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Some Moran Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 12:48 AM
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Ontario DUers: The Liberals had it coming regarding the deficit...
They started that whole "cooking the books to hide the deficit" crap to make the NDP look bad. Then the NDP did it to Harris. And now Eves did it to McGuinty...

Sad isn't it.

I'm a New Democrat though anyways...hehe
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Holly Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 12:54 AM
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1. pay back time
McGuinty in his moral outrage over the deficit was almost funny. Oh well, it gives him the perfect excuse not to follow through on any campaign promises. :eyes:
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 12:55 AM
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2. Well if you're NDP
you can count on never being elected in Ontario again.
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Holly Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 12:58 AM
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3. That's the truth
not even official status.I'm a liberal myself.
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 01:07 AM
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4. Why?
What lead to the NDP's demise?
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 01:36 AM
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5. Bob Rae!! n/t
and the fact they already have a Liberal party
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 01:46 AM
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6. Why is it only the right which dares institute radical change these days?
Rae squandered the Ontario New Democrats' chance of a lifetime by governing like a moderate liberal, despite an overwhelming majority. Then the Harris Conservatives took over and it was a bloody revolution.
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 01:59 AM
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7. Yup...
I have wondered the same thing about these democratic/social democratic/third way phonies...same thing anywhere...Mitterand, Ontario, Saskatchewan, BC, Shroeder, Clinton, Blair, (the fix is in?)...

Rae came in with promises of universal dental care and public auto insurance...backed off both.
In hindsight, the debt would be as bad as it is, folks in Ontario would have cheaper insurance and cheaper dental care.

That is why I put absolutely NO credibility in any of the Dem candidates health care reform...at a certain point you think, 'well they're just cynically getting poor sick and desperate people to vote for them'




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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 02:08 AM
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8. Third Way phonies - just more cats ruling mice
Reminds me of the story by the NDP's patron saint Tommy Douglas, "Mouseland." It's not copyright, and I'm sure he'd have been happy to see it reproduced in full, so here it is:

Audio of Douglas telling the story, with an introduction by his grandson Keifer Sutherland, can be heard here:
http://www.saskndp.com/av/douglas/mouseland.audio.html

It's the story of a place called Mouseland. Mouseland was a place where all the little mice lived and played, were born and died. And they lived much the same as you and I do.

They even had a Parliament. And every four years they had an election. Used to walk to the polls and cast their ballots. Some of them even got a ride to the polls. And got a ride for the next four years afterwards too. Just like you and me. And every time on election day all the little mice used to go to the ballot box and they used to elect a government. A government made up of big, fat, black cats.

Now if you think it strange that mice should elect a government made up of cats, you just look at the history of Canada for last 90 years and maybe you'll see that they weren't any stupider than we are.

Now I'm not saying anything against the cats. They were nice fellows. They conducted their government with dignity. They passed good laws--that is, laws that were good for cats. But the laws that were good for cats weren't very good for mice. One of the laws said that mouseholes had to be big enough so a cat could get his paw in. Another law said that mice could only travel at certain speeds--so that a cat could get his breakfast without too much effort.

All the laws were good laws. For cats. But, oh, they were hard on the mice. And life was getting harder and harder. And when the mice couldn't put up with it any more, they decided something had to be done about it. So they went en masse to the polls. They voted the black cats out. They put in the white cats.

Now the white cats had put up a terrific campaign. They said: "All that Mouseland needs is more vision." They said:"The trouble with Mouseland is those round mouseholes we got. If you put us in we'll establish square mouseholes." And they did. And the square mouseholes were twice as big as the round mouseholes, and now the cat could get both his paws in. And life was tougher than ever.

And when they couldn't take that anymore, they voted the white cats out and put the black ones in again. Then they went back to the white cats. Then to the black cats. They even tried half black cats and half white cats. And they called that coalition. They even got one government made up of cats with spots on them: they were cats that tried to make a noise like a mouse but ate like a cat.

You see, my friends, the trouble wasn't with the colour of the cat. The trouble was that they were cats. And because they were cats, they naturally looked after cats instead of mice.

Presently there came along one little mouse who had an idea. My friends, watch out for the little fellow with an idea. And he said to the other mice, "Look fellows, why do we keep on electing a government made up of cats? Why don't we elect a government made up of mice?" "Oh," they said, "he's a Bolshevik. Lock him up!" So they put him in jail.

But I want to remind you: that you can lock up a mouse or a man but you can't lock up an idea.

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