ROCK THE VOTE FORUM THREAD #3 (7PM ET -- CNN)

[goobergunch]

Since the other one seems to have gone bye-bye....Continue here, please!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=648433">Thread #2

[Khephra]

1. Dunno what happened

Dean started to get the crowd to warm up to him more with comments on Nixon and teaching. I hope he gets a couple more chances to build on the last two questions.

[squanto]

Whatever Nixon did...

He's dead now.

[in_cog_ni_to]

2. CMB

Bait and swith by Bush. Excellent!

[Clark Can WIN]

10. I've heard Clark use that for ages

Starting from before he was running. Also heard Kerry use it too.

Describes it perfectly.

[squanto]

3. Lieberman does have impressive civil rights credentials

and he is Jewish...

[Some Moran]

4. You know what...

I really hope one of the candidates has the guts to start referring to the Bush Administration as the "Sadministration".

[imax2268]

5. What about the Tawana Brawely case...

I wish someone would ask Al about that one...since he's so pissed at Dean for the flag comment...didn't he accuse "white" police officers of covering it up...?

To me that sounds like bigotry...or am I wrong...?

[squanto]

15. but white police officers do

Blacks have suffered from whitey for years. Dean's comments will not serve him well.

[w13rd0]

16. Not only that...

...but hasn't he endorsed a few Republicans? d'Amato or something?

[caledesi]

40. Al d'Amato? Who is now living w/ his gay lover in Nantucket

and have adopted a child? Hello? He is a Republican.....am I missing something here?

[caledesi]

42. Al d'Amato? Who is now living w/ his gay lover in Nantucket

and have adopted a child? Hello? He is a Republican.....am I missing something here?

[ronzo]

17. Fight fire with fire?

Somebody get Howard on that...

Seems silly to me, it would do more harm than good, dontcha think? :shrug:

[Cha]

31. NO ...you are damn straight! sharpton thinks he can say

what he wants and no one will bring up the tawanna brawley imbroglio for sure.

[caledesi]

49. Zid, that is so true. Al, "the untouchable".....he is disappointing me

tonight.

[imax2268]

50. That's what I thought...

I remember him saying all kinds of stuff...white this white that...

no offense Al...but I wouldn't talk about bigotry if I were you...

[BuckeFushe]

38. Sharpton DID JAIL TIME for protesting in Puerto Rico about the

bombing range. Was that a felony, and doesn't a felony PRECLUDE you from even running for President?

[DemPopulist]

Is it just me, or

...didn't a lot of Dean supporters like Sharpton until recently? :shrug:

[Hep]

90. More like

I found him entertaining and engaging. Don't really know if I like him or not. But he was gaining much ground for the last several months. Until this thing.

Are you faulting Dean fans for feeling like that?

[proud patriot]

6. Link to threads 1 and 2

1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=647959
2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=648433

[imax2268]

7. I think that ones locked...

[proud patriot]

24. Yes , it's for those who read these threads later

so they can find them :hi:

[robsul82]

8. Here comes "son of a mill worker..."

"I was born in a small town..." Give it up, Johnny.

Later.

RJS

[Khephra]

12. Isn't Edwards saying a lot of the same things Dean was?

.

[killbotfactory]

18. But Eddy's one of "us people" while Dean is one of "you people"

[Khephra]

21. Which makes no sense

Because the Southern Democrats have to go to Northern states and play the same game too.

[caledesi]

52. Good point khep...but, you always do have good points!

You rock!

[killbotfactory]

13. "And wore duct tape for shoes..."

"walked up hill both ways to school"

[Khephra]

Edwards used "Zell Miller" as a code phrase

But he was talking about getting the same group of people as voters because you can't win without crossovers, right?

[THUNDER HANDS]

27. why can't I stop laughing at that

I probably shouldn't. But the combination of that "quote" and Jack Nicholson has me rolling. :7

[caledesi]

70. Was he born in a log cabin? LOL! Seriously, I like Edwards

It was his vote for the war that turned me off.

[La_Serpiente]

9. Gosh, these answers are so awesome

I think the Democratic nominee, whoever it is, should take note here. I think people like CMB and Kucinich have a thing called vision. The other candidates have vision also, however, theirs is very apparent.

And perhaps Kerry deserves more speaking time.

[Julien Sorel]

11. Edwards really smoking today.

[robsul82]

14. He dogpiled on Dean...

...low, low class John. Reeeeeeeeeally smoking.

Later.

RJS

[squanto]

23. Dean was stereotyping Southerners

Edwards was only standing up for them.

[Clark Can WIN]

25. Geez, all Dean had to do was apologize for

coming off as insensitive. He decided not to. I think it was a bad decision for him.

[Hep]

44. What's to apologize for?

What annoys me is that Dean didn't point out that he was using imagery. It was metaphorical. He wasn't making a broad statement about white rural southerners. It was a NON comment, and he should have pointed that out.

And he should have pointed out that no one spoke up when he said the same thing seven times in four days a few months ago. This is BS, political red herring. Not a single one of those ________ that ganged up on him addressed a single issue on his platform.

And no one, even here, is mentioning that.

[Clark Can WIN]

55. Because the young black man who asked the question

was offended and asked him to. Get it?

On edit: It's about being responsible for what comes out of your own mouth and admitting when you make mistakes. (especially if you didn't mean to hurt anyone.)

It's kind of a problem we've been having in the White House lately.

[Hep]

66. You don't need to

spout that "get it" shit with me. We CAN discuss this without trying to piss each other off.

Yeah, that kid was offended. And I already pointed out the direction I think Dean should have taken. I think the kid misinterpreted what Dean said.

Man, you're being so rude I don't even want to talk to you.

[Clark Can WIN]

95. That's a relief

All I said was that all Dean had to do was apologize to the kid for coming off as insensive.

you are the one getting all emotional and blowing a gasket.

[Hep]

I'm not blowing a gasket

I'm just sick of molehills being made into mountains.

I don't think Dean has to apologize, but I think he did a bad job of clarifying what he said, which is a shame.


You just have the hate in your heart, don't you? You act like I'm the enemy or something. I recommend focusing those laser eyes of vitriol more to the right.

[CWebster]

105. Which is why Clark supporters have the reputation they do

they are actually a detriment to their candidate.

[Hep]

126. The last thing I'm going to do

is allow individual vitriol spewers keep me from objectivey looking at the candidates.

People here can talk to me any way they want to, really. What do they care that I think they're mean spireited individuals? It's not like I'm going to call them up to have a beer.

[CWebster]

98. yeah, then maybe he should asked Jesse Jackson, Jr

why he wasn't offended.

[democracyindanger]

32. Dean asked for it

It was a poor choice of words on Dean's part. 'Confederate flag' means the same thing as 'white sheet' to many folks. He stumbled, no big deal, but when other candidates take the opening he gave them, blame Dean.

[Julien Sorel]

37. Dean is simply wrong on this issue.

Sharpton explained why from the black perspective; Edwards did it from the Southern white perspective. What was he supposed to do, pretend he didn't believe what he does? Dean had his chance to eat a little crow early or a lot now; he made his choice.

[Hep]

51. Most people are going to realize

that this is a non issue. No one is talking about his platform. It all will just get dismissed as a pile-on by the others.

Which is a shame, because policies could be discussed in that forum. But apparently everyone was too busy trying to dig up dirt on him to realize that all of his positions are clearly posted on his website.

[WilliamPitt]

19. John Kerry is the class of the field.

[Clark Can WIN]

45. And Clark

of course, Will.

[WilliamPitt]

61. Yup

[in_cog_ni_to]

20. I think we are lucky

to have such intelligent candidates! I just hope it thins out...soon. It's hard for ANY of them to get a point or vision across in 1 minute.

[frank frankly]

22. Kerry was fucking awesome just then

this race is going to tighten up!

[proud patriot]

29. Kerry was great

:hi:

[chimpymustgo]

41. Edwards, Kerry, Clark - KICKING. Awesome. Wonderful.

Wow...

[robsul82]

26. Well, if SNL ever has a skit about one of these debates...

...you can just have the guy playing Edwards reach over to a boombox and play Mellencamp's "Small Town" every time someone asks him something.

Hahaha, Anderson just called Sharpton on stealing Dean's "Republican-Lite" tagline.

Later.

RJS

[Nashyra]

34. Got to give it Sharpton

"Anyone up here is better than George Bush"

[Julien Sorel]

62. He was chiding him for using his own line

about 'Republicans in donkey jackets.' Or did Dean invent that line as well?

[caledesi]

28. Don't you want to just hug Carol Mosley-Braun?

She is so sweet and so damn smart. She doesn't diss her opponents...I like that.

[proud patriot]

36. Yes

She's so awesome .

All of them are great

[Room101]

30. What poll did that whore talk about

61% can you say Manufacturing Consent

[Demonaut]

33. John Edwards "breast candidate"

OO ps did the girl who asked him the question have a big rack??

[squanto]

35. Sharpton: "young people" are dumb?

He said they don't get it or something like that.

What a slap at the audience!

[Nashyra]

48. He did not say young people are dumb

he said they don't understand because of the "Republican lite" refering to the Democrats now in office.

[squanto]

59. So because they're young that can't get it like older people?

Sounds like he was denigrating them to me.

[CWebster]

39. Edwards said Democrats had to reach out to Zell Miller

and he has the nerve to bark at Dean "We don't need YOU" because Dean seeks to include poor white trash in an effort to overcome their ignorance.

[Q]

43. Sharpton mentions 'Republican-Lite' Democrats...

...He was 'right on' with that comment...being that it's the reason the Democrats can't get out a message 'unfiltered' by the NeoDems.

[ronzo]

46. *alert* Looks like the repugs win KY's gubernatorial race

x(

[economic justice]

69. I thought they might - damn! <eom>

[in_cog_ni_to]

47. Commercial....

Who is that? "Make sure you go and rock the vote" song.

[Nashyra]

58. The 30 second adds

were all pretty good. I liked Sharton's the best, than Clark's, and Deans was pretty good.

[Cooley Hurd]

53. Oh, really bad ad by Dean...

"Bang to da beat of da drum..."
"Bang to da beat of da drum..."
"Bang to da beat of da drum..."
"Bang to da beat of da drum..."

Lame-o... Hope he didn't pay too much for it...
Plus, the video was speeded up ala Benny Hill. *snarf!!*

[robsul82]

64. Oh, lay off...

...I thought it was fine. Nothing exceptional, but it made the point.

Later.

RJS

[Cooley Hurd]

72. I guess the speeding-up effect could also be interpreted as...

...Scorsese-esque? Like he did in Taxi Driver?

[Room101]

73. I missed Dean's ad, was it that bad?

?

[Cooley Hurd]

78. I guess not too bad, but it just had a silly feel to it...

And the music was like "rave" music...

[dsc]

86. I admit it was bad

Sharpton's was great not only did it highlight his message it dovetailed well with Rock the Vote's. Second place went to Clark in my opinion. Edwards was decent. The rest were not very good at all and Dean's was close to the worst.

[ErasureAcer]

54. Kucinich's commercial was easily the best

did you hear the crowd react too?

wooo...

good stuff.

www.kucinich.us

[tishaLA]

56. Lieberman: best sex education is

guilt.

[squanto]

68. There is no "right to serve in the military" n/t

[caledesi]

85. Did you notice his hands looked hairy? LOL!

[TheReligiousLeft]

57. Best Debate Ever!

Dennis just busted out his rap video, but then Dean's video blew it out of the water.
But, at any rate, they are pandering to my peeps! Hu ya! They feel more real, or at least they feel different! It feels good!

[robsul82]

60. "Make sure Bush has all his stuff out and change the locks..."

HAHAHAHA, nice one, Al.

Later.

RJS

[Nashyra]

65. Loved that line

Go Al

[cally]

63. Sharpton just won the debate...again

First thing he would do in the white house is to make sure all of Bush's stuff was out and that the locks were changed

[ErasureAcer]

77. Kucinich/Sharpton ticket

do I need to start a site demanding one?

[squanto]

84. Or A Sharpton/Kucinich ticket? n/t

[ErasureAcer]

93. that could work

:)

[Demonaut]

91. We're not ready for a Dennis Kucinich

No, Dennis has great values but we need some middle ground, no way he'll get any republicans to vote for him...

[WilliamPitt]

67. CLARK STANDS UP FOR GAYS IN THE MILITARY

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[robsul82]

71. SWEET!

...and then he says "Don't ask, don't tell" works in some instances? Hmm...

Later.

RJS

[Nashyra]

75. A great answer about Gays in the military

He is a very fair and thoughtful person.

[killbotfactory]

76. Nice one by Clark.

Good job.

[Khephra]

81. Sorta stands up Will

He was all over that issue and wants to study it first before he makes up his mind on "Don't ask, don't tell".

[squanto]

74. There is not a "right to serve in the military" per se.

[WilliamPitt]

82. Sure there is

You have the right to love your country and volunteer for its service. Your country does not have a right to discriminate against your desire to do so.

[squanto]

94. Of course

But there is no right to express that love or that committment to service in the military. Just like there is no right to be a cop or fireman for example.

[Nashyra]

83. Kerry's response is good, very good.

A tombstone that reads "they gave me a medal for killing a man and a discharge for loving a man"

[WilliamPitt]

79. KERRY STANDS UP FOR GAYS IN THE MILITARY

"My country gave me a medal for killing a man, and gave me a dishonorable discharge for loving one." - a tombstone in DC

Class of the field.

[Rowdyboy]

118. This quote comes from Leonard Matlovich...

I remember the sad story very well...

http://www.365gay.com/lifestylechannel/intime/months/07-july/matlovich.htm

[robsul82]

80. I just got confused...

...I turned here to type something and back to Kerry talking to hear him say, "I got dishonorably discharged for loving a man." That was really strange for a second, lol.

Later.

RJS

[Cooley Hurd]

88. You didn't hear that story?

Rove has pictures... ;-)

[in_cog_ni_to]

87. To Clark

Do you have gay friends? "Yes, I have gay friends."

To Kerry and Clark

What will you do to ensure gays have an opportunity to have and raise their families?

Kerry..."I have always fought for equality" I'm for civil unions, gay rights
Oh, I LIKE Clark! Good answer on gay rights! Touching.

[tishaLA]

112. Kerry's answer on this annoyed me

because the audience memeber--who was very cute--was asking about things like SSI and immigration issues, which marriage could offer, but Kerry went into his schpiel about civil rights, etc., which does not really answer the question.

To be fair, Clark was only nominally better, but the issues he asked, which were about sweeeping federal powers related to marriage, needed to be addressed more specifically.

[WilliamPitt]

89. I love you, Dennis. Stop yelling.

[proud patriot]

92. Kucinich "If You want to rock the vote you got to rock the boat "

another great soundbite

[ErasureAcer]

100. "if you want to rock the vote, you have to ROCK THE BOAT!"

yes, that is a great line.

You see that guy two handed thumbs up for "GAY MARRIAGE!"

Yeah, Dennis is the candidate that will rock the boat for what is just and right in this world.

People will vote for him rocking the boat.

[robsul82]

96. Kucinich would give gays the right to marry?

Bullshiiiiiiiiiiat.

Later.

RJS

[ErasureAcer]

109. Dennis doesn't compromise on what is right and what is wrong

that is why he is 50,000 times better than Howard Dean.

As Kucinich said, to rock the vote you have got to rock the boat.

Kucinich is rocking the boat.

Dean is just not standing up to equal rights when it comes to marriage.

[Kahuna]

97. Great gay rights response by Clark...

Came across as very humane. Not just as, 'that military guy.' I think he's realizing that he has to connect on more than just the military issues.

[Nashyra]

106. CMB

"I'm going to ignore the little ding dong too" Her statement was very profound, especially her starting out with "When you are born black and a woman you understand discrimination"

[in_cog_ni_to]

114. Kerry on killing animals

he killed 2 pheasants. :( He killed them for food? Hmmm grocery was closed or what?

[Khephra]

99. I really liked Dean's answer on the G/L/B/T community

But he's still having a hard ass time winning them over since that gang-on at the start.

[robsul82]

104. Definitely, definitely...

...Dean's just not having a very good day at all.

Later.

RJS

[GreenArrow]

129. Pundits will declare him the winner

in post debate analysis.

[Cha]

124. If Dean is not having a good night ..well...

I know he will only learn from it and move on.. It's all good and I know he take those pot shots.

[xultar]

101. When's the replay I'm still @ work #$*#@$@)(#$!!!!!!

[ronzo]

102. Cuba policy question to Clark.

Uh-oh

[squanto]

103. Weasel Clark--- Cold war? AFL-CIO?

Huh? I must have missed that connection.

[kiahzero]

119. AFL-CIO does a lot of stuff overseas, IIRC

What's with the "Weasel" Clark business? Filling in for Limbaugh?

[frank frankly]

120. it was a magnificent answer

"Weasel Clark"--what's your problem, squanto?

[Kahuna]

122. I guess you know more about it than he does, huh?

Yeah. Rush and Sean are real experts on the cold war compared to General Clark. :eyes:

[Rowdyboy]

128. Okay, so the shit about Weasel Clark

has left Freeperville and come to DU. Welcome, newbie!

[Cooley Hurd]

107. Clark on Cuba:

We won the Cold war because we have the AFL-CIO, Citibank, and a Polish Pope (no mention of the Gipper!!! HAHA!!). Embargoes don't work in promoting Democracies in communist countries...

[Vespasian]

108. Kerry makes a point of eating what he kills.

What about the Viet Cong, Johnny?

:P

[squanto]

110. Uh oh, "PETA is in the house!" n/t

[robsul82]

111. That was a really weird answer...

...by Clark. And Kerry says, "I'm not Howard Dean." Grrrrrrrreat.

Nice return by Dean, good going. He's swaying the crowd slowly.

Later.

RJS

[Khephra]

127. That was a great response by Dean

.

[HazMat]

113. Kerry has knocked every question out of the park.

Nice soundbite about Florida. Trotted out his lofty Dem credentials "I fought in Vietnam, I fought Nixon, I fought Reagan ".

Wow.

Whatever happens from here, Kerry has greatly improved as a candidate... really showing his liberal bonafides.

[Demonaut]

115. Killing Pheasants

Killing pheasants or making peasants, I'd take kerry any day

[squanto]

116. Bash the NRA time n/t

[Vespasian]

117. "Want an assault weapon, join the army."

Wow, a line stolen straight from Gen. Clark. Nice one, Kerry.

[robsul82]

125. Yep, there's your "class of the field."

Whoops, my line now!

Later.

RJS

[in_cog_ni_to]

121. Dean knows he's the front runner

because he has to keep picking buck shot out of his rear-end. Hahaha! Good one!

[squanto]

123. Mr. Dean! The States cannot override the 2nd Amendment

Anymore than they can the 1st Amendment. They can expand on the Bill of Rights but they cannot limit it.