If Dean wins, our Bush is a drunk argument is moot.

[Renew Deal]

"What's This? Howard Dean Is Also a Reformed Drunk"

Posted by the ChronWatch Founder, Jim Sparkman
Tuesday, November 04, 2003


How many times has the S.F. Chronicle reminded us that George Bush is a reformed drunk? While they grudgingly admit that this is a ''good thing'' from a human point of view, the implication is that you may not want to entrust any really important matters to such a person. Now we learn that the Chron's favorite candidate, Howard Dean, has a remarkably similar background. I guess that admission will end those stories in the Chron. Maybe.

This item is from the LowDown section of the New York Daily News, written by Lloyd Grove.

For his soon-to-be-published campaign manifesto, ''Winning Back America,'' Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean takes a confessional approach. He describes his privileged preppie upbringing, his youthful drunken behavior, and his occasional adventures in petty theft.
''So I quit. Drinking served no useful purpose in my life, and I just got tired of it. I haven't had a drink in over 22 years.''

http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=4941
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This looks like it is from a right wing source. It is about 3 hours old. I think that they are slimeballs, but this is also another reason to be wary of Dean. Deaniacs will say he is reformed. Well you guys don't let Bush* off the hook for it. Have at it.

[AWD]

1. Yet more flame bait.....

[Renew Deal]

2. I brought up a legitimate but ugly issue.

We will have to address this.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

5. well, this is the problem with putting up one rich aristocrat against

another. I doubt it will be an issue, just like Bush's alcoholism isn't an issue.

[Bombtrack]

13. It's in no way a flame bate

We want a biographical contrast to Bush, and the fact that he, Dean, and Kerry were all spoiled upper class Yalies who were drunks/users/partiers for the lions share of there teens, twenties, and thirties on there parents dime is a very important issue.

At least Kerry had a good reason to be "four sheets to the wind"(his own words) considering he spent almost a year in living hell and time on Nixon's enemies list following college.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

26. Kerry was no drunk

and, quite the contrary, he had his shit together eons before either of the 2 bona-fide drunks.

[Bombtrack]

36. he said he was in the Joe Klein article

he said that up into his thirties he was "four sheets to the wind"

[slinkerwink]

3. bush is drinking again

Dean is not.

[DrFunkenstein]

4. I Know Dean Went Through Hell

As someone who has alcoholics in the family, has been to the meetings, watched people go through detox - it ain't pretty. I may not like the guy much, but you'll never hear me utter a word over this.

Now Captain Cokehead in the office, the one who sent people to death row for crimes he himself committed...

[Bombtrack]

22. Believe me it's not quite as hellish when you're rich

He very well could have had a great time for the most part up until the end.

There is a sharp contrast to the way rich addicts and poor addicts end up. People like Dean had plenty of responsible and resourceful people and influences in his life that would have made it easier to ease him into recovery.

That kind of thing is completly lost on right wingers however. The tools of coping and connections of lives paths

[gWbush is Mabus]

6. dean drank a lot in his youth

but i do not believe that he was an alcoholic

[dsc]

7. Let us define similar

Bush quit drinking in 1988, at age 40, and after several consequences that he had ignored (including a DUI). Dean quit drinking in 1981, at a significantly younger age (32), and with no consequences. In addition there is wedding video of Bush drinking as recently as 1991. There is no such thing for Dean. There is other significant evidence of Bush drinking including the pretzel incident. Nothing like that exists for Dean.

[Brian Sweat]

12. Do you really believe Bush quit drinking at 40?

Do you really believe he isn't drinking right now? At least Dean looks sober.

[dsc]

17. No I don't

hence I mentioned the wedding video which I am very sure showed him drinking.

[WilliamPitt]

8. Oh for Christ's sake

This is nuts. Some of the Dean zealots make me not like Dean (can't help it). But the ever-expanding ranks of the anti-Dean zealots make me want to find Howard and give him a big hug. I'm insane now. Thanks. You've all made me insane.

Insane. WOOGIE OOGIE OOOGIE BOOGA BOOGA JOBBA JOBBA NERF NERF NERF NERF BLERG BLERG WUBBA WUBBA SNURF BLUG SNUH.

See that? Your fault.

[Renew Deal]

11. I am not an anti Dean zealot. It comes up 1st on google.

Google news about Dean.

[WilliamPitt]

25. No it doesn't

Nice try. It comes up first if you search "Dean drunk," though. :eyes:

[Renew Deal]

30. It just changed.

It is second to a story that came up 12 minutes ago.

Searched news for howard dean. Results 1 - 10 of about 5,370. Search took 0.19 seconds.

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Howard Dean Blazes Through Jacksonville
News4Jax.com, FL - 12 minutes ago
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Presidential politics came to Jacksonville as Democratic front-runner
Dr. Howard Dean visited supporters at a local campaign fund-raiser. ...

What's This ? Howard Dean Is Also A Reformed Drunk
ChronWatch.com - 4 hours ago
... Now we learn that the Chron's favorite candidate, Howard Dean, has a remarkably similar
background. I guess that admission will end those stories in the Chron. ...

[WilliamPitt]

33. Right

You had to search for it. Before, you said 'Google news' as if it came up all by itself as a headline.

'K.

[bicentennial_baby]

32. Actually

If you go to Google News and type in "Dean" the story is on the first page, not first in the list of articles. I think it's the 2nd from the bottom.

[Khephra]

28. BEST POST OF THE DAY, my man, Will!

Get down in the politics forum a bit more. You make sense now, but after a few days down there you will lose it totally. This is only the first layer of hell when it comes to Anti-Dean posts.

[WilliamPitt]

34. I'll pass, thanks, you DINO scumbag

:)

[Township75]

9. Too Bad, that Bush = Drunk worked so well the first time...

maybe we can retry the same failed game plan again and again and again...and then again and again.

[On the Road]

31. Hey, The "Bush Arrested for Drunk Driving" Revelation

cost Bush the election. Remember that? It was HUGE.

[quinnox]

10. I don't like this but

I will ignore the post to say if Dean does win it will unfortunately probably mean 4 more years of Bushie boy, but it will not have anything to do with the subject here.

[billbuckhead]

18. Petty theft? And then his son gets busted for B&E?

Is this the best candidate we can find?

[Faygo Kid]

14. What crap. Bash Dean for something meaningful.

The issue is neither Dean's nor Bush's drinking many years ago. I DID let Bush "off the hook" for it. Is this the best we can do? Oh, by the way, I smoked some pot in college, in the early '70s. OK, now YOU have at it.

[Freddie Stubbs]

15. Since that arguement worked so well last time...

[wryter2000]

16. It's wary

Weary is what I am of Dean bashing.

[Renew Deal]

21. Thanks

:toast:

[Nashyra]

29. If * says that everything he did in his "childish" stage

up to say forty, is off limits then anything that any other candidate did that they are not proud of should be accorded the same respect. If not they should all have a prepared question about * doing something wrong when he was younger and say they will have an expalnation after the * gives his. If he says "it has already been fetted" then our candidate gets the same pass.

[jburton]

19. sounds pretty bad!!!

Must be a horrible dark secret if he's writing it in his book.

:eyes:

[Renew Deal]

23. Bush talked about it publicly...

and we still bring it up. Wasn't Bush's DWI in VT or NH?

[charlie]

20. Eh

I rarely drink anymore, probably consume less than a sixpack in a year. Though I did have some raging good times when I was younger, I lost my taste for alcohol. I was never a drunk, never felt the compulsion to drink. From this account, it sounds like Dean just got bored with it like I did. Bush, on the other hand, was a drunk, he was out of control. So how does Dean have a "remarkably similar background" to Dubya's? That's really s-t-r-e-t-c-h-i-n-g the definition of a "reformed drunk."

[pnorman]

24. I'm a long way from being a Dean supporter

or even an apologist for him (Kucinich is My Man). But what's being described here is an experience shared by an awful lot of people. "Show-offish" excessive drinking is pretty much a Rite of Passage. But Dean apparently 'wised up' at marriage. More importantly, he didn't draw a veil of "youthful indescretions" prior to his 40th birthday. FAR more importantly ... (fill in the crack-head chicken-hawk cheer-leading PARASITE details here].

(Haven't had a drink myself for twenty THREE years).

[CMT]

27. the difference is that Dean did quit

but Bush I'm not so sure about. :)

[Skinner]

35. This is flame bait.

I'm locking.