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Starpass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:47 AM
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Are You Starting to Get a Whiff of What They Intend to Do About Iraq??
My whiff is starting to turn to a downright stench! I know they have to rid Bush of this before election '04; and I'm beginning to sense how they are going to do it.

Have you noted in the last 10 days the stories about and talking head's jawing about our great efforts at training the former Iraqi military to take over policing the country? Have you kept from cracking up at the video clips of these Keystone Cops? Does it take a rocket scientist to figure out that if we turned over the protection of the Iraqi people and the safeguarding of their "new" democracy to these "cops" that Iraq would collapse into civil war??

Bush keeps saying there will be elections in Iraq by this summer (convenient to his convention). As discussed here many times, the Iraqis will get to "pick" the goon we designate as their leader (they took over the USA; this will be a cake walk). After the election, we will immediately turn over the government to the new president and these Keystone cops----so that they can get about the business of murder, imprisonment and establishing of a new bruatal dictatorship (something we cannot do because the world is watching).

Our goon's job will be to totally protect "OUR" new oil interests (the only reason we are there and hang around there). Bush knows we can't do anything with the out of control mess in Iraq; thus, the job of our goon and his cops will be to snuff out the situtation by imposing a regime that makes Saddam look like a choir boy. When the world screams, we can say we have nothing to do with it but that it is the "will" of the Iraqi people. We will have a parade of our soldiers marching home all next summer. We will not hear or see the dictatorship in action until after election '04 when it's too late. Bush will be credited with a great war and giving democracy to Iraq and bringing our boys back home. It difuses a key Dem attack point and the people forget what a slime bag Bush is. The oil barrons are happy. The American people are happy. Bush gets another term and the boys go off to war again a few months after to other golden oil fields.

Keep watching these stories of training this military to take over the duties in Iraq. I swear this is the big hint of what they are up to.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:53 AM
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1. Right now they are interviewing for Saddam II so they can
have a goon they prefer. I think they are pissed at Chalabi...he lied about the flowers and warm welcome thing so I suspect he is in the doghouse with the neocons...but who knows.
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spindoctor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 01:08 PM
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10. If they discard Chalabi...
...they will have another raving criminal lunatic on their hands.

I don't know. Maybe Chalabi will get himself killed before he becomes dangerous.
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T Roosevelt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:54 AM
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2. That would be in line with our past "performance"
We just want another Saddam, though one that we control (since we lost our hold on the him, we have to have another). A dictatorship cloaked in democracy would be fine with this corrupt admin...:puke:
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:54 AM
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3. This could be a Fox Reality Show - Pick Iraq's new Dictator
imagine a number of mustached, dark haired gentlemen in military uniforms...all vying for the attentions and affections of the Bush Cabal...

Americans could even vote on line!

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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:56 AM
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5. lol.....The Measure of a Dictator
:silly:
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 10:03 AM
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7. It would be great...the candidates would range from
irrational fundamentalists to suave "continental" types...and of course you need to throw in a candidate that looks a lot and acts a lot like Saddam so as to throw the audience for a loop....
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virtualobserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:55 AM
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4. I think that you are right....
but I don't think that they are competent enough to pull it off.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:57 AM
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6. This is an interesting question
I deplore this myself--I mean the goal should be to train Iraqi forces so they can work, so talking about that is no problem, but giving control to them too soon isn't a good idea.

Still, there are those who would argue that we need to get out of Iraq immediately anyway.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 12:49 PM
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8. No doubt that you are right. Iraq will be off the table for the general
election. They'll make sure it appears the chaos is now under control for the betterment of the Iraqi people, a propaganda campaign that they will likely win.

They will not do so, though, until AFTER the Dem primary so that the Dem primary is very much influenced by the divisions on the Iraq war.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 01:00 PM
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9. we are going to leave Iraq in a sorry state
and there will be a darkness about how sorry it is. There will be a lot of official lies about what will be happening there, and once our troops leave, the American public will stop paying attention.

Just like hardly any attention is paid to what's going on there now. I just read that in Sept., there were something like 350 violent deaths there, compared to a Saddam-era normal of something like 50/month.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 01:09 PM
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11. Yup. They're going to slap together
a security force, a constituion, hold a sham election then cut and run and rely on propoganda in the US to slap a happy face on the whole thing...
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 01:14 PM
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12. I think that will be the attempt, but it won't work
The Iraqi soldiers will be loyal to whom? More than likely, they will split up to support the factions who will then begin warring with one another (which is why we installed Saddam to begin with 35 years ago...to stop that from happening).

No one will be protecting the pipelines. Hell, the pipelines are getting blown up with us there right now and no significant oil is being exported.

I agree they are attempting this ploy, but it will backfire. NOTHING Smirk has ever done has ever worked out successfully from day one of his miserable priviliged existence (except election fixes by Daddy's henchmen, and that won't work in the real world)
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 03:09 PM
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18. Well Said, Mr. Jacobin
It will be tried; it will fail, spectacularly.

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"
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progressiverealist Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 01:21 PM
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13. are you familiar with the term "Vietnamization?"
That's what they called it a few decades back. It worked well... for Ho Chi Minh and the North.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 01:29 PM
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15. Oops,
I was working on my post and you beat me to it.

Welcome to DU. :toast:
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 01:26 PM
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14. Like we returned the Vietnam war
to the Vietnamese, only Bushboy has vested interest in the oil there so collapse, like Vietnam, is not an option.

I was thinking he may just draw aline in the sand at Rumailiah and let the rest of the country go. But this is all speculation.

He's between Iraq and a hard place no matter what happens. The fascisti don't make good rulers unless they can get a war on and have victories like Hitler's quick victories in Europe.

It is Conrad Heiden's book "Der Fuhrer" where he talks about Hitler changing fencesitters and even opponents of his policies when he brought them victory. They simply thought Hitler was right because he won. Maybe Bush was hoping he could capitalize on this factor. ??
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PapaClay Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 02:02 PM
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16. Bringing the troops home
will put US control of the oil at risk. Once the troops leave, any US-installed government will be overthrown or disintegrate.

IF the real power in the US has to choose between losing control of oil and losing GWB, oil will win.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 03:03 PM
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17. They'll keep troops there
And try to spin the hell out of the situation. "We're making soooooooooo much progress!"

And they'll stop reporting casualties, so they can tell us how great the progress is. They've already sealed off Dover Air Force Base from the media. The trick will be to seal off Iraq from the media, unless the media continues complicity in the * fraud.

Bake
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