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mumon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 12:06 PM
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Focus on the Family Hits me up for $$$ and my response:
I can't believe it- it's November already, and the usual gang of idiots at Focus on the Family are STILL sending out fund raising letters based on "Dr." Dobson's "performance" at the Roy Moore brouhaha.

Well, that dummy sent it to the wrong guy.

From Dobson's twisted interpretation of the constitution- ignoring long, long established precedent to his attacks on "liberals" and anyone else, this letter is an incredible diatribe of hatred against anyone who's not a fundamentalist Christian. (And BTW, Dobson, yeah, it's hate.)

That they spent all this money on a decision which is so obviously beyond the pale, constitutionally, looks to me that their only interest is moo-lah...and I'm going to say that in any forum I can.

Anyway, they say one way to take action is to organize a debate...
so here's my letter to 'em:

To Whom it May Concern:

I recently received your "fund rasing" letter which included "Dr." James Dobson's remarks in Alabama.

As a Buddhist who knows something of US history, I was amazed at the level of vitriol, and the lack of intellectual honesty Dr. Dobson presented in his remarks.

But what struck me most, of course, was the fund rasing letter itself. I quote from Glassroth v. Moore:

While not argued by the plaintiffs, the court is concerned that Chief Justice Moore's involvement with Coral Ridge Ministries, a Christian media outlet, violates the third, entanglement prong of the Lemon test. Aside from its being the only media outlet to record the night-time placement of themonument in the Alabama State Judicial Building, Coral Ridge has used theChief Justice's name and his installation of the Ten Commandments monument to raise funds for not only his defense but also its own evangelical purposes. For example, Coral Ridge uses a picture of the monument to raise money for the Chief Justice's legal defense and, at thesame time, to raise money for its own work....In a real sense, therefore, the installation of the monument can be viewed as a joint venture between the Chief Justice and Coral Ridge, as both parties have a direct interest in its continued presence in the rotunda. A crediblea rgument could be made that this type of entanglement is specifically the type of "evil against which {the} Clause protects ... 'sponsorship, financialsupport, and active involvement of the sovereign in religious activity.'"

So clearly, Focus on the Family is making the court's argument AGAIN: it is clear that you are milking this issue to raise money, with no disclsoure of where the money goes.

Anyway, at the end of your letter, you ask people to "get involved," and among the ways, you suggest organinzing a "debate" in your community.

OK. I'll bite. Let's have a debate on the Ten Commandments, the origins of American government, and religious freedom. Anywhere, anytime in cyberspace. I will be posting this in every forum I can- Christian, secular, and so forth.

If you are truly sincere, you'll put up a cyber-speaker, who will contact me to negotiate a venue, rules of engagement and so forth. If not, I will make sure that it is well known that you chickened out of this debate, the reason for which can only be that you really DON'T want your base constituency to have a fair, honest, and open discussion of this issue.

Got it?

Very truly yours,
xxxxxx

You can reply at this e-mail address, as well as xxxxx.

P.S. DO NOT spam these addresses. There is $500.00 deletion fee for spamming these addresses, which, you, FOTF, will have agreed to be paid by the very act of sending e-mail on ANY topic other than the above mentioned debate. Thank you in advance for your compliance.

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E_Zapata Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 12:18 PM
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1. Now that's a Visiting Editorial Submission
If I ever did see one!!!!!

Send 'er out!

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mumon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 01:53 PM
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5. FOTF is notorious for avoiding debates...
They tend not to reply to criticisms of their publications; and, of course, their print/electronic media NEVER have corrections, nor opposing points of view.

I remember there was a book a few years ago critical of Dobson, which made that point.

I just can't believe that these folks are so hard up for cash/greedy that they've got to resort to these tactics, but I think that, once and for all, it's time to gore this sacred cow...

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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 12:35 PM
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2. fav bumper sticker: "FOCUS ON ......
Edited on Sun Nov-02-03 01:22 PM by hlthe2b
YOUR OWN DAMNED FAMILY!!!!!"

I love seeing these in Colorado Springs. GO get them, Kanzeon!


(edited for a very silly typo)
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 12:44 PM
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3. $500.00 deletion fee?
What a great idea!
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 01:07 PM
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4. yessir! send them the bill!
:-) ;-) ;-) :-)
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mumon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 01:54 PM
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6. I've actually used this method successfully several times...
Against a long distance provider that wouldn't stay away, and against a couple of credit card companies.

It actually works (though you may have to send communication certified mail.)

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