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sventvkg Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 03:12 PM
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Please help me!! I'm so disenfranchised..Where do I stand politically?
Edited on Sat Nov-01-03 03:30 PM by sventvkg
I'm sick of Dems crying about stuff but not Fighting the Right Wing to try to do something about it. The reason the right has total control beyond the disinformation campagn of the past 30 years and the money, is because the WEAK WEAK Dems let them have the control by not preventing it..That is the flat out truth of it..Look at the post office post about privatization..Obvoiusly it is very very distrubing and SAD..Do the Dems do anything to prevent it? Hell no...Most of them probably voted in favor of the cuts and privatization just like the did for the patriot act, the Illegal Iraq War, the 87 billion they are giving halliburton, and other Bush Friends in Iraq, and just about everything elese they side with the Repugs on..

Case in Point, Just look at the last election when the supreme court appointed the president and meddled in a FL state Supreme court issue in which they had no constitutional authority to do...This country is a Mess, and the Dems are a Fraud of a party...Just as bad as the right wing..Maybe even worse because they go on and on about protecting the working people but do little about it and for the most part, actually help the Right to achieve their agenda...Please feel free to dispute this and prove me wrong...Also, I used to be an optimist in terms of politics but I have been beaten down by the stark reality of the state of our country and feel nothing but sorrow and RAGE of late...I'm mean shiny happy optimism for next year, and how we can turn it around and beat Bush..yada yada yada..It's all hot air...HE SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO TAKE OFFICE IN THE FIRST PLACE....That is the fundamental failure of the Left in BLATENT View...

I can not and WILL NOT support ANY current candidate who goes against the moral correct and right thing to do, just to play the political game any longer...I certainly WILL NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER support ANY of the current Washington Insider Candidates in ANY venture politically or personally again..I'm just fed fed fed up and quite certainly so should the rest of you be..Enough of this beating around the bush, skirting the issues for personal political gain and enough of letting the right get away with their blatent elitist Agenda!!! ENOUGH of NOT calling them on their lies right away and right to their faces..What do these Dems have to fear by calling them out???? Maybe they have to fear the Right calling them out on their own hipocracy??

I'm so disenfranchised that i don't know what to do or where I stand politically..I have never thought of myself as anywhere near and extreme leftist..I'm Anti-communist and don't believe in a totally bloted social welfare system, but do believe in a Fair welfare system designed to help people when they are down and get them back up on their feet. I believe in investing in ourselves and strong education, alternative and renewable energy but not at the cost of driving whatever size truck I want..Why can't a Hummer run on Hydrogen?..I believe in weening ourselves off the fossile fuel economy, I believe in cooperation with an international community, do not believe in the unilateral approach this country has embraced for the better part of the last 1/2 century..Do not believe in paranoid anti-free speach laws or laws the restrict personal freedom at the cost of "protecting me" I'll protect myself just fine..Believe in free speech, a womans right to choose, a strong all inclusive, Universal Health Care system for every American..In fact, I believe as a nation our number one focus should be to make sure the lives of our people and our interest socioeconomically come first and formost. We should all have decent jobs, a right to education, health care. However I'm against strict Gun laws as far as personal ownership, but I am for Limiting purchases on Assault Weapons so no one person can own an armoury. I'm for strict Goverment regulation of ALL private industry and Government enforcement against corporate price gauging..The opposite of what we have now and have had..I'm against ALL soft money political donating and feel every candiate should have a set amount they can work with and can not get ANY money from special interst groups..Only small donations from individuals and a set amount by the Federal goverment that is Equal for all candidates. Political Candidates should all have a level playing field to present their view to the people and may the best person win. Like NASCAR where all the Cars can only have so much horsepower as to keep it all on a level playing field...This needs to be done politically.

As far as Taxes go, I believe that the Rich should pay more because they make more. Taxes should be proportional to the amount you earn...However I do not believe the Government has a right to 40 or 50% of ANYONES Money...I believe in the Legalization of Marijuana as it pretty harmless and that Alcohol is much much worse for you. I believe you have a right to smoke cigaretts and pretty much do anything you want short of endanging anyone else as long as you are on your own land or in your own home..However, i Believe ALL smoking..Cigars, Cigarettes, Pot, Pipe, Clove, should be BANNED in ALL pulbic places..I don't feel I should haev to be subjected to the 2nd hand smoke but you should have a place that is designated and closed off so you can go smoke to your hearts content. Foreign policy wise, i believe that we need to have a strong defense and act Militarily if directly threatened, but this precident with a preemptively striking another county has to be cut off..That is Flat out wrong, imperialistic anti Jeffersonian Democracy..Anti-American and should not be stood for.

I believe ALL elected Politicians should have term limits..I do not care how great a states man someone may be. They should have their set amount of time to SERVE our country and then if they are further needed or desired they can be an appointed official in an administration but are through with being elected. That could help to solve alot of problems with career politicians ending up looking out for their own careers. I believe when they are in office they should be paid well for their service and should recieve all the perks they need to get the job done for the American people. I do not believe they should be allowed to accept ANY donations, gifts, money, or favors from ANY special interest group..Should ALL be illegal punishable by impeachment and imprisonment. Even down to gifts to trusts, family or corporations that the elected offical is tied to.

Anyway, I'm sorry for the Rant but i'm really in trouble politically speaking and I dont' know where I stand as I basically hate them all right now and feel the entire system is broken. Why is our form of Democracy the "Best"? What about it makes it better and fairer then a parlimentary system like the UK? Why do their seem to be more of that system of Democracy and less of our type of Government? What other countries have a Democratic Government set up like The United States?...Can anyone tell me where I stand politically? What would you classify me if you had to put a label on my views? Help...
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 03:14 PM
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1. I began reading but your post is difficult to read
Edited on Sat Nov-01-03 03:19 PM by nothingshocksmeanymo
Can you perhaps cut it into paragraphs?

It is important to realize, however, that this was a 30 year WAR waged on our society, culture, legal system and language.

Here is a post from old DU on the issue:

Be Realistic...This is how THEY did it!
LAST EDITED ON Nov-09-02 AT 02:06 PM (ET)
I realize very few will click on all the links because it's too much work. But maybe you should all watch the movie HOOSIERS...winning is a team effort! Winning is LABOR intense! Winning is commitment. Winning is scoring not watching the scoreboard.

Think tanks are HOW they have waged a culture war that took over the public conversation. Tax exempt money to organizations cloaked as charity.


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Philanthropic Institutions and Networks
National Think Tanks
and Advocacy Groups
From a report by NCRP

No set of institutions has done more to set the national policy agenda than some of the heavily-funded think tanks and advocacy groups listed here. All are focused on national budget and policy priorities and are especially well funded. Over the 1992-1994 period, the foundations profiled in this report poured close to $80 million into these organizations, $64 million of which was invested in multi-issue policy institutions with a major focus on shaping national domestic policy and $15.2 million of which was granted to policy research and advocacy organizations focused on national security and foreign policy issues. Much of this grant money was concentrated in just a handful of institutions.

http://www.mediatransparency.org/national_think_tanks.htm

SEARCH | ISSUES | MOVEMENT | RESOURCES | ABOUT | CONTACT US | HELP USWashington Post
Oct 3, 2002

Robertson Charity Wins 'Faith-Based' Grant

Today, Operation Blessing International, a Virginia Beach charity created by Robertson, is to get $500,000 in the first wave of grants to be distributed under the faith-based initiative, which gives federal money to religious organizations that provide social services...


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Washington Post
Sep. 15, 2002

GOP Using Faith Initiative to Woo Voters
Office's Officials Have Appeared With Republican Candidates in Tight Races

Republicans are using the prospect of federal grants from the Bush administration's "faith- based initiative" to boost support for GOP candidates, especially among black voters in states and districts with tight congressional races this fall.

http://www.mediatransparency.org/faithbased_watch.htm


SEARCH | ISSUES | MOVEMENT | RESOURCES | ABOUT | CONTACT US | HELP USConsortiumnews.com
Robert Parry
May 6, 2002

David Brock & the Watergate Legacy

David Brock’s tell-all Blinded by the Right parallels another account by a young man who came to Washington and found a home in Republican circles. That confessional book was Blind Ambition by Richard Nixon’s White House counsel John Dean, who described how his drive to succeed led him to join the crimes of Watergate.

http://www.mediatransparency.org/arkansas_project.htm

Antitrust Law & Economics Review:

JUDICIAL SEMINARS:
ECONOMICS, ACADEMIA, AND CORPORATE MONEY IN AMERICA

(good description of the ethical problems for judges in re the Law & Economics movement)


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June 30, 2000
Washington Post
Judges' Free Trips Go Unreported

Federal judges took more than a dozen expense-paid trips to seminars put on by conservative groups but failed to disclose the resort trips on their annual financial reports, as required by federal ethics laws.


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Search the database for grants that have the word "judge" in them -- efforts by the right to "educate" state & federal judges.
Law & Economics

Law & Economics is a movement funded and led by the conservative philanthropies described in this report.


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$30 million to "Law and Economics" | $25 million to the U of Chicago | $3.5 million to "educate" state and federal judges
American Prospect, Feb 2001
The Chicago Acid Bath
The Impoverished Logic of "Law and Economics"

Read about the cruel, market-serving, people-denying legal theory called “Law & Economics,” funded by the conservative philanthropies, that is helping to transform American law by elevating the idea of “wealth-maximization” to the goal of the law.

Read the report. | TripsForJudges.org documents the "education" of federal and state judges with an interactive, searchable database of judge's trips.


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Academic Sector Organizations & Programs

Law & Economics funding

From a report by NCRP

Much of the grant money going to top academic institutions supported the establishment
http://www.mediatransparency.org/law_and_economics.htm


Goal of school choice movement is to break up unions
BY ROB LEVINE
Guest Columnist

In "With school choice, every child can win" (March 1), the Heritage Foundation's Jennifer Garrett fails to mention that the real goals of the school choice movement are the breakup of one of the last two unionized sectors of U.S. society: public primary and secondary education, and the conversion to private profit of some of the $300 billion spent in the U.S. each year on public primary and secondary education.

She also fails to mention that most of the school choice movement is led and funded by a small group of wealthy conservative philanthropies. In short, Garrett paints a misleading and partisan picture both of the school choice movement and the "evidence" purporting to show that choice students do better academically.

The orchestrator and prime funder of this movement has been the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation of Milwaukee. The Bradley Foundation makes annual grants of more than $40 million, and is obsessed with school choice and school vouchers.

It's no coincidence the largest voucher "experiment" in the nation is taking place in Bradley's hometown. In fact, the Bradley Foundation and its philanthropic brethren paid for almost every source that positively referenced school choice in Garrett's column.

Her institution, the Heritage Foundation, is the No. 1 recipient of conservative philanthropy money, having received at least $39 million since 1985 — $12 million from the Bradley Foundation alone. Howard Fuller, referenced in Garrett's article as being from the "Black Alliance for Education Options" (BAEO), is also head of the Institute for the Transformation of Learning at Marquette University – BAEO's parent organization, which has received more than $1 million from the Bradley Foundation
http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/news/opinion/3117372.htm

SEARCH | ISSUES | MOVEMENT | RESOURCES | ABOUT | CONTACT US | HELP US$7.4 million to the Federalist Society
$39 million to the Heritage Foundation

Village Voice
James Ridgeway
June 19, 2002

A Small Cartel of Conservative Lawyers Rewrites the American Rule

Court Jousters


Behind the Bush Administration's attack on civil rights in the name of war lurks the network of attorneys crafting laws for a new America.

Their hodgepodge of rules and statutes either now or soon will remake the nation, providing local police with sweeping federal authority, pushing the military and CIA directly
http://www.mediatransparency.org/court_watch.htm

Fear of All Sums
By PAUL KRUGMAN


t is difficult to get a man to understand something," wrote Upton Sinclair, "when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." To make sense of what passes for debate over Social Security reform, one must realize that advocates of privatization — of replacing the current system, at least in part, with a system of personal accounts — are determined not to understand basic arithmetic. Otherwise they would have to admit that such accounts would weaken, not strengthen, the system's finances.

Social Security as we know it is a system in which each generation's payroll taxes are mainly used to support the previous generation's retirement. If contributions from younger workers go into personal accounts instead, the problem should be obvious: who will pay benefits to today's retirees and older workers? It's just arithmetic: 2-1=1. So privatization creates a financial hole that must be filled by slashing benefits, providing large financial transfers from the rest of the government or both.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/21/opinion/21KRUG.html


CONSERVATIVE FOUNDATIONS PREVAIL IN SHAPING PUBLIC POLICIES
New Report Documents Public Policy Impact of 12 Core Foundations

Washington, D.C. -- With limited resources but a strong political vision, conservative foundations are playing a major role in shaping public policy priorities according to a new study by the National Committee for Responsive Philanthropy (NCRP) titled Moving a Public Policy Agenda: the Strategic Philanthropy of Conservative Foundations.

From 1992 to 1994, twelve conservative foundations studied by NCRP -- including the Bradley, Scaife and Olin foundations -- controlled assets of $1.1 billion and awarded $300 million in grants. While the size of their grantmaking programs may pale in comparison to some of the nation's largest foundations, conservative funders have unmatched success in advocating for their right-wing political agenda. NCRP found several factors contributing to this success:

First, they departed from grantmaking norms in the philanthropic sector by funding extremely aggressive and ideological institutions routinely committed to influencing budget and policy priorities. Two-thirds of their grant dollars -- $210 million out of $300 million total -- went to organizations and programs pursuing policy agendas based on the privatization of government services, deep reductions in federal anti-poverty spending, industrial deregulation, and the transfer of responsibility for social welfare to state and local government and the charitable sector.

Second, at a time when foundation and corporate leaders are increasingly committing their resources locally, the conservative foundations maintained an unusually strong focus on national public policy institutions. These investments have exacerbated resource disparities between multi-issue public policy institutions on the left and right sides of the political spectrum. The top five conservative multi-issue public policy groups in the NCRP study including Heritage Foundation, Cato Institute and Citizens for a Sound Economy operated on $77 million in combined revenues in 1995 compared to $18.6 million of their eight political equivalents on the left.

Third, the conservative foundations demonstrated a preference for the marketing of ideas in their grantmaking. The majority of grantees in NCRP's study have developed sophisticated and effective media outreach strategies. For example, the fifth largest grantee in the study, Citizens for a Sound Economy, produced more than 130 policy papers, conducted 50 different advertising campaigns, appeared on 175 radio and television news shows, placed 235 op-ed articles, and received coverage in more than 4,000 news articles in 1995 alone. CSE's marketing and media efforts are the norm rather than exception among the conservative grantees. In the absence of similar efforts by liberal organizations and funders, communications campaigns like these have contributed to the current climate where right- wing ideas, sometimes based on inaccurate information, go unchallenged.

http://www.ncrp.org/reports/moving.htm


So what do we do...we spend our time talking BLUE STATES VERSUS RED states, munching on conspiracies and ruminating over Clinton's sex stories, Ann Coulter and never rally confonting the TRUTH! If people on this board spent one tenth of the time they spend bitching using it rather to understand the THIRTY YEAR MOVEMENT that took place, we'd be in year two of our OWN THIRTY year movement. Education, PATIENCE ( this isn't the lottery) oraganization and following THEIR map is the key. No one addresses the USEFUL ways to overcome this movement better than Arianna Huffington who has been inside the belly of the beast! Go to her site and get HER BOOK.
http://www.ariannaonline.com



http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=17043&forum=DCForumID60&archive=


And a MORE RECENT article on HOW to COMBAT this issue:

Framing the issues: UC Berkeley professor George Lakoff tells how conservatives use language to dominate politics

By Bonnie Azab Powell, NewsCenter | 27 October 2003

BERKELEY – With Republicans controlling the Senate, the House, and the White House and enjoying a large margin of victory for California Governor-elect Arnold Schwarzenegger, it's clear that the Democratic Party is in crisis. George Lakoff, a UC Berkeley professor of linguistics and cognitive science, thinks he knows why. Conservatives have spent decades defining their ideas, carefully choosing the language with which to present them, and building an infrastructure to communicate them, says Lakoff.

The work has paid off: by dictating the terms of national debate, conservatives have put progressives firmly on the defensive.

In 2000 Lakoff and seven other faculty members from Berkeley and UC Davis joined together to found the Rockridge Institute, one of the only progressive think tanks in existence in the U.S. The institute offers its expertise and research on a nonpartisan basis to help progressives understand how best to get their messages across. The Richard & Rhoda Goldman Distinguished Professor in the College of Letters & Science, Lakoff is the author of "Moral Politics: How Liberals and Conservatives Think," first published in 1997 and reissued in 2002, as well as several other books on how language affects our lives. He is taking a sabbatical this year to write three books — none about politics — and to work on several Rockridge Institute research projects.

In a long conversation over coffee at the Free Speech Movement Café, he told the NewsCenter's Bonnie Azab Powell why the Democrats "just don't get it," why Schwarzenegger won the recall election, and why conservatives will continue to define the issues up for debate for the foreseeable future.

http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/10/27_lakoff.shtml

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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 03:22 PM
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2. I've noticed that you're a fairly new person to DU
You're going to fit in just fine.

Also,

Welcome to Democratic Underground.
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IranianDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 03:23 PM
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3. Have you ever heard of paragraph break?
Edited on Sat Nov-01-03 03:47 PM by IranianDemocrat
EDIT: sorry a little tense today.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 03:26 PM
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5. Now be nice!
:7
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 03:27 PM
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6. Have you ever heard of manners?
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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 03:27 PM
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7. Hey, be nice
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 03:31 PM
Response to Reply #3
12. Aw, c'mon. Go a little more gently, please. We have rightwing pigdogs
who can take care of this shit MUCH more rapaciously, anyway. We don't need to be doing this ourselves.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 09:44 PM
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35. One look at bush smiling and it'd make anybody tense!
I think we all are. Certainly been a f---ed week here in So Cal, speaking of tension. We've all been on edge out here. Must be karma coming around after Schwarzengroper.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 03:23 PM
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4. Welcome
But may I suggest dome paragraph breaks?
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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #4
8. That sounds
more appropriate
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sventvkg Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 03:31 PM
Response to Reply #8
11. sorry reformatted into paragraphs....Was in Rant mode. :)
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #11
13. Thanks. My response still stands and don't let a handful
of rude asses form your opinion of DU'ers.
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 03:30 PM
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9. Wanna drag?
"I believe in investing in ourselves and strong education, alternative and renewable energy but not at the cost of driving whatever size truck I want..Why can't a Hummer run on Hydrogen?."

I've decided on a Dump Truck for my next car. That oughta do it.

Kanary
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Character Assassin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 03:31 PM
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10. You're confused. Tell about your childhood
And before you ask questions like "Why can't a Hummer run on hydrogen", study up just a wee bit on the topic.
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sventvkg Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 03:40 PM
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15. Hardly Confused and well read on the subject of Alternative Energy
Thank you! The question was Rhetorical Anyway. If we cared to develop clean energy technology then the size of an Automobile will really have no bearing on pollution..I live in Alaska where mostly everyone has a big 4 wheel drive because they need them and want them. I want to live in a country where I can drive whatever vehicle i want and Need but not at the expense of wrecking the Globe! Plus I need room to haul gear so I drive a Truck and use it as the utility vehicle it is designed to be. Why does it have to pollute more then anything else? The answer is it doesn't HAVE to!
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Character Assassin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 03:46 PM
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18. Caring is nice, but doesn't equate to science
The question was Rhetorical Anyway. If we cared to develop clean energy technology then the size of an Automobile will really have no bearing on pollution..

Saying that is one thing. Squaring it with the limitations of hydrogen production and utilization is quite another.

I live in Alaska where mostly everyone has a big 4 wheel drive because they need them and want them.


Bully for you.

I want to live in a country where I can drive whatever vehicle i want and Need but not at the expense of wrecking the Globe!


Bolivia?

Plus I need room to haul gear so I drive a Truck and use it as the utility vehicle it is designed to be.


Yes, I understand, but I happen to believe that if someone can afford it, they can buy an SUV and use it any damn way they please.

Why does it have to pollute more then anything else? The answer is it doesn't HAVE to!


Sure it does, until something better comes along, and there's nothing of real substance on the horizon at this point. Certainly not hydrogen.
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 03:51 PM
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19. until something better comes along.
Edited on Sat Nov-01-03 03:52 PM by ezmojason
Some new UPS truck use LNG here.

Many new state and city goverment auto fleets use LNG.


"they can buy an SUV and use it any damn way they please"

Does that include running over football fields of pink
easter bunnies or do you draw the line somewhere?

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Character Assassin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #19
20. I draw the line at you knocking off the bad acid
or at least keeping the dosage below 250 mics
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #20
24. How aptly...
named you are.

:nopity:
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 03:36 PM
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14. You sound like a pragmatic freedom loving american.
Which puts you on the far fringe of america politics.

There is a quiz here:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

It has some guesses where the current candidates stand.

You might take it and see where it puts you.

Your smoking stand would make you at home in CA where
smoking is very restricted.



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sventvkg Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 04:00 PM
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21. OK I took the Quiz..Thanks..
Here is where I stand on the chart..I'm in the Lower Left..Quite Libertarian and almost EXACTLY Diametricly opposed to GW Bush!! no wonder Why I hate him!

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.92
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 04:10 PM
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22. interesting.
Edited on Sat Nov-01-03 04:22 PM by ezmojason
By the way "Libertarian" is not the same as "libertarian" on that chart.

"Libertarian" is anti-athoritarian neo-liberalism on that chart.

Left libertarian is closest to the green party.

Unfortunatly voting for a third party is like voting
against what they stand for because of our voting system.

Kucinich is probably the closest to your views.

Most people here seem to come out in the -,- quad of that chart.

I got -2,-8 but support Dean because of pragmatism.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 09:22 PM
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34. Those scores confuse me...
They would put you probably to the Left of 75% of the DU'ers that have taken the test.

Yet your initial post would have hade me guessing:

Economic Left/Right: +3 or 4
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6 to 9

Hmm.
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 04:11 PM
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23. compass post
Could you please do me a favor? Since I'm relatively new and haven't been granted the keys to the "New Post" button, could you start a thread on this? I'd be interested to see where others are positioned in this "compass".

Thanks

Kanary
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 04:19 PM
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25. Sorry...
here is an recent post on the topic. If I posted a new one
lot of people would complain "not that again".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=566809
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 04:23 PM
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26. Thanks
Didn't know there was a thread there. (Still having some navigation probs.) Will now excuse myself and go read...

Kanary
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 03:40 PM
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16. This is unnecessary.
What you imagine your problem to be is one of not fitting into a particular category. So what? Why let labels define your politics? I don't. I take it issue by issue and don't care which label might apply to my views.

Vote for/support who you like and form your opinions based on facts. You stand right where you aren ot where anyone else defines where you should be. And if that's not good enough for anyone else that is their problem, not yours.

Julie
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 03:40 PM
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17. With millions of Kucinich supporters
Welcome to DU

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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 04:39 PM
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27. You defy classification...
... but you do have some strong opinions, don't you? :-)

I'm sick of Dems crying about stuff but not Fighting the Right Wing to try to do something about it.

Me too. How about we let our representatives know how we feel? Most of all, even if you're broke these days, you have time to give to people who are walking the walk in your community. We really don't have much input in what happens to us, but we do have a choice about how we respond to it.

Why is our form of Democracy the "Best"?

Biggest lie in the county. Our system may be best for us (although that's open to debate), but it isn't best for everyone in the world. We have a good Constitution, though I think it might need to be tweaked a little bit. I think the Electoral College is an anachronism, for instance. But our system is definitely NOT the best for the rest of the world's nations, and we'd best start to admit that. If we want the rest of the world to learn from us, we'd best start listening and learning from them as well.
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 05:09 PM
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28. I believe you may be a political caricature.
The bit about not supporting any candidates who aren't perfect is pretty foolish. If you are disenfranchised, that's why.
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dfgrbac Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 05:10 PM
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29. Your "rant" is understandable.
I only wish more Americans felt as strongly as you obviously do about the way things are going. This could generate a massive voter turnout and a revolution of sorts. You (we) just need a direction.

Someone mentioned Dennis Kucinich already. I too am a Kucinich supporter, and I believe with all my heart that Kucinich would address all those issues you mentioned if he became President.

I have only recently discovered this DU forum, as you may notice. But I have been a regular member of a site called E-The People and have been posting some heavy opinions there. I hope DU does not mind the reference to them.

I recently started a discussion of the healthcare issue and how thousands of doctors have recommended the single-payer government run system as the only reasonable alternative. I am disappointed that Howard Dean has not made this his objective also. But Dennis Kucinich understands this is the only way to go.

I also plan to post additional articles on Kucinich's ideas. The next will be on terrorism, war, and empire. Something most Americans still don't know (although you see the word expressed more and more lately) is that the USA has become an empire controlled by corporate interests (the military-industrial complex President Eisenhower warned us about). These big money interests lobby "our politicians" to get what they want. Unfortunatly, many Democrats as well as Republicans have sold out to these lobbyists, forgetting to pay attention to the needs of the general population. Thus, an outrageously huge war machine has been built while our civilian infrastructure has been allowed to collapse and our money is used to support the military. Dennis Kucinich is the only Presidential candidate talking about reversing this dangerous trend to war by spending our tax money where we really need it!

Considering the corruption in government we are experiencing, we, the people, need to empower ourselves to guide our government better. We can do that with the National Initiative for Democracy. When I can post main articles here at DU, I will discuss this Initiative in depth. But I encourage everyone to read up on it. We will lose our democracy (we may have already lost it) if we don't enact this initiative.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 06:40 PM
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30. Hi dfgrbac!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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election_2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 07:18 PM
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31. question for sventvkg .......
Where do you stand on the issue of same-sex marriage?
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sventvkg Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 09:15 PM
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33. I'm personally all for it since Marriage is a legal contract binding
2 people in love and it protects with the legal safegards in the event of a Death..I believe if 2 people can find love and want to be bound legally, that's a beautiful and probably rare thing on the earth and why is it anyone's right to deny that? If you happen to love man and you are a man, more power to ya! I all totally supportive of same sex marriage.
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 07:22 PM
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32. I know how you feel
I am an independent, liberal Democrat who voyed for Nader in 2000, and I absolutely can't stand the DLC and other such party organizations.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 09:47 PM
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36. a heartfelt explosion of consciousness
first of all, i liked your post ... it seemed like a heartfelt explosion of consciousness ...

i agree with many of your political views ... i'm also very fed up with the democratic party ... i've been a democrat my entire life but i'm seriously considering joining the Green party ... who the hell can get enthusiastic about a party that just had more than 75% of its senators vote to continue bush's madness in Iraq ... that is not a party I feel at home in ...

HOWEVER, there's a world of difference, at least to me, between joining the green party (check them out here ==> http://www.gpus.org/) and not recognizing the risks posed to our Constitution if bush were to win a second term ... i'm all for seeing the failures of democrats in the clearest possible way, and I would like to feel free to vote "my heart", but the 2004 election is way too critical for self-indulgence ... bush has rolled back 100 years of social progress ... and he's put the U.S. and the global community in real peril ... if you think things are bad now, imagine a situation where bush no longer had to worry about re-election (or should i just call it election)...

So, my friend, I think you are fundamentally a Green ...

I will tell you, that I disagree with you on 3 key themes you raised ... I don't like the "Washington insider" bashing ... not everyone in Washington is a bad guy ... I think that label grew out of Republican campaigns to gain control of the Congress back from the Democrats who had held it for so many years ...

I also don't like term limits ... I agree more with your call for campaign finance reform ... there are indeed problems with some Congressmen gaining too much power because they've been around for so long ... but I also have the greatest respect for Senator Byrd and a handful or two of others ... we should try to find better ways to ensure that the bad guys get weeded out ... but let's not throw the good guys out with the bath water ...

and finally, I don't like to see any limit put on "fair taxation" ... yes, 40 or 50% is a very high tax rate ... it's not that I would argue in favor of such high rates ... but I would be far more eager to see you make an argument that focusses on the disproportionate amount of power that big money is able to wield in this country ... if I couldn't find a mechanism to honor the idea of "one man one vote", I would strip the wealthiest citizens of their wealth until some sense of democratic equality could be achieved ... and all the "he earned it, he should be able to keep it" people can go f**K themselves ...

anyway, nice rant ... welcome to DU !!! ... take a look at the Green's website ... i'm still a dem ... for now ...
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