Daunting Intellect Sets Clark Apart, and Some People Off... (LONG)

[DoveTurnedHawk]

Daunting intellect sets Clark apart, and some people off, in soldier's life ringed by success

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Clark's will to achieve surfaced early -- when he was still collecting lizards and playing toy soldiers in Little Rock, Ark. Mary Campbell, a second cousin who grew up close by, remembers teaching him to ride a bike, and growing tired as she pushed him up and down the little hill on his street.

"I knew Wesley was smart, and I thought, 'If he's so smart, he ought to get the hang of it pretty quick,' so I just let go," she recalls. "He wriggled around, and I thought he was going to fall, but typical Wesley, he came out of it unscathed. ... Wesley pretty much taught himself everything."

By his teenage years, Clark was distinguishing himself both as a student and an athlete. Because of the unrest in Little Rock over the desegregation of Central High School, Clark spent his sophomore year at Castle Heights Military Academy in Lebanon, Tenn. Classmate Rob Hosier remembers sleeping in Clark's dorm room one night and waking up Saturday at 5 a.m. to find him quietly working on a plaster of Paris model of a paramecium by the daylight filtering through the windows.

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Classmate Phillip McMath was on the Boys Club swim team with Clark when Clark decided they should have a high school team as well.

"I said, 'Wesley, we don't have a coach, we don't have a budget, we don't have a pool,"' McMath recalls. "He said, 'I'll organize it and I'll be the coach."' He turned that team into the state champions.

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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2003/11/02/national1237EST0486.DTL

DTH

[kodi]

1. one wonders if a man of such capabilities is not right for america who is?

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[DemExpat]

2. I love the last part........

Scales recalls Clark puttering around in a battered Volvo station wagon at home at the same time he was whipping around in a high-powered, armored Mercedes at work.

"That's sort of a metaphor for Wes," says Scales. "He comes across as this steely, high-powered guy, but really what he is is a kid from Arkansas."

I really like and have great respect for this man Clark!

DemEx

[DoveTurnedHawk]

3. Clark Is a Self-Made Man of Modest Roots

He was raised by a single mother for a time, and he is truly a man of the people. He just doesn't choose to emphasize this part of his background.

DTH

[Bread and Circus]

53. I love how Clark percieves himself as the underdog..

who is always written off but fights to come out on
top.

[RichM]

4. There's no point in building up a cult about this guy. He's no smarter

than any of the other people running, in any meaningful sense. Besides which, being president is not particularly a matter of IQ, anyway. Clinton was plenty smart, but it didn't prevent him from giving away the store to the rightwing. And Wolfowitz, Perle, Cheney, Rummy, & Condi are all plenty smart.

So, why not concentrate on matters of substance instead of making shallow worshipful noises?

[wyldwolf]

5. Dean's having a bad weekend, huh?

[DoveTurnedHawk]

6. LOL!

Every time I see my friend Ignored pop up in a Clark thread, I always know exactly what (s)he's saying. ;-)

DTH

[wyldwolf]

8. This is what (s)he said:

There's no point in building up a cult about this guy. He's no smarter than any of the other people running, in any meaningful sense. Besides which, being president is not particularly a matter of IQ, anyway. Clinton was plenty smart, but it didn't prevent him from giving away the store to the rightwing. And Wolfowitz, Perle, Cheney, Rummy, & Condi are all plenty smart.

So, why not concentrate on matters of substance instead of making shallow worshipful noises?

[DoveTurnedHawk]

10. I Love How Posting a Newspaper Article Is "Shallow Worshipful Noises"

:-)

And while I thank you for the amusement value, I really don't need to see the stuff I'm trying to ignore, it kinda defeats the purpose. ;-)

DTH

[RetroLounge]

9. Not really too bad of a weekend, thank you.

[DemExpat]

11. Why not ignore these threads if you have no interest in Clark

as a candidate?

What makes Wes very special is his keen and developed mind paired with his heart being in the right place.
Mixed with a great sense of humor.....
For some of us he is number one and hopefully will replace Bush in 2004.

:kick:

DemEx

[Bread and Circus]

54. Sounds like you are not confident in what you say...

I like the qualifier you add in: "any meaningful sense".

Your fotress of Clark Hate is crumbling.

[sandnsea]

62. rotfl

Let's concentrate on matters of substance. That certainly wouldn't include intelligence, not in George Bush's America!

(How can intelligence NOT be a matter of substance?)

[zeemike]

7. Daunting intellect?

So that is the label of the week for Clark.
Sorry but I see no evidence of a daunting intellect in what he has done with his life. What great works has he wrought? A book on modern warfare?
Being successful in school is no measure of intellect nor does being unsuccessful means that you are not a great intellect (Einstein being my example)
I require actual results before I can declare someone a daunting intellect.

[mzmolly]

12. Agreed, voting for Reagan/Nixon does not an intellect make.

Hey'd I spell intellect right? ;)

[wyldwolf]

13. Quick! While there is a lull in the Dean racism posts...

Let's divert to Clark... ummmm... looking in the Clark bash file... nothing new.... same old same old... guess we'll pull out the Reagan card... damn! I wish Clark would do something really worth bashing about... like court southern racists...

http://www.liberalresurgent.com/mooreclark.mp3

[Pastiche423]

14. It's the same old, same old

regarding clark, because that is what he is!

If his intelligence equals killing thousands of innocent men, women and children, bombing their schools, churches and hospitals, and dousing their soil w/poisons that will remain for infinity, then I say, fuck that kind of intelligence!

[wyldwolf]

15. Check file... ah, "war criminal" card... that's always good ...

...it's only been debunked 100 times... there might be some newbies around who we can convince that it's true.

[Pastiche423]

22. That is not true

It has not been debunked even once.

Is a crime not a crime unless one goes to a real trial?

A crime was committed on my person. There was no trial, because the perps were never caught. Does that mean there was no crime? If so, shouldn't I be able to walk, dance, skip, hike, etc?

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[wyldwolf]

40. Deanie debate techique #22: Diversion...

... when someone else answers your question, ignore it and demand the same answer from the one you're discussing with.

This makes it look like you didn't see the answer and, so, the answer doesn't really effect your argument.

So, thanks to Magistrate:

No war crimes were commited by NATO forces in preventing Butcher Slobo's designs in Kossovo. The continued assertion there were is based on two things: an a priori view that use of military force by the U.S. is illegitimate by definition, and a lack of appreciation of how the laws of war apply to its actual practice. It is not possible to prove anything to persons who hold that view, as they have not arrived at by its having been proved to them, but only have adopted it because it fits their accustomed ideological parameters.

More important is to understand that such charges have no resonance with any but a tiny band of left extremists, most of whom have opted out of the electoral process for various splinter-group actions, and a similarly tiny band of right extremists, who will never vote for a Democratic Party candidate in any case. The general public will be rather inclined to view the NATO campaign in Kossovo as a favorable contrast to the current botch-up in Iraq: it was quickly successful, with a minimum of casualties, and the criminal who was its object is now on trial at The Hague.

Now, if you're a Deanie, the next thing to do is divert and complain that your opponant used someone else's words - which, as you know, discredits the actual answer.

[Pastiche423]

42. And I thought

only repugs were good at PROJECTION. I was wrong. You are a master!

[wyldwolf]

44. And I thought

only repugs were good at changing the subject when losing. I was wrong. You are a master!

[retyred]

55. ZING!!!!

Retyred In Fla
So I Read This Book

[wyldwolf]

56. They just make it so easy...

[The Magistrate]

32. It Is Quite True, Ma'am

No war crimes were commited by NATO forces in preventing Butcher Slobo's designs in Kossovo. The continued assertion there were is based on two things: an a priori view that use of military force by the U.S. is illegitimate by definition, and a lack of appreciation of how the laws of war apply to its actual practice. It is not possible to prove anything to persons who hold that view, as they have not arrived at by its having been proved to them, but only have adopted it because it fits their accustomed ideological parameters.

More important is to understand that such charges have no resonance with any but a tiny band of left extremists, most of whom have opted out of the electoral process for various splinter-group actions, and a similarly tiny band of right extremists, who will never vote for a Democratic Party candidate in any case. The general public will be rather inclined to view the NATO campaign in Kossovo as a favorable contrast to the current botch-up in Iraq: it was quickly successful, with a minimum of casualties, and the criminal who was its object is now on trial at The Hague.

[Mz Pip]

39. By the same token

it's not a crime just because you say it is. Allegations were investigated by people far more competent than you.

So walk, skip, hike and dance to another charge. This one has no legs.

MzPip
:dem:

[Pastiche423]

47. Allegations investigated

The Members of the International War Crimes Tribunal find the accused Guilty on the basis of the evidence against them and that each of the nineteen separate crimes alleged in the Initial Complaint has been established to have been committed beyond a reasonable doubt. These are:

1. Planning and Executing the Dismemberment, Segregation and Impoverishment of Yugoslavia.

2. Inflicting, Inciting and Enhancing Violence Between and Among Muslims and Slavs.

3. Disrupting Efforts to Maintain Unity, Peace and Stability in Yugoslavia.

4. Destroying the Peace-Making Role of the United Nations.

5. Using NATO for Military Aggression Against, and Occupation of, Non-Compliant Poor Countries.

6. Killing and Injuring a Defenseless Population throughout Yugoslavia.

7. Planning, Announcing and Executing Attacks Intended to Assassinate the Head of Government, Other Government Leaders and Selected Civilians in Yugoslavia.

8. Destroying and Damaging Economic, Social, Cultural, Medical, Diplomatic -- including the Embassy of the People’s Republic of China and other embassies -- and Religious Resources, Properties and Facilities throughout Yugoslavia. 9 Attacking Objects Indispensable to the Survival of the Population of Yugoslavia.

10. Attacking Facilities Containing Dangerous Substances and Forces.

11. Using Depleted Uranium, Cluster Bombs and Other Prohibited Weapons.

12. Waging War on the Environment.

13. Imposing Sanctions through the United Nations that are a Genocidal Crime Against Humanity.

14. Creating an Illegal Ad-Hoc Criminal Tribunal to Destroy and Demonize the Serbian Leadership. The Illegitimacy of this Tribunal is Further Demonstrated by Its Failure to Bring Any Case Regarding the Oppression of the Romani People, Who Have Suffered the Highest Rate of Casualties of Any People in the Region.

15. Using Controlled International Media to Create and Maintain Support for the U.S. Assault and to Demonize Yugoslavia, Slavs, Serbs and Muslims as Genocidal Murderers.

16. Establishing the Long-Term Military Occupation of Strategic Parts of Yugoslavia by NATO Forces.

17. Attempting to Destroy the Sovereignty, Right to Self-Determination, Democracy and Culture of the Slavic, Muslim, Roma and Other People’s of Yugoslavia.

18. Seeking to Establish U.S. Domination and Control of Yugoslavia and to Exploit Its People and Resources.

19. Using the Means of Military Force and Economic Coercion in Order to Achieve U.S. Domination.

The Members hold NATO, the NATO states and their leaders accountable for their criminal acts and condemn those found guilty in the strongest possible terms. The Members condemn the NATO bombardments, denounce the international crimes and violations of international humanitarian law committed by the armed attack and through other means such as economic sanctions. NATO has acted lawlessly and has attempted to abolish international law.

http://www.iacenter.org/warcrime/wct2000.htm

Btw, I cannot walk, skip, hike or dance, even though according to some here a crime was not committed, because there was no trial. Yet MY legs are still paralyzed.

[wyldwolf]

49. bwahahahaha....!!! The Independent Commission of Inquiry!!!

Next time someone's dog shits in my yard, I'm going to gather my neighbors together for a mock trial so I can find the dog's owners guilty!

I can't believe you used that site as evidence.

Wait. Knowing your record, I can believe it.

the Independent Commission of Inquiry... :eyes:

[zeemike]

16. Sorry

But I was just pointing out that the claim of a daunting intellect has no factual basis that I have seen.
If you do not like bashing you should not make claims that cannot be backed up with fact.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

17. No Factual Basis?!?

Clark's entire career is a litany of objective indicia of intelligence:

1) First in his class at West Point
2) Rhodes Scholar
3) Performance reviews, nearly all of which cite extreme intellect
4) Climbed to the very top of his chosen profession
5) Author of two books

Oh, but that's all.

:eyes:

DTH

[zeemike]

20. Doing well in school is nice

But just look at what is done with the education. His total accomplishment is being a 4 star general in the military. (Writing 2 books is hardly evidence of intellect)
Just being a Rhodes scholar is not enough. Many great intellects do not do well in school at all but prove themselves with actions, and many mediocre people do well in school and accomplish nothing in there life.

[wyldwolf]

21. File this under "spin Clark's intellect."

...

[zeemike]

25. But this post is the one spinning

Clark as a “Daunting intellect”
I am not trying to be mean but I would never try that one with my man Dean because it would not be real. I don’t have to believe something like that to vote for him as president.

[Name removed]

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[zeemike]

31. You just don’t get it

Trying to portray Clark as something he is not just doesn’t get it with me anyway. If he were a daunting intellect he would have done something like Einstein did in mathematics or Edison did with inventions.
What is wrong with just being real? Dean is a smart man and a Doctor, Clark is a smart man and a General, it is not necessary to pump them up beyond what is real.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

33. So Now "Daunting Intellect" = Einstein or Edison?

You really ARE expecting the return of Jesus Christ, aren't you?

The article does NOT say Clark's one of the smartest people in the world. It just says he's a daunting intellect. Clark obviously qualifies.

DTH

[zeemike]

35. Daunting means intimidating

Yes the intellect of Einstein was intimidating because of what he did with mathematics. And the same for Edison.
But just being a Rhodes scholar or finishing first in your class is no proof of an intimidating intellect. Sorry, but there are a lot of people that finish first in there class and are Rhodes scholars that do not intimidate.

[wyldwolf]

37. Like who?

?

[zeemike]

45. Just ask yourself this:

How many Rhodes Scholars are there, and how many do I know?
I can only think of 3 or 4 but I am sure there are more in the public light than I know. But there are thousands that I do not know because they have done nothing of notice. And being first in your class is almost a pre requisite for Rhodes scholarship.
So Clark does belong in the box of smart people fore sure, but to say that his smarts are intimidating is a stretch that you do not have to make. And it does nothing to make him more attractive to me at least.
And frankly it sounds like propaganda when the idea of intimidation is used to modify the concept of intelligence. It is not enough to say that your guy is a good guy, but that he is so much gooder than any one else!

[wyldwolf]

46. Like who?

You said, there are a lot of people that finish first in there class and are Rhodes scholars that do not intimidate.

Name some. And if you can't, then you simply don't know if they intimidate or not.

[wyldwolf]

34. First in class at West Point... Rhodes Scholar... Supreme Allied Commander

Economics guru...

I know, I know ... He's CLARK and you just can't give him his props!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

65. Without Getting Into This Briar Patch

and with using an everyday usage of the word "intelligence" I can say with some confidence that Howard Dean a-n-d Wes Clark are exceptionally intelligent people, probably smarter than ninenty eight, ninety nine percent of their contemporaries. To deny or dispute this is really quite silly IMHO....

I base this on the fact that Wes Clark was first in his class at West Point, a Rhodes Scholar , and rose to Four Star General and Supreme Allied Commander.....Just think of the all people Wes Clark had to outperform intellectually to reach this point... Out of an Army of 2,000,000 there are approximately thirty five four stars ...

Howard Dean became a physician after a stint as in investment banker... This transition is amazing in itself and given the exclusivety of medical schools and the fact that Howard Dean attended Albert Einstein, one of the better ones I have to conclude Howard Dean is one smart cookie....

To deny that either one of these men are exceptionally bright is just plain stupid...

My whole little discourse has nothing to do with the political acumen of these two gentlement but a noble attempt to set the record straight....

[DoveTurnedHawk]

23. Oh, Well THAT'S All!

But just look at what is done with the education. His total accomplishment is being a 4 star general in the military. (Writing 2 books is hardly evidence of intellect)

Umm...WTF do you expect? The return of Jesus Christ?

I'd say achieving the highest possible military rank during peacetime (during which time he helped save ethnic Kosovars from genocide and ethnic cleansing, and advocated for intervention in Rwanda), writing two books, and running for the Presidency are doing a pretty whole hell of a lot with your life! He's already accomplished more than 99.9% of the population.

Your complaint here is really incredible.

Just being a Rhodes scholar is not enough. Many great intellects do not do well in school at all but prove themselves with actions, and many mediocre people do well in school and accomplish nothing in there life.

See above. He's not just a Rhodes scholar.

:eyes:

DTH

[zeemike]

28. OK

Buy your standard of measurement anyone that is a 4 star general and writes a book or two is a daunting intellect
I have standards that are a little higher than that for the title of Daunting Intellect.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

30. Incorrect!

By my standards, anyone able to finish first in class at college and become a Rhodes scholar is pretty damn smart, almost certainly in the top 1%, and is arguably a "daunting intellect."

You're the one who added this bizarre, additional requirement that to be intelligent, you need to do something with it. I then showed you exactly how Clark HAS done something with it.

You're totally busted, at least have the good grace to admit it.

DTH

[kiahzero]

43. Even more so...

He finished first in his class at West Point... I don't care what you think of the military, but the classes as WP are some of the most academically challenging in the nation.

[0rganism]

50. Good God! Is it simply impossible to admit Clark is accomplished?

Tell you what, I've got lower standards than you.

Any high school student who (1)starts a swim team, (2)acts as its coach, and (3)wins the state swimming championship, is both extremely motivated and an incredible motivator.

Anyone who can qualify as a Rhodes scholar, I figure has to be pretty damn smart.

Anyone who can graduate first in their class at any college, let alone West Point, has some brains and capability.

Anyone who can attain the rank of 4-star general, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and say they know how to run an army.

And given that the Supreme Allied Commander job doesn't go to just anyone, Clark must have stood out among a fairly elite group of military leaders.

And anyone who can seriously study economics, let alone teach the subject, I give points for stamina.

As for writing two published books, well, there are some really crappy books by mediocre intellects available, but at least they've been published. That IS an accomplishment, its magnitude being dependent on the quality of the book.

And he's running for president.

I'm not voting in the Democratic primary, but IMHO, the Democrats could do worse than nominate Wesley Clark.

[wyldwolf]

52. But he overshadows Howard Dean... and that is zeemike's real problem!

[zeemike]

58. No my real problem is language

I have nothing against Clark and the reason I am not for him is because I don’t know him and I submit that few of us here in the real world do.
My problem is with the language of propaganda and if you want references I would suggest the writings of Gooble or perhaps George Orwell to understand what I am saying.
The more I hear people make up stuff like “daunting intellect” the more I think that someone is trying to pull the wool over my eyes.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

59. So Complain to the SF Chronicle

Their e-mail address is [e-mail]

DTH

[Bread and Circus]

57. This is one for my refrigerator...

Here is another way to phrase such a ludicrous statement:

"Clark, you are a Valedictorian, Rhodes Scholar,
who United 19 countries to bring a genocidal dictator
to his knees, 4 star general, best selling author,
and SACEUR. Is that the best you could do? Bah!"

[RandomUser]

63. LOL. It's almost as funny as the Queen of England smear!

That's hilarious. It's almost as funny as the time a couple of Dean supporters started a thread in P/C saying Clark's knighthood proved he was a PNAC neo-con republican. Their "research" showed that the Queen of England only gave knighthoods to PNAC neo-con republicans -- if the recipient happened to be a U.S. politician, that is. The best part was how they defended that position for tons of posts, and still claim there's no proof otherwise that the Queen only knights PNAC neo-con republicans. :eyes:

So, not only is a knighthood the mark of a evil person, but being intelligent is now too? lol.

[OKNancy]

64. And speaks Spanish and Russian

don't forget that.

[wyldwolf]

18. Do we have a Clark index card for this... ummmm...

...let's see... First in class at West Point... Rhodes Scholar... economics guru... how can we spin that into average non-daunting intelligence...? ummm... I know, we'll just claimthere is no factual evidence! Yeah! New index card....

[Donna Zen]

51. Okay

For one of Clark's master's thesis he analyzed the Pentagon Papers, taking apart each decision that lead to such bad decisions. He then traced each one back to 1946. Finally, the thesis made recommendations for policies that would protect the decision making process from the faults that caused the debacle. Today many of the policies in place in your government were derived from Clark's work.

I know someone who is currently doing research on those policy changes. She said that while he paper is not on the internet, one can find references to the thesis.

[wyldwolf]

19. Quick! Someone whine "But he lobbied for Kissinger...!"

...or did that untruth finally catch up with everyone?

[knight_of_the_star]

24. You know

I never actually SAW any of the Clark-haters say WHEN and HOW he did that. Where and how did they come up with that one?

[wyldwolf]

27. Well here ya' go!

Sure to defuse this entire fabricated myth.

---------------
Exposing the GOP-style talking points: Clark lobbied for Henry Kissinger
---------------

One of the often repeated yet patently false statements about Wesley Clark is that he works, or has worked, as a lobbyist for Henry Kissinger. This conclusion was originally arrived at be an odd "six degrees of Kevin Bacon"-style name association Google search that showed both Clark and Kissinger were associated with a company called CSIS - Center for Strategic and International Studies.

The slanderer usually states that Wesley Clark is a lobbyist for a company whose chair (or CEO or head or owner or boss) is Henry Kissinger and thus, works for Kissinger. However, this could not be further from the truth.

According to the CSIS website, the chairman of the company is Sam Nunn, one of the country's most respected Democrats and a former senator of 24 years. In addition, The CEO is Bill Clinton's former U.S. deputy secretary of defense John Hamre.

Wesley Clark is a senior advisor for CSIS - a position so lofty that it doesn't even merit a bio on CSIS's homepage!

So where does Henry Kissinger fit in to all of this?

Kissinger heads up The International Councillors, a CSIS affiliate, comprised of a group of international business leaders. This minor affiliate group meets only twice a year to discuss the implications of the changing economic and strategic environment.

There is absolutely NO indication that Wesley Clark is a part of this group.

So, we see, a Wesly Clark-Henry Kissinger connection is dubious at best and the statement that Clark "lobbies for Kissinger" or "works for Kissinger" is intellectually dishonest.

Some may (and do) contend, in light of the above revelations, that Clark working for the same goals as Kissinger is still a bad thing. This is desperation on their part, though. There is no indication that Clark and Kissinger work toward the same goals at CSIS, which is a very multi-facited company involved in things ranging from programs on technology and public policy, international trade and finance, energy, enviromental concerns, and medical genetic therapy.

Further, there is no explanation to what exactly Kissinger's role there is, so making any judgement is a shot in the dark.

Plus, do we really want to venture into territory where personalities connected through physical entities automatically become associated? In that Bizarro world former President Bill Clinton and then-House Speaker Newt Gingrich are forever connected because they worked together for a shared goal - The Hart-Rudman report on Terrorism.

In the same vein, a similar slanderous claim could be made against Sam Nunn, Dr. Betty Stanley Beene (former president of United Way of America), Harold Brown (Jimmy Carter's secretary of defense), Zbigniew Brzezinski (Jimmy Carter's national security advisor), John Hamre (Bill Clinton's U.S. deputy secretary of defense), and Felix G. Rohatyn (Bill Clinton's Ambassador to France), among other members with democratic credentials - all members of CSIS.

The fact remains that CSIS is an independent, nonpartisan public policy research organization. However, with an active imagination, something sinister can be found in anything.

http://www.csis.org/about/#4

[Mz Pip]

36. Why bother with the truth

when lies, myths and out of context misrepresentations serve to advance a cause so much better?

It amazes me that the Clark haters just don't want to let go of their continually debunked beliefs about Clark no matter how many facts are given them.

MzPip
:dem:

[Forkboy]

60. Take this sentence

It amazes me that the Clark haters just don't want to let go of their continually debunked beliefs about Clark no matter how many facts are given them.

and insert any candidates name and it still would be true.

[Piperay]

41. Clarks..

my man and the only one who can beat the chimp. :thumbsup:

[Gloria]

48. Amazing that we even have to see the spin on intellect....when we've had

NONE in the White House since Bush arrived.....

Guess since Clinton's penis, being smart is considered a negative...

God forbid someone smart runs for office...Wasn't Al Gore too nerdy for the nation, too??

[Forkboy]

61. Compared to Bush my cat has a daunting intellect

(and would make a fine President as well...friskies for all poor cats everywhere).

I'm suprised (well ok,I'm not I guess) to see people harping on Clark for this.It reminds me of my nephew coming home from school one day saying that because he got good grades people called him Einstein...as an INSULT! :eyes: