I think we're dead

[Doctor_J]

We lost the KY mansion tonight, the Sacramento mansion last month. They purged thousands of our voters illegally in Y2K and got away with it, admitted before the KY election than they were planning to harrass Dem voters, and we're really helpless to do anything about any of it.

We have the most inept, incompetent, and corrupt administration in history, led my a man whose only activities are lying, fundraising and vacationing, yet who still enjoys approval ratings in the 50% range. The economy, budget, environment, and Constitution have been savaged. GWB LIHOP, is stonewalling our access to the information, and now our soldiers are dying every day just to keep up the facade. And it is off-limits to discuss any of it.

We have no representation in the mainstream media, and our "debates" are cluttered up with alot of people who can't possibly win, taking shots at each other instead of at the people responsible for the mess the country is in.

The situation is very discouraging right now.

[ScreamingMeemie]

1. Don't lose hope...yet.

There are several states with strong Democratic Governors. We can't buy into this as well. I don't see any clutter, just different viewpoints, and I also think there are a lot more disgruntled people watching these debates than ever before. Usually, most of us waited for the winner in the past. I don't see much difference. Keep the faith.

[Scairp]

2. Nope

Refuse to believe it. This is what the other side wants. They want Dems to get discouraged. Disheartened voters don't go out and vote now do they? It's so important that we keep up moral for the next year, otherwise we will be stuck with the idiot for another term. I don't think I could bear it...can you?

[La_Serpiente]

3. Don't give up yet

I know that this election cycle will be one roller coaster of an emotional ride. There will be highs and there will be lows. However, we will ride it on through to that place in the Casa Blanca soon enough.

[shirlden]

4. Nope........not dead

Wounded and bleeding, maybe, but not dead. The sheeple will begin to feel the bite of this vampire admin one day soon. When they no longer have any credit left on the cards and the job has gone overseas and they have no health benefits for their kids. The sheeple are brain dead right now, but they will wake up one day and hopefully, they don't decide to reach for their guns when they do.

:argh:

[squanto]

5. We may lose some battles but the war goes on!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, '04 looks dark and hopeless right now, I agree. BUT what am i gonna do lay down like a dog and die? No friggin' way!

[Skittles]

6. it is very discouraging, Doc

but we cannot give up; we can't.

[dfong63]

7. gut check time

how badly do you hate Bush and his ilk? really, really, really, really, ... really bad? (doonesbury)

then commit yourself to fighting them no matter how hard it gets, no matter how bad the odds look, and no matter how long it takes - whether it's 12 months or 12 years. they're not going away, even if they lose an election. they've lost before, like with Goldwater, Nixon, Bush I. but they fought their way back. when repubs lose, they don't go home and sulk and cry in their beers. instead, they grit their teeth and mutter, "when the going gets tough, the tough get going." well, maybe they do go home and cry, sometimes (Nixon, Issa). but they still bounce back.

if we want to win, then we have to be just as steadfast in the pursuit of our ideals.

and when we do eventually win, we have to be just as ruthless about tilting the system in our favor.

[mark0rama]

8. Yeah - don't get discouraged; get ANGRY.

And put your anger to work in constructive ways.

Look at the Dems in Philadelphia. They think the bug in Mayor Street's office is the work of the BushCo dirty tricks machine. Right or not, they're going to the polls to let everyone know how pissed they are.

A race that was even not long ago is currently going 2:1 in Street's favor, with 60% of the vote in.

We can do it.

[Carolina]

13. Thanks, df63

I'm just getting home. Had missed the debate and was surfing DU to catch up on the news -- all of which seems bad. Hope your pep talk helped The Doctor because it sure helped me.

We have to admit, too, that when they lose (which seems rare lately) they go underground, the work the grass roots, and heaven knows they organize. We also need to use their techniques against them. If they vidoetape or otherwise harass voters, we should videotape them doing so. Also, take an audiocassette recorder to the polls and confront the extra "poll" workers with such questions as: who are you, why are checking the voter rolls, etc. And have it all on taped after announce ahead of time that you are taping the interaction.

We don't have to get ugly and probably can't since as Molly Ivins so eloquently wrote, we are not the haters that they are (though * and his ilk are turning me into a pretty efficient hater). We have to remember that we are a mighty force, that our numbers are growing and that history shows time and again that the evildoers, like the current squatters in the White House, are ultimately overcome.

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[Cooley Hurd]

15. Clinton Admin corrupt?

Okeydoke... tell me how the Clinton Admin was corrupt. I have all night...

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[DrWeird]

25. Hey virus, I have a couple of questions.

First, what's the difference between inept and incompetent?

[Cooley Hurd]

26. The teas weren't illegal...

Neither were the Huang contributions. If they were, don't you think the reich-wing would've prosecuted someone for it? And, to address your original post, anything Bill Clinton did (um, he lied about a bj, that was about it), pales in comparison to what the present war criminal in the WH has done. Bush lied, soldiers died! Clinton lied, spermatozoa died!

[mitchum]

16. Weird that you didn't mention Reagan in that very curious...

rollcall of corrupt administrations (considering all of the indictments and all)

let me be the first to welcome you to DU (and hit alert)

[Carolina]

Clinton corrupt???!!!

The economy improving? We're quibbling over minor issues? I guess you think the daily death toll in Iraq is insignificant?

Puhleeze, get thee to a freepery post haste ..

[mark0rama]

20. Hope you enjoyed your brief visit to DU, Virus.

eom

[lancdem]

29. I think I see your point

If you're saying that our criticisms of Bush are in some ways like the RW criticism of Clinton in that many voters didn't care, you could be right.

[Cooley Hurd]

33. Criticism of Bush is for things like...

Ignoring intelligence warnings before 9/11?

Not following thru in Afghanistan (how did Osama get away)?

Lying about the threat of Iraq, plunging our country into an unecessary and illegal war and causing the deaths of 12,000 Iraqi civilians and soldiers, and over 400 US soldiers?

Versus Criticising Clinton for...

Lying about a goddamn blowjob?

Yep, people might get them confused... :eyes:

[UrbScotty]

10. Well, let's define "DEAD"

According to Merriam-Webster:

"Dead" means "Deprived of life : having died"

"Die" means "to pass from physical life : EXPIRE
to pass out of existence : CEASE"

Has the Democratic Party 'expired' or 'been deprived of life' yet? I think not.

[bearfartinthewoods]

11. couldn't you have added this to one of the other 'we're doomed'threads?

sheesh

[radwriter0555]

12. Yeah, we're forked, aren't we?

It really sucks.

[NaMeaHou]

14. I have to agree

There are too many fronts to fight in this battle, and the "leadership" doesn't even know they're in a war.

I always wondered what the saying "fools suffer gladly" meant, and now I know. Fools create the mess, and are happy about it. Others want to clean up the mess, but just get shit on.

[Some Moran]

17. Nein!

We will win!
We will win!

[Some Moran]

18. Nein!

We will win!
We will win!

[Some Moran]

19. Nein!

We will win!
We will win!

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

21. Clark, get back on 911! Please!

Graham called it a "conspiracy" - too bad he dropped out. The truth about 911 must come out. Clark, say it again - I'll give you my money and my vote if you do.

[madrchsod]

22. is there a national democratic party?

is there any leaders to go to these states and help the democrats-is there any national plan? the bush klan are far more efficent in the organization of electing people. oh well another battle lost....

[Zorra]

23. We're not dead, but

we might be if we don't kick the DLC out of leadership. They're destroying the party.

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[Isome]

28. Just get back to your allegations...

Huang & illegal contributions?...

Lay out that case, including the exact crime the last real President was charged with, the final disposition and your source of information. Don't just rattle off the laundry list of freeper allegations and act as though you've actually proven anything.

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[Cooley Hurd]

31. What did Clinton/Gore do wrong?

What were they convicted of? Still waiting...

And quoting WorldNetDaily doesn't count! :eyes:

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[Cooley Hurd]

39. "Did they know they were illegal? Maybe yes, maybe no."

Please, the whole crux of the RW's accusations about this was that some sort of espionage took place behind the scenes, which we know was bullshit. Did they know? It's been investigated ad nauseum and no one from the Clinton/Gore campaign was ever charged with anything. Nice try... Gotta NewsMax link to back up your accusations?

As far as where the Democratic Party needs to be, it needs to be poised to undo the mess Dambass has made. We as a nation are going to have to swing it to the left to counter the hard-right crash turn our country took 3 years ago.

[Trek234]

40. Weak argument

What were they convicted of? A weak argument. Watch virus turn this on you to "what was Bush convicted of? Yet you still attack him" And he will be right.

I don't like Bill or Hillary either. I think they were (are) corrupted in that they look out for number one. They have betrayed us (and hurt the party) far too much to be accepted IMO.

Bill betrayed us on a fair amount of legislation & agendas. (signing DOM comes to mind) Also while personally I don't have any problem with his sex life the fact of the matter is he did hurt the image of the democratic party. Thank god the republicans were not able to go anywhere near as far as they were hoping to with it. Bill should have NEVER given them that chance.

Hillary has been voting in support of Bush's agenda as well. That is unforgiveable. The Iraq vote was pathetic. I remember her speech in the senate. Basically "Um well I don't agree with it. I'm going to go vote for it now"

[Cooley Hurd]

41. "What was Bush convicted of?"

He's still a young man!

[Isome]

42. Wrong, it's a very strong argument.

Clinton was investigated, extensively and charged with lying about his personal sex life. When has * been investigated by an independent prosecutor?

There's nothing weak about that distinct difference!!

[Isome]

35. You're confused.

Let me try to steer you back on track. What was Clinton charged with, and what was the verdict?

If it's your contention that illegal campaign contributions happened only in Clinton's campaign, you're sorely mistaken. The Republican National Committee was forced to return an illegal $15,000 contribution from a Canadian corporation, we just weren't treated to news headlines about it.

It's also not uncommon for foreigners to try to buy influence by contributing to a party. Rupert Murdoch (now a U.S. citizen) donated $1 million to the California Republican Party in 1996, but for some reason, that liberal media wasn't interested enough to report it above the fold.

Ooops, I forgot: Simon Fireman, one of Bob Dole's campaign finance committee co-chairs, was accused of giving tens of thousands in cash to his employees, who would then write checks for that amount to the campaign. (see: NYT short wire item in news briefs column -- 4/28/96) Fireman admitted wrongdoing in July and was fined $6 million. (see: small NYT piece on page B10 -- 7/11/96). Nonetheless, Bob Dole was never charged with anything, which precludes anyone from logically claiming he's corrupt or committed a crime.

[Isome]

38. You're citing World Net Daily!!

Why must people be so transparent? Why oh' why oh' why?!!!

[aldian159]

34. you know the GOP was desperate

when for 18 months the biggest deal was monica. Everything else was great then.

[ShaneGR]

32. Dude, chilll.... Ohio is voting Dem right now... 12 months till judgement

And so did Pennsylvania....

Relax.... do you really think Kentucky or Mississippi are important to the Presidential election? And neither of those states are complete losses tonight.

Take deep breaths.

[GOPBasher]

37. You pretty much summed up what I believe.

I totally agree with everything you said, and I couldn't have said it better myself. Can we all just cry on each other's shoulders? :-(

[Scott Lee]

43. Take heart - they can console themselves by dissembling Dean

I'll bet there are some old school buddies of his that can be found to attest to his pulling the wings off flies, stuff like that....