A neat quote by RFK(may or may not relate to the quote controversy)

[JohnKleeb]

With this stuff going on about the southerners and etc. Well I am officially netural in this but I agree with Howard Dean in that those poor working class white southerners should be voting democratic not republican. Their schools need to be fixed and they need good health care, hes right. I dont consider him a sympathizer of the confederacy and I highly dislike the rebel flag for everyones info. Now on to the quote Kenendy made and this can be made to perceive any way you want.



"What we need in the United States is not division; what we need in the United States is not hatred; what we need in the United States is not violence or lawlessness; but love and wisdom, and compassion toward one another, and a feeling of justice toward those who still suffer within our country, whether they be white or they be black ...
"Let us dedicate ourselves to what the Greeks wrote so many years ago: to tame the savageness of man and make gentle the life of this world."

[NewYorkerfromMass]

1. He simply didn't have to use stereotypes to make his point

if he had said "Reagan Democrats" or even "southern whites" then fine. But needlessly bringing up images of Pick-Ups plastered with the confederate flag is just needless unconstructive stereotyping.
There's no excuse for it.

[JohnKleeb]

3. I can kind of see what youre getting at

Wait on the Reagan democrats, I thought those were urban working class democrats in the north. Well I dont know pol sci well. Not all Southern Whites have that, and thats true. Now what do you think of what Bobby said, I think that applies to more than what he said then.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

12. Bobby was great.

That's the whole point- to bring us all together. Clinton certainly wanted to do it, and Gore had a pretty good populist thing going in 2000. I don't think Bobby ever said anything as crude as what Dean did but he was a much, much, smarter guy. If Dean wants to get elected he better elevate the level of the dialogue.
BTW: RFK was also a New Yorker from Mass. ;-)

[JohnKleeb]

14. heh(yeah true) on Bobby being a NYer from Mass lol

I am not talking about Dean the man and Kennedy the man. Unity is what it is all about true. Bobby also lived here in Northern Va when he was AG.

[Darranar]

13. I think the Reagan Democrats...

are going to Clark or Bush. Clark's one of them, after all.

[JohnKleeb]

15. I dunno really

[mandyky]

2. Amen JK and RFK

Oddly Dean's campaign reminds me of RFK's, and has for awhile now...

[JohnKleeb]

4. I try

RFK is one of my heroes, http://www.rfkmemorial.org/
great site

[Minstrel Boy]

7. I've been getting the same vibes,

which is making me worry for him.

[w13rd0]

5. Thank you JK...

...and I mean JohnKleeb, not John Kerry ;)

I think we could all stand seeing good things in each others candidates, since anyone of them could end up being the nominee...

[JohnKleeb]

6. lol heh

Just call me Kleeb or John, that applies to all, more easy for me. Why are those southern voters voting GOP one asks, I thinks the root lies in Nixon's southern stragety. Also I saw Dean bring up FDR in his response to this, good for him, I am glad to see my guy Kucinich isnt the only one bringing up him, FDR is a great example.

[Darranar]

8. Yes, they should be...

that doesn't mean that they should be allowed to keep symbols of racism on government buildings, though.

We can campaign for their votes without becoming the racist party again. Let's leave the racists to the republicans.

[JohnKleeb]

9. I dont know if Dean said they should be allowed to fly the flag

but I say this FUCK THE CONFEDERATE FLAG. I hate it. Yes I am a Virginian by birth and raise, but I do consider myself a yankee, and indeed my civil war relative was a yankee soldier. Lets campaign for their votes by offering them great hope I think.

[Darranar]

11. I agree...

they have power in this country, and we can't ignore them because "they're all a bunch of racists" or some such.

[Darranar]

10. Clarification...

the Democratic Party should not attack the South. We should not generalize about Southerners, or ignore their vote. We should campaign for them and represent their interests, when it comes to things like welfare and infrastructure and jobs and education. We SHOULDN'T, however, establish ourselves as the racist party for political gain. We should fight for civil rights every step of the way, regardless of how many Klansmen who might otherwise vote Dem we alienate.