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better2know Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:20 PM
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The Von Braun Master Plan: National Dream or National Nightmare?
Part one of a multi-part series:

http://www.spacedaily.com/news/rocketscience-03zzf.html

"But the main reason to seek out and study these particular holy icons is that the COLLIER'S articles contain a lot of specific details of the Von Braun Master Plan that were glossed over or just omitted from the later book publications."
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"COLLIER'S was oriented toward an audience of super-wealthy East Coast Establishment Roosevelt-hating conservatives, so von Braun played up the role of the Space Station as a surveillance and nuclear strike platform. The introduction written by the magazine's ultra-conservative editors is straight Space Power Doctrine: Space is the New High Ground, the Reds are moving to seize it, the Free World will be toast if they do, so we must get there first. I actually turned back to the cover to confirm that this was published on 22 March 1952, over five years before Sputnik 1! This whole military justification is mostly missing from the books."
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"So the Von Braun Master Plan of 1952-53 has turned from a dream into a nightmare. It was never achievable for a price we could have paid, most of the reasons for it are obsolete, and NASA's continued attempts to pursue it have wasted immense amounts of money and political capital that could have been used for another program that makes sense. At every key decision point, NASA's leadership has chosen to laboriously build up another stage in the immense infrastructure needed to carry out the Plan, rather than step back and look for an easier and more productive role for men in space."
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There's lots more, but it's the best way of explaining NASA over the years that I've ever seen.
i.e.
Lot's of expensive hardware, that could have been cheap efficient robots/computers, that never really seems to do all that much.

-The other parts of the article have not yet been published-
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 10:15 AM
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1. I musta been channeling this..."LIHOP, MIHOP Don't Matter"
Thanks for the heads-up, better2know! Here's my screed on the subject of using Outer Space to Subjugate Humanity, from way back when...

LIHOP, MIHOP Don’t Matter

9-11 HAPPENED. THAT’s what matters now — along with WHAT the Bush Organized Crime Family wants to do next.

Consider what they did back on September 12, 2001. First thing on the Smirk’s agenda upon emerging from his secret underground nuclear-bomb-proof luxury shelter was to get on the horn to Tony Blair, read his scripted lines, and build a case for going to war against Iraq.

Remember Cheney on TV, selling the world the news we would go to war with the evil doers. Meanwhile, Rumsfeld demanded the intelligence agencies sign on and say Saddam was behind the biggest attacks on America in its history.

What is remarkable is that no matter whether it was LIHOP, or MIHOP, or just the coincidence of four planes being hijacked simultaneously after the president had been briefed on just such an occurrence, the objective was to lead the United States to INVADE IRAQ, not attack Afghanistan and Osama’s hosts, the Taliban.

How do we know all this? Tony Blair bragged his statesmanship was the reason Bush changed his mind and decided to go after Osama first. Of course, Blair didn’t have to add he was surprised the drug-addled cretin serving as titular head of the United States government would want to go FIRST after Iraq, a nation, at best, tangentially involved with the 9-11 terror attacks.

To buy time for his Iraq Invasion, Bush had to get with the protocol and go with the attack on the ostensible criminal mastermind, Osama bin Laden. And so, Bush led the US and its many willing allies into Afghanistan to take out the Taliban and kill how many thousands of innocents to punish bin Laden, while sacrificing the lives of many fine people in the service of the countries and the common good. And somehow Osama got away to fight another day.

No matter to Bush. What was important for Bush was to forget Osama and build a case for toppling Saddam Hussein and invading Iraq. So Bush banged the war drums, faked evidence, and lied to Congress and the American people to get the authority to invade a country which was at peace with the United States and kill its innocent people whose only real fault lay in being ruled by a ruthless dictator who was installed, funded, and armed by the US decades earlier.

Still, the question is: Why was Bush in such a rush to go after Saddam Hussein?

Was it for the oil? The country’s strategic position? Saddam’s big files on all the business with Poppy? Bush’s friends’ businesses? Who knows?

Now that the US Marines have looked at just about everywhere — it seems there aren’t ANY nuclear weapons, no usable chemical weapons, and zero-to-little bioweapons of any kind. So, the invasion certainly wasn’t because Saddam was a threat to the US. That was just the Bush rationale for the Iraq Invasion.

What is in Iraq that he was willing to break US and international law for? And if either the LIHOP or MIHOP conspiracies are true (or, if the PNAC-crowd had something to do with it), what in Iraq would make it worth the lives of so many thousands of innocent people from New York to Washington to Pennsylvania to Afghanistan to Iraq to wherever-comes-next? What exactly is in Iraq that could be that important to Dick the Sneer and George the Smirk?

My best guess is that — more than the oil, more than the building contracts, more than the strategic military position of the US — the Bush Organized Crime Family desires the world to see something. Something truly horrible.

The situation works almost exactly like the public execution of President John F. Kennedy almost 40 years ago made clear in the US. That crime and its aftermath have made abundantly clear the Mafia-CIA-Big Business is the new axis in town.

So today, Bush and the crowd he fronts for wants the world to realize, they are marching to establish global hegemony. They don’t care who gets in the way. They’ll do whatever it takes to control the globe’s resources and enslave the world’s people.

If we don’t stop them, the world is in some serious trouble. Their next step is Star Wars, the Real Deal. Have you ever heard the term “space negation”? Once they get the high ground and arm it with nukes, lasers, and who knows what else, there’ll be no stopping them.

http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/06/08/wspace08.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/06/08/ixnewstop.html

Originally posted in DU1 Lounge:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=1451&forum=DCForumID62&archive=yes

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better2know Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 12:52 PM
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2. thanks octa
this is obviously a long-term plan
van braun was definitely a nazi
and everything is still moving forward
even though there are no commies
-why do they hate the usa?
-it's the land of the free and home of the brave
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 01:38 PM
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3. Operation PAPERCLIP
You're welcome, better2know! As you are aware, the NAZIs came over here to start life anew. No matter how heinous their crimes against humanity, they were forgiven if they promised to help us fight the commies. It seems the American leadership didn't know what was going on when the CIA invited Gehlen and the rest of the bastids over. I know the American people didn't — just like they don't know that once von Braun's vision in place, Hitler's 1000-Year Reich will click in play.
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