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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 10:40 PM
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I heard it today.. Jonathon Karl said "hard landing"
I predicted yesterday that it would happen.. Where's my cookie??

When the helicopter story broke, it was..

"possible shootdown"
then it was
"shot down"
then it was
"crash"
and now less than 48 hrs later it's

hard landing..:eyes:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 10:50 PM
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1. Was it shot down or not?
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 10:53 PM
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4. Yes. I saw interviews w/ 2 wounded who were on the Chinook
On ABC tonight. They said that they were hit in the tail of the Chinook and there was an explosion. There was then another explosion when they hit the ground and the helicopter fell apart.
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 11:15 PM
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6. IMO, more died and they lie....nobody could survive TWO
explosions, a fire, falling out of the sky from hundreds of feet in the air...and having the entire helicopter fall apart...and they want us to believe that only 16 people died....

IMO, there are many more dead...who will ever know...no photos of caskets allowed, small town burials, or Arlington, nobody can find out all the dead....just little announcements in towns all over America...and unless someone puts the whole puzzle together...shrub gets away with more lies
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 11:20 PM
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8. idea..?
"nobody can find out all the dead....just little announcements in towns all over America...and unless someone puts the whole puzzle together.."

There have been some announced here... does anyone want me to save them and send them to someone who wants to attempt this?

Kanary
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 11:26 PM
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14. I just can't agree with this.
Most names have already been released. If there are more, the families would notice that their names are not on the Pentagon website or the scores of others that exist on the internet.

check out the lists at http://lumaville.com or http://pigstye.net/iraq
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RMJ Donating Member (681 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 10:50 PM
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2. do they think we don't have eyes?
I saw the "hard landing" site on TV. It was nothing but twisted smoking metal. It was not recognizable as a helicopter at all.

Hard landing....good grief...

(shaking head in disbelief)
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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 10:53 PM
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3. it makes perfect sense to me
the rocket must've landed on the helicopter pretty hard to cause all those casualties.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 11:00 PM
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5. Next, we will hear that an exploding box-cutter was found onboard
:eyes:
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 11:16 PM
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7. Who the hell is Jonathon Karl?
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 11:22 PM
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9. news guy.. with CNN
:)
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 11:23 PM
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10. No wonder CNN's ratings are in the toilet
If they would simply tell the TRUTH, their ratings would go through the roof.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 11:24 PM
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11. I guess it was a really, really, really, really, really hard landing.
Edited on Mon Nov-03-03 11:24 PM by w4rma


First response: View from the Medivac team

BAGHDAD, Iraq, Nov. 2 (UPI) -- From the air, the Chinook transport helicopter looks flattened. It doesn't look like a helicopter at all, and considering that the 159 Medivac helicopter I'm riding in was supposed to be headed to a roadside bomb explosion, it doesn't occur to me that the mess 400 feet below us is unusual.

I'm half-asleep in the back of the Blackhawk after riding on about a dozen such missions over the previous 36 hours. It's about 9:30 a.m. on Sunday, and I'd returned from the last mission just over six hours ago.

As we near the scene, it's clear that something big is happening below us. There are 6 or 8 choppers already on the ground. Sitting in the back of the Blackhawk without a headset to listen to the two pilots, medic and crew chief that fly the missions, I had no idea what was going on.

It did not take long, however, for reality to sink in, when we touch down about a minute later some 30 kilometers (about 19 miles) southwest of Fallujah. About a dozen men from the 82nd Airborne came running at our chopper as though we were bring them casualties. Usually, it's the other way around.

Minutes later an ambulance pulls up to the chopper with a very badly wounded young soldier inside. We happened to have on board this mission a visiting Air Force Flight Surgeon. He and the medic quickly start working on the wounded man, whose head wound is clearly serious. Within minutes, the doctor's performing CPR and the medic is trying to clear breathing tubes, which have filled with blood. This soldier is barely alive.

Under normal circumstances, the team would have flown to the 28 CSH Hospital in Baghdad, where there's a state-of-the-art medical facility for U.S. troops. But a Chinook filled with wounded had run out of fuel while landing there just moments before, leaving the landing pad unable to take any new helicopters until the crippled chopper was moved.

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20031102-103706-1836r
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 11:24 PM
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12. with 16 existence-challenged innocent soldiers
who were victimized in an unprovoked terrorist attack.
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jburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 11:26 PM
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13. I had a hard landing once on an airplane
It was a hard landing just like this one in Iraq, only nobody fired a missile at us and we didn't blow up and nobody was seriously injured and nobody was killed.

But other than that, it sounds like a hard landing to me.

:eyes:
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aeon flux Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 11:27 PM
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15. Hard landing?
It was blown to bits.



A crane lifts the debris of a U.S. Chinook helicopter that was struck by a missile and crashed in central Iraq on Sunday. Associated Press photo by Khaled Mohammed
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 01:11 AM
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16. CNN has out-fauxed Fox in the last month or so
No joke, it's been really really REALLY weird how all the sudden they've gone into 100% propaganda mode.

I know others have mentioned this, but we really need to do something about this.

What? They need to be shut down. All of them. Class action lawsuits. Something.

It's really fucked up.
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