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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:03 AM
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Question on Soldier Casualty/Death numbers
Each day we have been unfortunately been hearing of how many soldiers have been killed or wounded in Iraq. However I have a question about those numbers, do they revise the counts when the wounded die of their unjuries?

For example there were a number of soldiers that survived yesterday's attack but if some of those poor soldiers don't make it, will they revise the number of combat deaths?




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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:06 AM
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1. We'll never hear about it if they do.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:07 AM
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2. that is what is worrying me
I suspect that a number of men/women have died as a result of injuries sustained in combat but that they may not be counted as combat deaths because they may have survived a few weeks or more past their date of injury.
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xJlM Donating Member (955 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:17 AM
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4. Missing arms, legs, eyes...
I read on one site that a soldier who lost his leg was not termed to be seriously injured. How can it get much more serious than that? This whole thing was based on lies, and the lies just continue to flow. How can anyone justify staying in Iraq, knowing what we now know?
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:19 AM
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5. The fellow who got press coverage locally lost a leg and his
vision.

Basically he is so badly disabled that he will spend his life being cared for by others. He used to be a healthy 19 year old...its just so wrong.

If losing a leg isn't serious enough than something is very wrong with our system.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:15 AM
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3. Here's a website that's trying to track the casualties...
Casualties in Iraq
<http://www.antiwar.com/ewens/casualties.html>


I personally believe these numbers represent about 1/3 of our total casualties in Iraq to date. The Bushies have made too many moves to conceal the casualty numbers.
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:23 AM
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6. Here's a site that has the infomation
http://www.pigstye.net/iraq/


I have seen notices that include the date they were originally hurt as well as the later date of death and where they died.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:27 AM
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7. the medicial people in Germany who recieve the US wounded today said
Edited on Mon Nov-03-03 09:53 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
that, "the number of wounded and dead brought in yesterday from the shunok chopper downing is acually a lower number of daily percentage of US wounded brought in daily"....so the daily wounded and killed is higher than 45 a day
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xJlM Donating Member (955 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:37 AM
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8. Do you feel a draft?
They can't possibly accept that kind of casualty rate without bringing up more troops. Sooner or later, it's going to come down to folding up the tents and going home or starting the draft up. That's when the shit will really hit the fan.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:40 AM
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9. i suspect that may be around the corner but I want all the bush
kids signed up first.
their clan started it...let them fight it.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:41 AM
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10. This story highlights the lack of information we're getting in the U.S....
Edited on Mon Nov-03-03 11:49 AM by Skinner
US wounded in the shadows
<http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EJ02Ak01.html>

Excerpts:

"How many wounded and injured are there? Nobody really knows for sure. Understandably, it is difficult to be precise when more casualties are being created on a near daily basis. But gathering data is difficult for other reasons.

Casualties are first triaged 'in country' and then sent to the Landstuhl Regional Medical Center (LRMC) in Germany. The LRMC processes every patient from Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom, the military campaign in Afghanistan. It is the largest military medical center outside the United States, and remains at its 322-bed capacity, nearly twice the number of pre-war beds. As of September 16, Landstuhl had treated approximately 6,000 service members from Operation Iraqi Freedom."

...and...

"To make a true database, one would have to poll nearly every hospital in the country on a weekly basis to garner real-time information on these patients."

...and...

"The Washington Post reported on September 3 that the number of those wounded in action has grown so large and attacks have become so commonplace that US Central Command usually issues press releases listing injuries only when the attacks also kill one or more personnel. The result is that many injuries go unreported.
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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:43 AM
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11. Here's another site keeping count:
http://lunaville.org/warcasualties/Summary.aspx

(Tho I don't know the answer to your question...)
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:54 AM
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12. yes, they add them to the toll
but they still haven't given complete numbers of suicides. every once and a while a death is removed. or not listed in the #.

and i wanna know how many have killed themselves.
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 10:01 AM
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13. Yeah, on page 27 in very small print, in Sunday's paper.
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Ruby Romaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 12:47 PM
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14. my local (abc)newscast (last night)
Showed a guy in blue scrubs with injured solders-
he said something like (it went by so fast i don't remember exact words)
The casulties are much less since the end of hostilities
and then he WINKED!!!!
* is such a disaster if they let the military vote they will turn on him!
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