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BallaFaseke Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 01:19 AM
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We need a Canadian-type military
One that is good for only responding to civil disasters and helping the UN on peacekeeping missions.

Our military is built for world domination and aggression. Plus we still have nuclear weapons for whatever reason.

I think people like Kucinich have it right with a smaller military complex.
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LastKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 01:21 AM
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1. the reason canada can afford that
they live under the american umbrella of 'protection' or terror and domination, more accuratley, but yes we need to scale down the millitary, not go as small as canada, but still, why are we having things this big?

-LK
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 01:24 AM
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4. Er....excuse me...
who...exactly...is the US 'protecting' us from?

Who has the US ever protected us from?

The only country that has ever invaded Canada...is the US.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 01:29 AM
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6. When all else fails
invade Canada!

Sorry about that.
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BallaFaseke Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 01:32 AM
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8. Don't give Bush ideas
He would do that!!
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 01:39 AM
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11. Well Bush
wouldn't get very far invading Canada. :D
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BallaFaseke Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 01:40 AM
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13. Why is that?
You think you can stop our tanks rolling in from North Dakota?
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 01:47 AM
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15. Rolling into where?
Edited on Mon Nov-03-03 01:49 AM by Maple
You'd be in southern Manitoba. Not a lot to conquer there, and thousands of miles from anywhere else. Canada is bigger than the US...you couldn't roll too far.

Tanks also don't operate too well in the weather here. :D
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BallaFaseke Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 01:51 AM
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16. Neither in Alaska too
but we got a few up there.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 01:56 AM
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19. And they are fun
in cold weather betcha.

The cold in the north can crack the blade on a snow plow. Freeze a camera solid. Explode trees.

Make toys out of tanks.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 01:53 AM
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17. We will kill all your moose
and steal your hockey rinks :D
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 01:59 AM
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21. LOL
well stealing all the hockey rinks...and there are thousands...would be easier than killing all the moose.

Just don't threaten the donuts eh?

Some things are sacred ya know.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 02:04 AM
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23. Best thing I've seen in my life
went to Bouctouche (sp?) and they had a hockey rink right in back of the church....a true holy site :)

Donuts are protected under the Geneva Accords....especially the jelly ones!
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jafap Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 01:38 AM
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10. too bad you did not keep Detroit too
For our sake I mean.

Also, the British and the French invaded Canada if you look at it from a Native American perspective.

Theoretically, Canada could have been treated like China by the Japanese, or like Argentina or Africa by the Nazis. If not for America how would Canada have fared against the USSR or the Chinese?

Of course the Oceans and the cold are your best defense.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 01:45 AM
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14. Ah yes the French
D'etroit. Well...we were nice about it. Hey...we're polite.

The British and French moved in, and made treaties with the First Nations for living space. And they had no idea how big Canada would be at the time. We are talking very small areas for them.

We were never in any danger from the USSR or China...and in any case the Americans could never have helped us.

It's not so much the oceans or cold...it's the sheer size of Canada that protects us.

Altho certainly 60°C below in the northern regions would have helped. ;-)
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 01:56 AM
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18. Acting under the Queen...
doesn't count:).
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 01:57 AM
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20. No one in Canada
acts under the queen. Nice lady, weird family tho..... lives in a different country. ;-)
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 01:31 AM
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7. Why?
The short answer is that there are too many in this country that can't stand peace. They don't have a clue as what to do. They need an evil empire to rally against, to justify rampant defense spending. Scale down the military-industrial complex in this country and you've damaged the economic viability of more than a few areas in the U.S., and I'm not just talking the South. Omaha, for example, was boosted greatly by the presence of SAC.
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minto grubb Donating Member (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 02:34 AM
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24. Bush needs a big military structure, we don't...
If you read Elain Morgan, she makes the point that, in a troop of baboons, the dominant male comes into his own when the group is threatened by a leopard. the Alpha male bares his fangs and all his buddies rally round the big boy to drive the leopard away. when the leopard goes, however, the other baboons wil get restless, bicker among themselves and may even consider challenging him.
Bush, being a bit smarter than the average babboon, will try to make sure that his followers will always see a leopard somewhere.
If it ain't in Afghanistan, look at Iraq.
The point has ben raise "What does the USA protect us from? The Russians? Would we not be better off spending money on eradicating Poverty in the 3rd world, rather than hi-tech missiles?
Britain had nuclear weapons in the 80's, and still had to fight Argentina for the Falklands.
We need to think about global solutions, not national ones.
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Holly Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 01:37 AM
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9. Ah, just a thought
but pursuing foreign policy that respects sovereign nations and promoting human rights doesn't usually lead to attacks.Having U.S. soldiers trained in peacekeeping may have made a difference in Iraq.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 01:21 AM
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2. We need more Canadians in general...
:shrug:
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 02:03 AM
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22. The world needs more Canada
We've always said that! :D
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onebigbadwulf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 01:21 AM
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3. Imagine...
what would happen if we


1. stopped funding israel
2. pulled all our troops around the entire world home immediately
3. destroyed all our nuclear weapons


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BallaFaseke Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 01:25 AM
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5. I don't know if we should pull out of Kosovo
that is a peacekeeping mission.

But everywhere else, sure.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 01:40 AM
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12. well, Molson is alot cheaper than depleted uranium
We could cut the military budget by two-thirds and not notice a difference except that politics would be cleaner.
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:30 AM
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25. We need more soldiers, actually...
We go on and on about how we're so good at peacekeeping, but we hardly have any soldiers to do it. There's a lot of peace to keep out there.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:37 AM
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26. I don't disagree with you on that one...
we do need more peacekeeping troops, we are fully extended now. I also would like to see us improve the lives of those who are serving but do NOT want us to turn from a peacekeeping nation to one of agression.
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:53 AM
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27. No to aggression, yes to peace.
Edited on Mon Nov-03-03 09:54 AM by Screaming Lord Byron
With you on that one, bud. The more we can do, the better. We're not a warlike nation, but that should not allow us to ignore the military.
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