Cheney praises Miller for his support of Bush*

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Cheney dispenses praise in visit to Cobb

By TOM BAXTER
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution


Nick Arroyo / AJC
Vice President Dick Cheney (left) speaks Friday at a luncheon fund-raiser in the Cobb Galleria Centre for freshman 11th District Congressman Phil Gingrey (R-Ga.)

Vice President Dick Cheney came to Cobb County on Friday to raise money for 11th District Rep. Phil Gingrey's re-election campaign and pay a compliment to the White House's favorite Democrat, Sen. Zell Miller.

At a luncheon for Gingrey, Cheney expressed his thanks to Miller, "a distinguished American," for his announcement this week that he intends to support President Bush over next year's eventual Democratic presidential nominee.

"I want all Georgians to know that President Bush and I are deeply honored by the support of Senator Miller, by so many fine citizens of this state, both Democrat and Republican," Cheney said.

Georgia's Republican senator, Saxby Chambliss, was at the fund-raiser, but Miller was not.

However, Miller, who has frequently sided with the GOP in some of the Senate's most partisan votes, pledged in announcing his endorsement Wednesday of Bush "to help him any way I can." - http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/cobb/1103/01cheney.html

[liberalmuse]

1. This is what it looks like...

when you sell your soul to the devil. Take note.

[Melsky]

2. Sickening

just sickening. When does he stop being a dem officially?

[Orangepeel]

3. Bush/Miller in 2004? n/t

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[RUMMYisFROSTED]

5. There is unequivocably no room in the Democratic Party for

Republicans. What's so hard to understand about that?

[frank allen]

8. "There is unequivocably no room in the Democratic Party for" Republicans

LOL! If voting with a Republican on certain issues (or even many issues) is the definition of being a Republican, then by YOUR definition, there Democratic Party (the party of Inclusion?) will soon be a very small Party indeed.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

11. Certain issues?

Who is to become President is hardly an issue that should receive bi-partisan support. I have no problem with Miller expressing his views. I do, however, have a problem with the fact that he represents himself as a Democrat while voting for policies that are diametrically opposed to the values espoused by the Party. I'm all for a "big tent" but I refuse to allow members of that "tent" to support policies that are for the sole benefit of 5% of the population. Just because 80% of the Republican base is too stupid to realize that they're not part of that 5%, isn't my problem. It's America's problem. Fuck Zell Miller and the "donkey" that he rode into town on!

[Q]

13. Actually...it has become a 'small party'...a minority...

...since more than a few Democrats have enabled the far right wing party of the corporations.

- Perhaps you don't understand the concept of the 'big tent'? It doesn't mean that you invite your enemies in...it means that you listen to all opinions of those supporting the Democratic party.

[xray s]

6. I want Miller to explain

How he can support the party that smeared max Cleland in the last election.

[Orangepeel]

7. his voting isn't the major problem

I don't like Zell Miller or the way he typically votes. However, he isn't my senator. Voting one's conscience and/or along the lines of what one's constituents want isn't a bad thing, even if it goes against the party.

Supporting the re-election of someone from another party over the nominee of your own party is disloyal and unethical. If he doesn't want to be a part of the Democratic party, let him get the hell out. If he wants to change it, let him work to change it. But, to publicly trash it for the sake of creating controversy to sell a book is not the act of an honorable man.

[frank allen]

9. Supporting the re-election of nominee of opposing party

Supporting the re-election of someone from another party over the nominee of your own party is disloyal and unethical. If he doesn't want to be a part of the Democratic party, let him get the hell out. If he wants to change it, let him work to change it. But, to publicly trash it for the sake of creating controversy to sell a book is not the act of an honorable man.

If Miller looks at the array of candidates of the Democrats and finds NO ONE worthy of his support -- like for obvious example, if he finds all of their expressed views on the Iraq war as being FAR too "leftist" for his tastes and beliefs -- why is it so "disloyal" to support the person from the OTHER Paarty who DOES represent YOUR considered opinion? And, why SHOULD he "get out" of the Democratic Party? Further, you have done more than accuse him of doing this to sell a book, you have also pronounced him "guilty." So much for a presumption of innocence?

[Q]

12. You're suggesting a 'one-party' state...

...where Democrats shouldn't be called 'disloyal' for supporting Republicans. If this is the case...why even HAVE poltical parties?

- Miller is being dishonest for using the Dem party to get elected...and then voting most of the time with the other side and supporting their candidate for president.

- I won't bother arguing this to a great extent with you...someone who is obviously thinks that it's okay to betray the party.

[Cornus]

14. If it is not obvious to you...

...why it is <so "disloyal" to support the person from the OTHER Paarty>, then I suspect that this is one of those cases where you *just don't get it*.

Would you also feel the same if a Repub senator came out and said that he would vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is and would NEVER vote for Bush? If one is not going to support the party that s/he belongs to, then just switch parties. Simple solution and IMHO, it's what Miller should do.

[Orangepeel]

15. what crazy questions!

Why is it disloyal to support the other party, which better represents your beliefs, without leaving the first party, which you publicly insult? That's disloyal by definition!

If he finds the beliefs and representatives of the Democratic party so distasteful, then he should leave it and become an independent or republican (like Jim Jeffords, who IS an honorable man).

Instead, he writes a book trashing the party and goes on television to sell it. And what's his reason for NOT leaving the party? Sheer laziness, apparently, based on his old house analogy on Meet the Press this morning. Greed is much more likely.

I'm not a juror in a court of law, so I don't know why you bring the presumption of innocence into this discussion. Zell Miller has proven himself to be a person without integrity, so I see no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt that maybe the timing of his controversal and publicity making comments and just released book is coincidental.

[lovedems]

10. When I saw him on "Meet the Press" this morning and he was

bashing the democratic presidential candidates, that is being a traitor to the democratic party. He is accusing the democrats of taking the party to far to the left yet endorses Bushco. who has taken his party so far to the (religious) right it is scary. Either way you look at it, he is a traitor and I hope the voters of Georgia smell a rat in their state and elect a dem to take his place.