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Rooktoven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:54 PM
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when someone says "Yeah, but can you imagine if Gore were president?"
... ever hear someone say

Yeah, but can you imagine if Al Gore were president?

(regarding September the 11th and the aftermath)

Well, now that you mention it...

If this were the case, the attack probably would have been prevented or not allowed to happen.

If the attack actually occurred, US military aircraft would not have had an order to stand down, and would have attempted to prevent at least one attack.

If the attack still occurred, the Bin Laden family would not have been allowed to immediately leave the country after all US planes were grounded.

* If the attack would still have occurred, the president would likely have been blamed.

If the attack occurred, there would be no war in Iraq because the focus would have been on finding Bin Laden and fixing Afghanistan.

If there was war in Iraq, it would not have been undertaken without UN support.

If a war was undertaken without UN support, the justifications for that war would be solely humanitarian, the American people would not have been panicked by tales of mushroom clouds and poisonous gas.

If a war was undertaken it would have been planned more thoroughly and the significant costs of that war would be explained to the American people.

* If the American people were presented with these costs and reasons for war at the outset, they would not have been supportive.

If war was undertaken, there would be no tax cut for the top 1% earners in America.

If a war was undertaken, there would be no lies told to justify fighting it.

If a person in the diplomatic community on an intelligence mission publicly challenged the administration about reasons for the war, that person's spouse would not have their career jeopardized out of spite.

If a person in the diplomatic community on an intelligence mission publicly challenged the administration about reasons for the war, there would be no revealing of the identities of American counter-terror intelligence agents out of spite.

If an agent was revealed, the administration would summarily discover, fire, and prosecute the leaker.

Yes, I can imagine.



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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:59 PM
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1. Rock on!
;-)
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jonoboy Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 10:10 PM
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2. if only we could re-write history
Al Gore is President, the man in the White House is an imposter.
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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 10:46 PM
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3. If Gore had taken office as he should have
not one damned bit of this would have happened.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 10:47 PM
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4. Amen to that n/t
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 10:53 PM
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5. September 17, 2001: President Gore addresses the nation...
It's just over a week since the deadliest terrorist attack in
U.S. History...President Gore is now addressing the nation to explain
his proposed course of action...

"...My fellow Americans...A little over a dozen years ago, Afghani
soldiers emerged victorious from a ten-year war with the Soviet Union.
These Afghan forces, aided by the military and technical support of
the United States, hastened the end of communism in the former Soviet
Union, and with it, the Cold War. Serving on the front lines in the
final battle of a fifty-year war with communism, the Afghanis paid a
terrible price for their defense of freedom. Over a million Afghanis
lost their lives fighting the USSR. The infrastructure within the
country was destroyed. Sadly, since the end of the war, circumstances
have done nothing but deteriorate.

In the decade since they defeated the Soviets, Afghanistan has endured
an almost continuous civil war that has left the country broken and
impoverished. This continuous warfare has also provided the ideal
environment for political instability. Today, Afghanistan is
nominally ruled by a radical, fundamentalist government, the Taliban,
who has evidenced little respect for even the most basic human rights.

Unfortunately, the United States bears at least some responsibility
for the sad state of affairs. During the conflict with the Soviets,
the United States armed and trained some of the most radical elements
in Afghanistan, including Osama bin Laden. Sophisticated weaponry
provided by the United States remain within the region, and in the
hands of these radical elements, to this day. At the conclusion of
the war, for all intents and purposes, the United States withdrew from
the country. Sadly, we did not help rebuild the war-torn nation, as
we had so many times in the past. Instead, we departed, leaving those
radical elements to bring about the predictable ends we have witnessed
over the past decade. Today, Afghanistan is in ruins, its people are
on the brink of starvation, it remains locked in civil warfare, and an
estimated two million impoverished Afghanis have fled the country to
refugee camps in Pakistan. The instability inherent in a nation at
war with itself has also provided the perfect environment for
terrorists to find refuge, including those who have attacked the
United States.

While we can and must pursue the terrorists who have set up their base
of operations in Afghanistan, it is not in our long-term interest that
we do so in a manner that exacerbates the humanitarian crisis which
the country now faces. Indeed, it is in the United States' interest
that we pursue these terrorists in a manner that provides the Afghani
people reason to join us, rather than resists us, in our pursuit.
Ultimately, terrorism is never going to be defeated unless the people
of all nations are joined with the United States in pursuing those who
would commit the crimes against humanity we all witnessed last week.
For that reason, our actions in Afghanistan must show the world that
cooperation with the United States in this fight is a far more noble
calling than is resistance.

Therefore, our policy will simultaneously address the humanitarian
needs of the Afghani people while we conduct military operations
directed towards bringing Osama bin Laden and his organization to
justice. The United States will immediately undertake the provision
of food, supplies, and humanitarian assistance for the Afghani people,
including those in refugee camps in Iran and Pakistan. The Afghani
people have suffered terribly, and the United States must be a part of
bringing that suffering to an end. Simultaneously, the United States
must conduct a manhunt for the terrorists responsible for the attacks
on our nation using all necessary force to bring those parties to
justice. Ours will be a mission not only to bring those who have
wronged us to justice, but to do so in a way that does not commit
further injustices.

There are many who will criticize our policy as appeasing terrorists.
Answering those critics, we note that the United States is the most
awesome military force the world has ever known. It is well within
our capability to destroy any of our adversaries with such finality
that they would never rise from the ashes. Let there be no mistake;
our actions are not taken in fear; the United States fears no one.

As a result of our power, the United States has a special
responsibility when conducting military actions. We cannot behave as
though we are terrorists, because unlike those who perpetrated crimes
against humanity last week, there is no one who could stop the United
States if we were to behave as our enemies have. Therefore, we cannot
and will not lower ourselves to the tactics and morals of terrorists.
We are the guiding light of the world, and we shall conduct ourselves
as such... Thank you...and goodnight."

************
From an old e-mail from early '92. Never had a source...
************

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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 11:14 PM
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6. What the hell can they say about Sept 11
Edited on Mon Nov-03-03 11:15 PM by Minstrel Boy
that would have made it worse if Gore had been in office?!? Would he have read the goat book for an extra 20 minutes?

Presuming it would have even occured on Gore's watch - which probably requires Cheney be his Vice President too - would he have refused to shoot down the fourth plane? Because that's the only thing that would have made the day worse than it was under the idiot son of an asshole.


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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 11:36 PM
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7. Odd, I've not had that line used on me lately
I used to hear it all the time.

But, in case I do, thanks for a great answer! I say "yes, we'd have a Manhatten project for alternate fuel so we wouldn't have to invade countries like Iraq."
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 11:41 PM
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8. Some gems in there...
Thanks.
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Rooktoven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 02:10 AM
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9. de nada.
Needed to say something for 400
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MI Cherie Donating Member (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 02:21 AM
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10. Thank you ...
... someone needed to say that and it should be repeated often!

Also:

America would still be respected in the world.

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Adjoran Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 02:23 AM
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11. Another reason
I was holding out for a Gore entry into the '04 race.

The guy had it all: smart, creative, forward-thinking, knowledgeable about the military structure and foreign affairs, resolved to defend the basic human services programs, Washington experience in the legislative and executive branches.

"Reelect Gore in '04!" would have been an easy sell.

Even in this election.

Sadly, for reasons only he is sure of, Gore chose not to run. I was so sure he would. I'm still uncommitted.

We have some great folks running this time, but none of them can I picture as strong as Al would have been.

He's still young. Even if we get two two-term Democrats, Al would still be younger than Reagan was.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 02:34 AM
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12. I was right there with you
Edited on Tue Nov-04-03 02:35 AM by Capn Sunshine
.......sigh.

I also seriously doubt California----particularly Silicon Valley --- would have suffered from lack of Federal attention. When the credit crunch descended on the valley, Gore would have instituted his pet project: getting the US Gov't up to speed with the latest hardware , that all communicated with each other. No big crash, no huge NASDAQ decline , no California pushing the rest of the country into recession, no Enron power grab....no attack on wage earners , no diversion of capital to the military.....

Yes, Imagine if Gore had been president.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 03:03 AM
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13. Also
After being told by his chief of staff of the second plane hitting the 2nd tower Al Gore would have immediately put down his children's book and gotten to work. And we would not have had a Vice President constantly hanging out in secret "undisclosed locations".
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burr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 03:18 AM
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14. Zell would be the first to bite Al's ass!!
I can hear him now..."shooow mee tha exxiit strategy, shooow me tha exxit strategy!!!!"

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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 05:32 AM
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15. This question is for the chior!
It certainly wouldn't work with a real Dem or a stong minded independent.
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Rooktoven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 09:04 AM
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17. The evil choir?
I assume you mean Zell's backup band.
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RuB Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 05:43 AM
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16. Who was the first scumbag Republican to blame Clinton for 9/11?
Sissy boy if he was slapped he'd cry like a wet cat Bill O'Reilly.
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