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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 04:51 PM
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I have to spill all of this out!
It just dawned on me last night. First of all, that tragic helicopter attack in Iraq that just added to the casualty list, CBS chickens out on showing the Reagan miniseries, the wimpy Senators who didn't bother to show up to try to stop the 87.5 Billion Dollar giveaway, and now we may have a draft soon!Also, I find out that more people lost their jobs last month but they are telling us the economy is getting better! (uh yeah right!) Along with all of the other b.s. that has been going on in the last three years, I get a very grave feeling that Bush and his crime family are going to scuttle the 2004 elections and things may have to get worse before they can get better.


Honestly, I fear that things could get rough for us liberals and those on the left. I actually have a bad feeling that if people do speak out more and more, they will tighten the grip on power further and we could have violence in the streets. Of course, it will be the right-wingers that will incite the confrontation and we'll have to defend ourselves. When people like Anne Coulter, Bill O'Reilly, and even the Shrub talk about how freedoms should be limited and that people who do not tow the government line should be imprisoned, then you know that their actions may not be far behind.


Right now, I am truly scared about everything. I got laid off in July and not far off from losing everything. I hate what has happened in the last three years. I came close to crying last night. I cannot see any light at the end of the tunnel and I will not stay in America if there is another four years of this insanity. I don't even think there will be an America left after another four years of these fascists.

John
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 04:53 PM
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1. Beat BBV then we take our country back
http://www.andystephenson.com/index2.html

Join in and help me win...You live in Washington...Join the truthtroopers. Then we will have a looksee into the blackbox.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 04:54 PM
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2. Welcome to America Under A Bush.
Everything I dreamed of and MORE, is bursting the dams under the bush regime.
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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 04:54 PM
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3. One example you left out...
As promised in the previous post, here's a copy of the letter about possible voting irregularities in Mississippi today which Secretary of State Eric Clark sent today to Attorney General Mike Moore and the state's two US Attorneys.

The irregularities include reports that poll watchers are videotaping voters in predominantly black neighborhoods.

-- Josh Marshall

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/
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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 04:57 PM
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7. Oh for chrissakes!
I didn't hear about that one! That is just bogus!! These guys already probably have the gubernatorial elections in Louisiana and Kentucky stitched up too!



"This is not America...sha la la la!"

John
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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 04:55 PM
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4. I'm feeling your fear...
I've had fears like this from the moment I heard that * was going to run for President. I knew that far back if he made it in to the White House that things would be really bad. I've been sick with this fear since late 1999.

I say cry if you need to. If nothing else, the release helps get rid of some of the awful feeling in your gut.
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areschild Donating Member (952 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 06:22 PM
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18. I, also, knew
that if Bush got in it would be disastrous. I had this sick feeling in my gut that everything would be worse than we could imagine. I tried to tell people, but no one would listen. In fact, they would get angry and refuse to talk about it. I was on a Psychic list, and people got upset and threatened to leave whenever I mentioned the SOB squatting in the WH. I chose to leave, instead.

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areschild Donating Member (952 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 06:23 PM
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19. I, also, knew
that if Bush got in it would be disastrous. I had this sick feeling in my gut that everything would be worse than we could imagine. I tried to tell people, but no one would listen. In fact, they would get angry and refuse to talk about it. I was on a Psychic list, and people got upset and threatened to leave whenever I mentioned the SOB squatting in the WH. I chose to leave, instead.

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areschild Donating Member (952 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 06:23 PM
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20. I, also, knew
that if Bush got in it would be disastrous. I had this sick feeling in my gut that everything would be worse than we could imagine. I tried to tell people, but no one would listen. In fact, they would get angry and refuse to talk about it. I was on a Psychic list, and people got upset and threatened to leave whenever I mentioned the SOB squatting in the WH. I chose to leave, instead.

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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 06:29 PM
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21. You know it's funny but...
when they made the announcement that the Supreme Court was giving the presidency to Bush, my heart just sunk and I just went blank. I later just had a bad feeling abou this whole. We had relative peace and prosperity for 8 years and than all of this crap. I just had a weird feeling about it all. My recent gut feeling now indicates that things are going to get damned worse. If you cannot feel it then you don't have a pulse.


John
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 04:55 PM
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5. I share your trepidation
Don't be scared.

Be strong.

Scared people walk right into the ovens (or whatever it will be this time around).

Strong people resist.
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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 05:07 PM
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9. Scared people walk right into the ovens?
Do you really think they went willingly? (Not at gunpoint)
Do you really thing they just said, I'm to scared to resist? (Sure just toss me and my family in)
You can't really believe that?
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 04:56 PM
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6. I felt exactly the same way during the Raygun years....
And I agree, these are frightening times. Corruption runs rampant and virtually unchecked at the highest levels of government, and behind the scenes.
The right-wing-nuts seem to have the loudest and most commanding voices (save for a few bright shining folks like that blessed Ragin' Cajun Carville) and people don't seem to have the patience/intelligence to listen to real news or anything beyond pithy, feel good sound bites (a la Raygun's "America is back, standing tall.")
I think the best answer is action...getting truly involved at your local level can be a great way to stave off malaise, and possibly even make a difference!
If we give up before we start, we deserve what we wind up with!
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 05:50 PM
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15. this is way, way worse than the Reagan years
Reagan was just a warmup for this.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 06:58 PM
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23. you are right...Reagan did not have the voting machines...
chimpass* does....
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 05:00 PM
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8. ((JOHN))) Hang in there!
Edited on Tue Nov-04-03 05:01 PM by mzmolly
It's gonna be ok. Molly Ivins is great for a pick me up. She reminds us of how far we've come in so little time. Please get the financial help you need. If you have to call the local Churches do it! That's why people donate their 10%, to help others.

Think about the civil rights movement and how short of a time things can change.

Peace

PS me and mine have shed a few tears, its alright to do so.
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LastKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 05:12 PM
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10. "A little rebellion...
...from time to time... is as natural as lightning"

-Thomas Jefferson

it is when there isnt any for a large ammount of time when you get the big one... and... it looks like the storm is building, and building fast. i sadly predict bush will win a second term due to 'irregular voting' and the draft will be brought back... among other things. america is going to hell in a handbasket.

as for bush? i and many others predicted this sort of thing the days following the supreme court ruling. the only thing that allowed him to take these powers was 9/11... and to use such an event for personal benefit is in itself a moral crime.

-LK
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 05:13 PM
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11. I think you've summed up the coming months very well

Go ahead and cry.

Then join the Resistance.
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DoubleYellowDog Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 06:55 PM
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22. What resistance?
Is that allowed in America? Armed or posterboard?
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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 05:44 PM
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12. I don't know what to do either and I too cry. But here is something
that i thought about. If we would only learn to sacrifice ourselves. Stop buying the luxaries that the corporate-monopolist sell us and indoctrinate our children with. Save every penny you can. Learn to trade item like toys, clothes, etc. with friends and neighbors. Learn to make things. Pretend we are in a survival era and the enemy is all around us. Cut back on entertainment...movies, sports ( except for school sports), read books and trade with friends. Stop buying a new car everytime the old one gives a little trouble. Teach our children to sacrifice and show compassion. Read for to educate yourself and your family. The economy will suffer, but we are all suffering right now and for great purpose. But keeping money out of the money-grubbing hands of the neocon monopolists will lessen their ability to buy intimidation and weaken their facist agenda. It could work, but it would take real courage and cooperation. It would be like the 'silent treatment' that spouses sometimes use. Most of the neocons say they hate the government anyway so why should we care about an economy that is really a welfare state for the wealthy. There really is no such thing as American capitalism. It's really American monopolism subsidized by government. There is hardly a venture that is begun in the nation by the private sector without the help of government in the form of tax breaks, subsidies, protectionist laws, and regulations and deregulations. No drug comapany has developed a new drug in the last 30 years that wasn't subsidized and researched, risk free, by our government. People need to learn the facts. Our government underwrites everything for BIG BUsiness and such businesses are underwritten by government...we call it "bail outs."

It would take months to spread the word and possible a year to make our boycott (for lack of a better word) felt. But just think how healthy you child would be without a coke or pepsi and a Micky D's.
i say we can do it!

Tell mey why not. At the very worst we would end up with some money in the bank.
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 05:47 PM
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13. We're going to win. You guys are not alone.
Edited on Tue Nov-04-03 05:48 PM by Screaming Lord Byron
Beyond America's borders forces are mustering. Look to London during Bush's visit. Let that be the start of the way back. This is about more than America. This is about the world. We're with you.
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October Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 06:06 PM
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17. Wow, I needed to hear that....
I was scrolling through...thinking how can I help John's spirits, when my own are down?

Friends, family -- everyone seems to be on the Bush* Bandwagon. It's demoralizing. Sure I have friends who feel as strongly as I do (and my wonderful husband too), but...no converts as yet... Media is deafening in its support of * -- it can be exhausting.

Than along comes your message. Thanks so much Screaming Lord Byron. Your message meant a lot.

I wrote to Helen Thomas once while feeling some despair...she reminded me that this country had been through a lot, and that I should trust democracy. (That was before her "worst president ever" comment.) Still...I remain hopeful that she still sees things this way. There have been worse times...but it's not been this bad in a while, so we have to look waaaaaay back, and none of us wants to go there.


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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 05:48 PM
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14. With all due respect
Edited on Tue Nov-04-03 05:50 PM by info being
Get it out of your system...cry your eyes out...and then take a break from this place. I sometimes break down and cry over the very things you feel...but I can tell you that you have to get outside and go for a walk. Look at the world right around you and don't let this place, or the TV, define what reality is. Reality is the birds flying by, the people on the street, and the sunsets. It isn't all bad.

And then when you're feeling up to it you'll come back to your job search with a renewed attitude.

Sorry, I know that wasn't much help.

And of course your politics are important...but don't let your passion destroy your life. Vote your concious and speak you mind, but it doesn't require 100% of your time.
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damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 06:05 PM
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16. The problem with leaving America because of this insanity is ...
that there is no guarantee that the WORLD can survive this American insanity. Still, I understand the impulse. I have no doubt that the Bushistas would pull another coup if they could -- but I do question their ability to do so. I worry not so much that they will scuttle the elections altogether as I do that they might: (1) try to pull off another 'event' to up their standing; (2) rig the elections through BBV, Florida-style tactics, and so on; or (3) if they lose the election, refuse to turn over power. Our system of government has rested on the assumption that those who have been voted out of office will, in fact, vacate that office at the designated time. That does not always happen around the world, but we trust that it will here. But might they not pull off such a coup. In that regard, the political purge of upper echelons of the military is even more ominous. But would the troops support such an effort?

Are these fears paranoia? Hey, remember who we're talking about: the Bushistas.
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