I Converted *EIGHT* People to Clark Tonight

[DoveTurnedHawk]

Went to my friend's Halloween party (my costume was a member of the Crazy 88), and got into several political discussions with friends, acquaintances and strangers. As I live in Los Angeles, most of these people were Democrats to begin with, but none of them have been paying much attention. About half knew who Clark was, the other half didn't.

To make a long story short, after extolling the virtues of the General, I converted eight people into Clark supporters, mostly by just telling his biography and emphasizing his electability, but also by conveying my passion for his candidacy. All of them were jazzed about Clark, and three of them are attending fundraisers or other Clark events tomorrow with me.

Just a minor morale booster for Clark supporters. :-)

DTH

[La_Serpiente]

1. congratulations

I don't care really whether they are clark supporters or not. At least they have a Democrat in mind.

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[HFishbine]

11. Ha!

Good one Cheswick, and with so few keystrokes!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. Hank.... I'm disappointed In You.....

One poster expresses affection for a candidate....

The next poster shits all over the candidate....

The poster after that makes a nice little pun to applaud the previous poster and shits all over the candidate too...

Then the third poster applauds the second poster......

Bad as the folks on the e-v-i-l board....

[La_Serpiente]

4. What are you talking about?

I think Clark is sexy and all. He has the built of a swimmer.

And the only types that he would piss off in the Pentagon are the ones like Boykin.

If he doesn't get the nomination, I hope he becomes the secretary of defense. He could piss off all those Boykin types and change the entire military structure.

[Clark Can WIN]

31. He has the build of a swimmer because

He does a lot of swimming. And he is FINE.............

[Carolina]

35. swimming was part of

his rehabilitation from war wounds.

[wyldwolf]

9. Show us proof of that he "stabbed people in the back in the Pentagon"

I know proof is a novel idea to people like you, but humor the more intelligent people here, ok?

[JNelson6563]

10. frankly, I'm not so sure

stabbing people in the back at the Pentagon would necessarily be a *bad* thing. We all know there are some there who deserve that and worse.....

Though Clark strikes me more as a full-frontal-attack sort of guy, so you know where the "love" is comin' from. ;-) I like it.

Julie

[calimary]

29. Nobody's stabbed people in the back at the Pentagon like RUMMY.

Glad there are new converts. Even though I'm a Deanie, I'm glad to see alignments come together. Part of our problem is OUR OWN - too apathetic and uninvolved and disaffected to give a damn anymore. THAT has to stop. We NEED people fired up. And if they're fired up about Wesley Clark, that's more than alright by me. I'm kinda fired up about him, myself. And if Dean doesn't go the distance and Clark does, I am FULLY prepared to work my tail off to get him elected. I'd find myself giving begrudging support to others who might prevail over Dean, but for Clark, I'd be enthusiastic.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. Don't waste your keystrokes....

Karl Rove must pay him by the post....

[xultar]

14. Thanks for the Intelligent thoughtful Discourse

I see you are well on your way to higher Political commentary.

[SaintLouisBlues]

5. DTH, you may be leading the league in Clark conversions.

Keep it up.

I've found it very easy to at least get people to give Clark
a day in court. The usual suspects at DU seem to be the only
ones lock-brained against the General. These bashers give
liberalism a bad name. How are they different from the knee-jerk
repukes that insist W is doing a good job in the wake of
overwhelming evidence to the contrary?

I was able to convert a life-long republican to Clark because of the Chimp's AWOL/deserter status. The convert wouldn't believe me at first,
until I offered to bet him $10,000. Knowing how cheap I am, he
looked into the allegations and was flabbergasted. I told him
that as long as him and his ilk insist on being war-wongers,
they may as well put someone in charge that knows what they're
doing (not that I think Clark a war-monger, just trying to
to relate to the neanderthals).

[Eloriel]

21. Yeah, what locked my brain against the General

were all of the skeletons in his footlocker. Ewwwwwww.

Clinton's getting him into the race didn't help. But the Jacson Stephens connection was the last straw for me.

And oh yeah, the praise of George W. Bush, and his inability to decide if he was even a Democrat.

Eloriel

[Carolina]

36. what's wrong with Clinton getting him in the race

Bill and Hil were and are winners. And we damn sure need a winner against Bush NOW!

[joanski01]

6. Good going, Dove.

I love your enthusiasm!

[JNelson6563]

7. Congratulations

Me thinks they could use your help here. Got word regarding my Dem Party mailing a lady wants to join and is a Clark supporter. I sent her an e-mail, she told me she was going to meeting to find out about upcoming meet-up. I told her let me know right away and I'd pass on info to my Progressive Women's Forum the following day. Never heard back. Signed up myself at web site, got plea yesterday, still not even 5 have joined for meet-up--want me to sign up friends.

If Clark is going to do anything in northern Mich. they need to get moving. Maybe you should come and help 'em out. :-)

Julie

[Kahuna]

15. Don't know about Northern MI. But Clark will do

just fine in MI. No need for you to fret.

[JNelson6563]

16. no fretting here

but they better get busy

[FrenchieCat]

8. Just keep working it, DHT....

It's all good.

Clark is the Man...and will be the MAIN Man soon!

I am doing the same.:toast:

[DemExpat]

12. Good going, DTH!

It seems like everyone I talk to about the upcoming Dem in the election is very interested in Clark - perhaps the overseas Dems are even more impressed with his international experience.

:hi:

DemEx

[0rganism]

13. How would Clark do with the military vote, in your opinion?

Traditionally, it's been a conservative GOP stronghold.

With ol' AWOL sending them off to occupy Iraq and Afghanistan for no good reason, I would think some of that support would weaken.

Can you guesstimate a further percentage of military vote that running Clark vs. Caligula would yield? Would it make a huge difference if Clark was in the VP spot?

[Clark Can WIN]

43. Clark was winning an armytimes.com poll until it got

FREEPED. :puke:

[MessiahRp]

19. Too bad...

Too bad your friends just waffled on their candidate like Clark has waffled on his positions and political affiliations...

Vote Kerry. :)

Rp

[Rowdyboy]

20. DHT

:yourock:

I can't help it-we share a common passion-GETTING OUR COUNTRY BACK


Keep fighting the good fight and inspiring the rest of us.

[Clark Can WIN]

22. What a great way to capitalize on an opportunity

You rock:yourock:

[Code_Name_D]

23. I "coverted" eight people?

Yet another example of the true nature, of the Clark campain.

[Zomby Woof]

28. how so?

I favor other candidates myself, but in absolute fairness to EVERYONE, and ALL candidates, are we not all hoping to persuade others why our chosen candidate is the best for the job? If you have a captive audience, they have two choices: Listen to you, or blow you off. For all of us stumping for a candidate, active in campaigns and whatnot, we hope to persuade and inform for those who choose to listen.

Your comment seems a superfluous slam based on your distaste for Clark and his supporters. Fact is, ALL eager supporters of their candidates do what DTH did, to great effect. There is nothing sinister or unique about it. Democracy requires the free exchange of ideas and opinions.

Would you not do the same for your candidate?

[Code_Name_D]

30. Christian fundamentalists seek "converts" too.

I am only amused by DTH's choice of words. Find his choice of words, and his tone, to be all too similar to that of Fundamentalist preaching. Is it DTH's intention to show that Clark's campaign is the best in the field? Or is it his intention to string along unsuspecting persons by telling only half the story.

Rest assured, DTH will not inform these new "converts" about Clark's history with the Kosivo conflict, or his dealings within the Republican party. Or that Clark had approached Bush to run on his ticket, in Chenny's place, and was rebuffed. He would in fact shout them down in the same manner as other DU posters have been shouted down in the past for raising the same issue. With such a half truth, one can never earn another's trust, but you can seek a "convert," and poison the doubts, even before they are aware of them.

So I say this again. Clark's greatest liability, are his own supporters. There is a difrevence between winning support, and manipulation.

[The Magistrate]

39. The 'Kossovo Issue', Fellow

Is simply the height of foolishness. It will move damned few even in the Democratic Party, and they mostly idealists ignorant of the facts, and of the usages of war.

It will certainly not be used by the opposition in a general election; even Rove lacks the impudence to accuse U.S. forces of war crimes, and the can of worms it would open up, about present conduct, and about Republican anti-patriotism during that conflict, would be to great. The Kossovo war succeeded, after all, by all popular measures: the current invasion of Iraq has not. The contrast is damning to the present miscreants.

[Code_Name_D]

41. So you keep saying.

Still haven't seen any facts to back you up though.

[The Magistrate]

42. That It Will Have Scant Effect, Fellow

Will be demonstrated over time to come.

That no crime was committed is amply demonstrated; indeed, is well known to anyone who followed events in that period, and subsequently.

It is a common delusion among some on the left that the powers of the earth assembled in Geneva after World War Two and outlawed the ordinary practice of warfare, without quite noticing they had done so. They did no such thing.

[Code_Name_D]

46. Some one should tell Clark then.

As his own book discribed what he felt was a need to bomb cavilan, non-military targets. And has also come out in favor of premeptive warfare, as discribed in the Bush doctren.

Sorry bub. Your are victoriues, only in your own mind. And you have already demonstrated a gross biase of your own, as I know very well that you have been troused numers of times by Tinore and Stickgod, and yet you still have delusions of waging a convicng argument. Especualy as your apporch is founded on attacking the mesinger.

[The Magistrate]

48. My 'apporch', Fellow?

What you describe as "cavilan" targets are standard "dual-use" facilities, which have great military utility, the destruction of which will also have impact on civilians. The legal test here is a balancing of direct military gain against harm done, using a "reasonable man" standard common in legal matters. There were also some demolitions performed against private properties of various governmental figures, from which these derived great personal profit. This is a legitimate means of bringing pressure on such leadership.

Two attempts were made to bring "war crimes" charges against NATO to court. The European court refused to act, citing jusrisdictional grounds, but it is fair to assume had they seen real grounds to the charges they would have taken the case. The U.N. tribunal at The Hague investigated, and did not afterwards prefer any charges. That is the state of the matter as a legal question. You may wish it otherwise, but doubtless there is a great deal you wish were more congenial to you in this life, and you get no more good by that, either.

You will have to be more specific about your charge of "gross biase" on my part, fellow. The question has been the object of some small study on my part, and on the basis of that study of the region from the Roman to the present days, some conclusions have been drawn.

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[The Magistrate]

54. You Know, Fellow

Calling me a Rove operative is not going to carry much weight for your view in this matter, or, in fact, do anything but demonstrate immaturity, and inability to conduct reasonable discourse.

[Pastiche423]

45. clark's name is already tainted

as a war criminal by many progressives. You may deny it all you care to, but it is there for all to see.

Btw, is a war considered only "successful" to you if no USians are killed?

[The Magistrate]

49. A Very Small Number, Sir

Most of whom have discarded the electoral process in any case, in favor of various splinter-group alternatives. If such wish to conduct themselves in a manner that will assist a victory of the most reactionary elements of our polity, they cannot be prevented from doing so, but ought to be aware of the consequences to others of their moral purity.

[_NorCal_D_]

34. So

maybe converted isn't the best choice of words. Nevertheless, isn't it better that 8 people would favor Clark over Bush?

[Code_Name_D]

47. Only if there was a difrence between the two.

Clark looks more like Bush every day. You do know Clark plans on contiuing Bush's illigel war, don't you? I have to wonder if the converted do?

[IndianaGreen]

24. That's eight more people we have to deprogram!

Sorry DTH, I couldn't resist!

:)

[Zomby Woof]

25. face-to-face exchanges are the most effective

Or at a Halloween party, mask-to-mask. People often ask what they can do to better promote their candidate, thinking on large scale terms like phone banks, door-to-door, letters, or hitting the streets. Those are all great ways to get the word out, but nothing beats small-scale methods like personal conversations as the means to promote the candidate, field Q&A, overcome objections, clear up misconceptions, and educate about peripherally important issues, like the Iraq occupation.

DTH's example is textbook in effectiveness, people. I use it myself, and whomever your candidate is, I urge you to do likewise.

[salin]

32. Agreed... and I hope that DTH hones these fine skills for November

to convert this talent - towards those who are nonvoters (or independents who might be tempted to vote for W). It is on the ground that we will need to wage our efforts in November 2004!

And then come give us pointers - we will all need to be converting 8+ voters at a pop (be it for Clark - or for another dem/nominee) next year!

[Darranar]

26. I suppose you didn't...

tell them about how Clark voted for Reagan twice, complimented Bush and his vile cabal, and was not until recently registered as a Democrat?

Seriously, as long as they're ABB I don't care much. They can support Clark or Lieberman or Dean, but as long as they'll vote against Bush they have my respect.

[Sideways]

27. DTH You Are WAAAAY Past The 700 Club So Converted Just Sounds Lame

Are you sure you didn't go to the party as Pat Robertson?

[neverforget]

33. There are some people on this board who just HATE the fact

that people are out there drumming up support for a candidate that is not their own. I would suggest instead of sitting here making belittling comments that you go out and do the same thing for your candidate. It's certainly more productive......

[Pastiche423]

37. Yes, it is more productive

to go out and work for your candidate. That's why, right now, Dean is number one in my state!

The Dem activists in Oregon are workin it for DEAN!

[retyred]

38. Eight More?

Retyred In Fla
So I Read This Book

[javadu]

40. Great to Hear This News

I am taking 2 people to a Clark meetup on Monday. I think Clark is getting his momentum back!!!!

[Clark Can WIN]

44. Right! We had the comeback kid......................

Now it's time for the MAN!

[RandomUser]

51. Good Job, DTH

You're on a roll, and I don't mean the sandwich kind. :)

[Myra]

52. Kick ass DTH!

We'll need at least twice as many votes as
the GOP to compensate for all their vote fraud.
Let's keep converting...

[DoveTurnedHawk]

53. Five More Clark Supporters Today

It was a Clark-filled day, with a fundraiser, a town hall meeting and an unrelated birthday party for some friends. I brought five more folks into the movement, and they're all pretty jazzed. Two of them are Republicans, who donated $300 and $250 to Clark today.

A more detailed report will likely follow tomorrow.

As an aside, I love how negative certain people sound, as it discredits them pretty thoroughly; nothing infuriates the haters like a good, positive thread on Clark.

Special thanks to ZW. We've clashed before, but I appreciate your fair-minded comments here.

:thumbsup:

DTH