Dean against the world?

[quinnox]

As I read this forum over the past months, I get the impression that a lot of Deanies have a "It's Dean vs. the world mentality". That Dean is the only one speaking the truth, and all other candidates should get the heck out of the way. And Dean will cause a revolution in Washington should he win, the people will finally be represented instead of cronies. That Dean is the only authentic candidate of the bunch that can defeat Bush, all the Washington candidates are corrupt and not to be trusted.

Am I reading this right, do most Dean supporters feel this way?

[w4rma]

1. No. IMHO, you do not yet understand, quinnox. (n/t)

[NewYorkerfromMass]

23. Well gee, thanks for helping us understand

with that eloquent statement.

[Ficus]

2. DEAN=CULT

I think for many, not all supporters.

[jonnyblitz]

7. I notice the same with some Clark supporters..

[JohnKleeb]

18. Hi jonny

:hi:

[Ficus]

19. Agreed.

Mostly with those two...but the other candidates have their groupies too.

[absyntheNsugar]

3. Not me...but then again

I'm a fence-sitter for Dean or Clark. So you shouldn't count me.

[truthspeaker]

6. Not anymore

But I felt that way at first, when he was the only candidate speaking against the Iraq war and when Bush-Lite, I mean Lieberman, was considered the front-runner. Now I see him as the best of the candidates, but he's not a saint.

[meegbear]

4. That's pretty much it ...

these people are fanatics. QED.

[wryter2000]

5. Nope

I do believe that Dean is the best candidate, but many of the other are fine with me, too. It does seem as if Dean is exciting more people than anyone else (even, maybe especially Bush), and I'd sure like to be able to use that excitement in 2004. Maybe that's all in clever marketting, but I think after the disasters of the last few elections (even though Gore won in 2000, it was a disaster), we can use whatever tools we can get.

[Frangible]

9. same

I support Dean but will also happily vote for any of the other dems should Dean not receive the nomination.

[CWebster]

8. flamebait and

nothing more.

[Hep]

10. I can see how it would appear that way.

But first I would have to put on a special set of glasses that would filter out all of the CRAP from certain Clark, Kerry, Kucinich, et al supporters who are constantly making up ridiculous claims about Dean.

It's not Dean against the world. Right now it's Dean against lies and desperation.

[alexwcovington]

11. Hmmmm... this is flame bait

I'm a Dean supporter, but I most certainly do NOT feel that way. I'm willing to back Dean up against unwarranted attacks, but I'm not going to pick on the rest of the Dems pack because if any of them wins the nomination, they will have my vote.

We need to stick together. I just think Dean is who we need to come together around.

[wuushew]

12. Dean is not God

It should plain to everyone that Kerry's tax plan is clearly better. Also I find fault in many areas where he could be more liberal.


However unlike Kerry, Dean has not called the President a "good guy" so basically the choice boils down to an angry moderate vs. a mild liberal. Ideally an angry liberal would win but DK is not mainstream enough.

[CMT]

13. No

prior to Dean I was for Gore, if Dean is knocked out I'll be for someone else. I love these posts though which continually take swipes at Dean supporters.

[dajabr]

14. Being attacked from the Right AND Left...

From within your own Party may contribute that feeling...

And, early on, the chips were definately stacked against Dean - which may contribute to that perception.

It's been a unique and tough experience for his campaign, I would imagine. Going from long-shot to front runner in such a short amount of time. I think that would explain some of the stumbles or gaffes along the way.

Is it the only driving force of the Campaign? - No. It's always been about Dean and HIS message. The reaction of other campaigns and the Media is a seperate issue.

[Ripley]

15. No, I don't feel that way. But check out the Attack Dean threads.

You might find a few people who criticize everything and anything Dean says or does. They make no effort to understand his point. They twist his words into pretzels.

I seriously was beginning to like Edwards until last night. He can kiss a lot of white votes in the south goodbye with that stupid display.

[rogerashton]

16. We may have a movement here.

And, honestly, I don't think anyone is more surprised by that than Dean.

[indigo32]

17. Quinnox

as a former Dean supporter I'll just say "NO" to your question.

[quinnox]

20. former?

Who do you favor now?

[indigo32]

21. Check my sig line

eom

[quinnox]

26. Sorry I had sigs turned off

but I went and checked it out.

[indigo32]

27. some of em get pretty big

no big deal

[Padraig18]

24. LOL

Isn't the Clark avatar a clue? :eyes:

[DrFunkenstein]

22. The Moonie Wing Of The Dean Camp Squeaks The Loudest

But there are plenty of swell, even rational people supporting Dean. It sucks for them, because the Moonie wing has become the public face of Dean.

Spelling edit

[dajabr]

25. Wuh?

Moonie Wing?

Is that like the Kerry Waffle Chompers? Trance-like as they hold hands and chant "Howard the Coward."

On edit: :-)

[lovedems]

28. What I see in alot of Dean supporters is alot of passion

and sometimes that passion goes to far. I respect Dean because I think HE THINKS he can make a difference (I think the same can be said of Clark) and those are qualities I haven't seen in a candidate in a long time. We are all craving a change and those 2 candidates haven't been on the national playing field (they have been watching, like us, the antics of the fed. govt. and not participating i.e voting on national issues). I think that is why people are drawn to them and feel so passionately about them because we are desperate for a change. Would anything change with Gep. or Lieb.? I highly doubt it and they aren't really "bad dems".

[kaitykaity]

29. Locking.

Please see rule #4 here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=463744

4. If you wish to start a vanity thread (ie: a discussion thread in which the sole purpose is to share your personal opinion) you must state your opinion in a non-inflammatory manner which respects differences in opinion and facilitates actual discussion.

"Deanies" is inflammatory.

[Egnever]

30. Not even close

I think its more Dean for the world. He is one of a few who have been screaming to involve the rest of the globe from the begining.

From the start his campaign has been about inclusion. No candidate has taken the notion of getting the people involved in the process farther than Dean.

As a solid Dean supporter one that I am sure you think drinks Kool-aid and sings hyms of praise in his honor. I think you are blinded by your hatred for the man to the incredible changes he is making in the way politics will be conducted in the future.

I welcome the other candidates to the debate and will vote for damn near anyone of them happily. Till the primaries are over and I am forced to support anyone but Dean however, I will do everything in my power to support the guy who has shown his willingness time after time to stand up to the curent administration and call them out for the criminals that they are.

I feel absolutely no afinity to any of the candidates that voted for the IWR or the patriot act or NCLB. I will take them in a new york minute over bush. But I want someone that fights against this sort of stuff and doesnt sway acording to the political winds.

The day the others start showing leadership and actually start getting out in front of these issues instead of following behind I will take them much more seriously.


As it stands now time after time it is Dean sticking his neck out there and others saying me too! or worse trying to use his words to tear him down. Kucinich is the only other candidate I see in the race willing to take the risks and tell it like it is. I would probably be a kucinich supporter despite my many dissagreements with his policies were dean not in the race.

I am looking for someone with the guts to lead and the only candidates i see that in at this time are Dean and kucinich, with little bright spots here and there from sharpton. The rest have shown me nothing but politics as ususal so far and its a little late in the game now to start growing some nuts, not that they are doing so now.

The latest powow where they all agreed to gang up on Dean just drove another nail in thier coffins as far as I am concerned. The cowardice involved in staging a conference call to hammer out a strategy to try to bring dean down by twisting his words shows them to be cowards afraid to say anything without consulting and making sure its politically safe to do so.

Its this exact trhinking that led to many of thier votes on IWR and I am sick of it!

Dean is no angel hes got spots just like the rest of them. However unlike most of them he isnt afraid to stand up and say what he thinks is right and damn the consequences.

I hapen to agree with a lot of what he says. Which is why I choose him instead of Denis. Well that and the fact that I think Denis is way too radical to actually get elected.

In the end though its ABB this time. However if I am forced to vote for one of the enablers it will be the last time I do so.

We have an oportunity to change the face of american politics for ever with this campaing. I intend to take advantage of that oportunity and in the process enable many average joes across the nation to build on that model and bring the power in politics back to the people where it belongs.