DU Unofficial Straw Poll

[jeter]

Who will you support in the 2004 Democratic Primaries:

[jeter]

1. Keept this poll alive by giving it a kick once in a while

KICK

[jeter]

2. Come on Kerry people

Represent

[MessiahRp]

4. That's kinda rude

to make this a Dean vs. Kerry attack as you have all over the boards.. this is who everyone on DU supports not a Dean-Kerry fight.

Rp

[jeter]

6. Huh?

This is about Kerry. I wanted to give the poll a bump and Kerry had zero votes at that time. I know he has supporters here, so I wanted them to vote.

[wakfs]

3. For the first time, voted for Clark

Mostly because I'm depressed over the GOP gubernatorial victories in the south. Can we win nationally with a non-southerner leading the ticket?

Anyway, that's why I voted for Clark in this poll, instead of Dean.

[jeter]

5. That's just propoganda

I have no message, because I believe it is that kind of reasoning which leads to our losses.

[flpoljunkie]

7. No, it is called rational thinking.

Clark is my second choice, then Edwards--with Dean not even on the radar screen.

My greatest fear is that Dean might win the nomination and take the Democratic party down with him.

[jeter]

8. my greatest fear is that Kerry wins the nom

And we lose because Bush's response to everything will be "But you supported us on that Senator..."

Why would Dean "bring us down?" He does just as well as everyone else against Bush. You're argument is getting tired.

[Renew Deal]

9. Dean won't win a single state south of Virginia.

Amongs other problems. Dean does not stand with us on the issues. We have klet him pass for too long. People are starting to realize it.

[jeter]

19. not true

no way.

[flpoljunkie]

11. Kerry does best in latest head-to-head matchups with Bush;Dean worst.

Check the latest Zogby and ABC News/Washingtpost Post polls and see for yourself.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=747

The president would outpoll any of the current leading Democratic contenders if the election were held today.  He would earn 46% of the vote against retired General Wesley Clark’s 37%; would beat former Vermont Governor Dr. Howard Dean, 47% - 39%; would poll 45% against Massachusetts Senator John Kerry’s 41%; would win over Missouri Congressman Richard Gephardt 47% - 38%, and would beat Connecticut Senator Joseph Lieberman, 46% - 38%.

Will post link for the ABC/Washington Post poll results shortly.

http://www.johnkerry.com/news/releases/pr_2003_1103a.html

November  03,  2003

A newly released Washington Post-ABC news poll conducted October 26-29 confirms that Kerry polls best among the leading Democrats and is in the strongest position to take on George W. Bush, far outpolling Howard Dean and Wesley Clark. 

Matchups:
Percentage
Margin

George Bush 
50%
- 6
John Kerry
44%

George Bush 
54%
- 15
Howard Dean
39%

George Bush 
51%
- 11
Wesley Clark
40%

George Bush 
51%
- 9
Dick Gephardt 
42%

[bearfartinthewoods]

18. there's an eye opener.....i hope.

[elperromagico]

57. But get this

From the same Zogby Poll:

October 15-18
"If the election for president were held today, for whom would you vote - the Republican George W. Bush or the Democratic candidate?"
Bush - 43%
Generic Democrat - 45%
(Undecided - 12%)

"Do you think President Bush deserves to be re-elected, or do you think it is time for someone new?"
Re-Elect Bush - 42%
Someone New - 50%
(Undecided - 8%)

Damn it, they want to support us!

[DrFunkenstein]

33. Only According To Hardcore Deanies Is The IWR "Everything"

Sorry, this doesn't wash.

[Eloriel]

45. Yeah, they already use that argument, actually

So it's a no-brainer that'll be a big "defense" of theirs in the general.

Just another reason for me to be pissed as hell with all of them.

:puke:

Eloriel

[Tom Rinaldo]

14. Who is the unifying candidate?

Have you noticed that in additon to Clark having substantial support as best candidate, he is remarkably well received by many backers of virtually every other candidate? If Clark gets the nomination I believe it will be very easy for the Party to quickly unite around him for the campaign against Bush. And I don't mean in name only, I mean with activist support. He doesn't carry any of the baggage that going negative on other Democrats creates, plus he appeals to moderates because of his Southerner status, miliraty career and international experience, and to Progressives for his positions on issues. His unifying credentials in and of themselves should give grounds for some who may not currently support Clark, to make him their first choice.

[quinnox]

16. That's a good point

I am liking Clark more, especially the way he is handling himself. I would not be unhappy if he won the nomination, although he is not one of my top 3 choices. (Kerry, Gephardt, Edwards)

[_NorCal_D_]

27. Absolutely

Clark is a true uniter.

[bmbmd]

72. Exactly.

America is tired of this fifty-fifty split. Out current resident is certainly not a uniter, but Clark my well be. He is not a polarizing figure. This may explain the Arnold phenomenon-a larger than life candidate who thinks like a democrat.

[Pastiche423]

56. Unite?

The Democratic Party unite behind someone that wasn't a Democrat until two weeks after he announced?

I call that taking the party down. If he were to win the nom, I am out of the Democratic Party. The DLC can have it.

You really think the hundreds of thousands of Dean supporters are going to work for clark?

Ha!

[Woodstock]

61. He espouses all of our cherished positions

So whether he said then or now, does that make him any less a Democrat?

Would not a rose by any other name smell as sweet?

[Pastiche423]

68. The old adage

don't buy a pig in a poke, has always worked well for me.

[jayson23]

20. We've got lots of good choices

General Clark is my man, he's the first candidate I've ever donated money to in my life. He's got the potential to bring America back together, reduce the divisiveness in this country, and be a leader that makes us proud again.

However, I am pretty close to flpoljunkie in my choices overall - I'd back Edwards or Kerry as a second choice. I started out as a Dean supporter, but his "angry man" routine and his mischaracterization of other candidates' positions makes me wonder what his true motives are in this race. I just don't trust him anymore.

But of course, ANYONE BUT BUSH IN 2004!

[rucky]

49. Were the Southern GOP Winners Running Against Yankees?

Support Clark by all means, but check your strategery there.

[trogdor]

55. By doing what, exactly?

Inspiring a bunch of formerly-apathetic people to vote for him? Pointing out that there are a whole bunch of people in the South who stick Rebel flags on their trucks and/or vote for Republicans, but have no idea why? Promising to balance the budget? Opposing the Iraq war? Using the Vermont example (which worked pretty well, BTW) as a template for what he wants to do about national health insurance? For not being a Bush kiss-up? What is it? Tell us.

[UTUSN]

10. The Unreality. The Unreality.

[Brucey]

12. I like Carol,

a woman deserves some support.

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. I'm on the fence, still

between Clark and Dean. I voted for Clark in this poll only because Dean was ahead here. :)

[Woodstock]

62. Don't feel bad - I don't think you were the only one!

;)

[dofus]

15. First of all, just how representative

is DU? I have no idea.

Secondly, in a truly fair and honest election, I don't see how Bush can possibly beat the Democratic nominee, whoever that is. I simply hear, over and over, too many stories of life-long Republicans who will not vote for Bush in '04.

The real issue, the only one, in my opinion, is whether or not we have a fair and honest election next year. A minor aspect is going to be how the campaign is conducted -- I expect that a major Republican theme will be that any support of the opposition is tantamount to treason. There will also be enormous manipulation of news out of Iraq and of economic numbers to try to make it look as is the economy is just wonderful, thanks to W.

We all have to do what we can to see that there's regime change on January 20, 2005.

[jeter]

17. bump

Giving myself a kick. Keep the poll going.

[LittleApple81]

21. I don't have a primary. I don't know how this works (I am not a

native American). If I don't have a primary in my state, how is my preference for a particular respresentative of my party counted?

[Renew Deal]

22. Great question.

Call your local DNC.

[mzmolly]

23. D-D-D- Dean

:)

[bobthedrummer]

24. Kick

:dem:

[FrenchieCat]

25. Clark will win....give him 2 more weeks.....

to sell himself. This boy is a heavyweight....just what we need against lightweight Bush.

Please note that it is Clark that went up to Dean, during debate Break. I believe this was just a warning to Dean.

[_NorCal_D_]

28. Wow

:wow::wow:
Looks like a warning to me.

[indigo32]

38. Warning about what?

him including Clark as a IWR supporter?

[Renew Deal]

41. I think so.

Someone noticed he still had his jacket on so it must have been early.

[ShaneGR]

54. Who you pointing at buddy? NO! Who you pointing at? NO!

LOL, it's a pointoff!

[_NorCal_D_]

26. Clark is winning!

B-)

[mdmc]

29. my poll vote says Kucinich

but my heart says Dean.
Gen. Clark,
Keep left !!!

[MissMarple]

30. Clark er Dean, no, Clark,

:bounce:

I love choices.

[boxster]

32. I am surprised at how much they're dominating this poll, thus far.

eom

[DrFunkenstein]

35. Not Really

DU is much more anti-war than the general public.

[goobergunch]

31. kick

:kick:

[Mass_Liberal]

Dean Dean Dean

ps. DeanDean

[Capn Sunshine]

37. pps

Dean Dean Dean

[Mass_Liberal]

34. Dean Dean Dean

ps. DeanDean

[Padraig18]

36. Whoa!

Did the vacuum created by Dean and Clark sucking all the air out of the room make everyone's ears pop? :P

[CRYINGWOLFOWITZ]

39. gepfart actually got a vote?

LOL

[Zynx]

40. Is it just me or is Kucinich polling the worst he has yet here?

Also, Kerry's relative performence seems to be increasing.

Dean and Clark are seemingly both getting higher percentages as well.

[ThirdWheelLegend]

43. It all depends on..

who is on, what time of the day and that kinda crap.

The numbers are different on every DU poll.


TWL

[WindRavenX]

42. WOW

I am AMAZED at the level of Clark support...!
Kerry's only at 10%; that's weird..

[Renew Deal]

44. Well

he had one hell of a day yesterday and he wasn't playing the game with the rest of the kids.

[Eloriel]

46. Well, it is a little surprising (Kerry)

OTOH, now that I think about it, he really has only a handful of very noisy supporters here, and a few others who are here now and then.

Eloriel

[NewYorkerfromMass]

47. Not really given the IWR litmus test here

BTW the last "offical Skinner" poll I believe Kerry garnered a total of not more than 60 votes. (59 I recall)

[_NorCal_D_]

53. Hasn't it been consistently around 10%?

At least since Clark entered the race.

[JohnKleeb]

48. Knew it

Dean and Clark neck and neck,

[rucky]

50. I'm Back to Undecided

Kucinich, Dean, Clark, Kerry - all for different reasons.

I'm waiting for IA/NH/SC to make a decision.

[Egnever]

51. Very tight

lets :kick: it

[Zynx]

52. This is getting very interesting.

Kerry looks like he might top Kucinich. I must say I have been impressed by Kerry recently so he moves into my number three spot. I had Edwards there before.

[Andromeda]

58. Kick!

:kick:

[ermoore]

59. Shazam!

Yo Joe!

[Woodstock]

60. I like both Clark and Dean

torn between two candidates

I hope they team up

[Piperay]

63. Clark if

I get the chance but I live in CA and by the time the primary comes around most of the candidates have dropped out already. :-(

[jeter]

64. This is the world series of polls

Come on people...keep it going.

VOTE.

[frank frankly]

65. I support Dean, but I am going to listen until the end to them all

But Dean is getting my $$$

[RuB]

66. Dean. no Clark. no Dean. no Clark. no Dean. no Clark. no Dean. no

[Egnever]

67. Interesting that Gheps support is horid yet he is holding strong in iowa

[boxster]

70. Neither Gephardt nor Edwards seem to have a lot of support here.

Interesting.

[Adjoran]

69. I'm undecided

but I voted for Gephardt in this poll, because he isn't getting much respect around here. All those years fighting for workers' rights, job creation, concern for workers affected by trade pacts, and strong support of civil rights, sometimes even against his own President when the latter did business with the repubs, should count for something.

I favored Gore until it became 100% clear he won't stand again. My criteria for a 2004 candidate are simple:

1) I want someone with a genuine chance to win. To do that, they will have to be able to hold the northeast and Pacific west, run strongly in the midwestern industrial states, and be at least competitive in several southern states.

2) I want someone who will help, and certainly not hurt, the down-ticket. The repubs have the statistical advantage in the Senate races, with only 15 seats up vs. our 19, with several one-termers up, and Hollings, Graham, and Miller retiring. It is very important that we run well there, and hold ground or even take the House.

I have narrowed my choices to Gephardt, Kerry, Dean, and Clark. While I don't dislike the others, the campaign so far tells me they aren't going to win the nomination.

[billbuckhead]

71. 284 votes against Dean so far

Anybody but Bush in the election, anybody but Dean and Lieberman in the primary.

[RandomUser]

73. To be fair

284 votes against Dean so far

you can make similar statements about any candidate by adding up the other votes, since none of them have over 50%.

[retread]

74. My candidate is still ABB!

*

[NewYorkerfromMass]

75. SO Kerry is still at 10%

well I guess that's a "base" at DU :)