Bush' s Pronouncement Today, And The Seperation Of Church And State

[WillyT]

On edit: From the bill signing of the Late Term Abortion Bill. Sorry...

‘The right to life cannot be granted or denied by government, because it does not come from government. It comes from the creator of life.’
— PRESIDENT BUSH

Oh really???

So I guess we can finally get rid of the death penalty, and send our troops home from Iraq, eh???

Just how close to governmental policy IS this statement by the boy king?

I mean, I know it's just a signing ceremony, but he is signing into U.S. law, a Congressional Bill based on WHAT... Again????????

So now the U.S. officially recognizes the existence of God, and seems to know what God wants?

I'm sure the founding fathers are spinning like tops right now.

Unbelieveable!!! And totally, unAmerican!

:puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke:

My tolerance of religion is being severely tested. What next, an observance of 'Flat Earth Day'???

:argh:

Ya know... These assholes probably realize how ginned up this will get their base. They probably also know that it will probably be shot down by the courts.

Which may be the idea right there. Their base will get so inflamed if this is struck down, that during this year's election cycle, you will be hearing EVEN MORE about how we have to elect rePukes to ensure a 'stict constructionist' Judiciary. The Senate Dems who voted FOR this piece of crap will roll over like puppys and piss straight into the air, ie... No more judicial filibusters.

And ya know what??? It just might fucking work!!!

FUCK!!!

[LittleApple81]

1. what about the death penalty? n/t

[stopthegop]

4. innocent vs non-innocent life..

no comparison...at least that's the line

[WillyT]

9. He Made No Such Distiction That I Could Find !!!

:grr::nuke::mad:

[stopthegop]

10. that's just the explanation

for supporting one but not the other...well known

[ieoeja]

2. Bush is pro-Choice?!?

"The right to life cannot be granted or denied by government, because it does not come from government. It comes from the creator of life."
— PRESIDENT BUSH


Does he realize he just said government cannot grant or deny the right to life because it is the mother's decision?

[tom_paine]

6. No, because Bunnypants* believes he has been appointed by the Creator

As such, his word IS the word of the Creator.

He has said just about as much (as he dares) on that topic that I am convinced that deep in my heart I believe it to be so.

Remember when it came out that Bunnypants* believed oppostion to him was treason?

What he meant to say (but Uncle Karl wouldn't let him) is that opposition to him is blasphemy.

[Brotherjohn]

7. Right. He's such a moron (or his script-writers are). Going further...

... it's not just that he said "grant". It's the entire quote! He's saying that the "right to life" is none of government's business! By saying the government can neither grant nor deny it, he is saying that he is pro-choice, but he doesn't even realize it!

I wish someone would ask him at his next press conference (probably in a year or so):
"You have said that 'right to life cannot be granted or denied by government.' Yet you said this at the very same appearance where you signed a bill granting the right to life in certain circumstances. How do you explain this inconsistency?"

Bush's brain, such as it is, would probably lock up and he'd keel over and lapse into a state of paralysis.

[helleborient]

3. Religion is not the problem...

The problem is George W. Bush and unconstitutional use of the government.

[WillyT]

12. OK... The Problem Is Not Religion, It Is The Followers Of Religion !!!

Is that better? :shrug:

Some Christians, for example, lead Christ-like lives. That is wonderful.

But the loud-mouthed, biblically literal, homophobically violent, politically active, flat earthed idiot assholes need a quick visit with Jesus so he could 'show them the errors of their ways', no???

:grr:

Editted for spelling, and anger management.

[PurityOfEssence]

20. Oh yes it is; religion is the problem

Mollycoddle it as we may by saying that it's only the practitioners, and you're effectively saying that guns don't kill people, people kill people. Religion is the blank check for intolerant behavior and unsupportable acts the way it's treated in this society. It should be kept strictly out of government in every way, because it will not tolerate being differed with and does not hold itself responsible for its actions.

Religion is the problem.

Atheists didn't crash planes into the Trade Towers.

I defy anyone to make a decent support for the evils of the blanket justification that religion provides without making some claim for sympathy based on the benefits it supposedly provides. I defy anyone to explain why a causal covenant between human beings based on our actions is not drastically compromised by unsupported beliefs that are beyond reproach. The dispensation given to religion in this society creates a privileged class and a built-in hierarchy that is undemocratic by definition.

[Kolesar]

5. Add to that Jeb Bush's gov't intervention in end-of-life issues

The government should stay out of that. Let the physicians work out the ethical issues and develop a policy.

[jedicord]

8. Bush Admits It's the Woman's Choice

Using his "thinking", he just admitted it should be the woman's choice. From where I stand - she IS the creator of life!

Sheesh!

[Malva Zebrina]

11. the Golem--life created by a Rabbi

The right to life cannot be granted or denied by government, because it does not come from government. It comes from the creator of life.’
— PRESIDENT BUSH

Cannot be "granted" or "denied" by the government? and he says this as he signs a bill that grants life to monster like fetuses? What kind of gobbly gook is this? Does this guy ever think? Does he understand what he is saying--ever? Does he have a brain?

This "creator of life " thing reminds me of something I read about a Jewish mythology coming out of Prague, Czechoslovakia--the city of mythology and intriguing tales--seems there was a rabbi there who "created life" and created a "golem"--the golem went about and created havoc (shades of Shelly's Frankenstein?

http://www.ced.appstate.edu/projects/fifthd/legend.html

[stopthegop]

13. 'monster like fetuses'...lovely...

that'll win hearts and minds...

[Malva Zebrina]

14. I do not know exactly what you mean

so I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt. You, perhaps are one of those who are "pro-life" no matter what? You also do not seem to be aware of all the accidents that can occur to the division of cells in a pregnancy. It is not pretty--this is reality. Fetuses are formed with no brain--with no nose--with no mouth--with gross deformities that make them unrecognizable as humans. I have seen them. I have taken care of them-I have wrapped a little brain in a saline soaked towel while I waited for it to die, because it was on the outside of the skull with no chance of any sort of a life, whatsoever! I have seen the monsters born without a mouth--yes that is right--without a mouth, unable to feed, and with only one eye in the middle of the forehead and even that cannot be intelligently called an "eye" and I have recoiled from the looks of many of these-and so would you-monsters is a proper word-and I know these will die shortly after they are born. This is the reality--and it is time that people stopped with the fallicies of emotion and of pity--these are not by any stretch of the imagination, human beings--they are, indeed, grossly deformed monsters.

Here are some pictures of deformities to the developing fetus. These are, actually mild compared to some I have seen--you would most likely :puke: if you saw them. They are, indeed, monsters.

http://www.spponline.org/workshops/conmal/conmal.htm#http://my.yahoo.com/

another--this deformity is called anencephaly (no brain)


and this is a blow up from the link I first provided. This is what our Christian leader and all of those pious Christians in congress who are pro life, want women to birth, no matter what.

[WillyT]

17. Right On Marianne !!!

Maybe if some of these 'abortion foes' had to deal with what you have, they might tell the rest of their 'brethren' to shut the fuck up!!!

:mad:

BTW - Thank you for being there for everyone involved in these trgedies. I can't imagine any kind of God intending this fate for anyone.

[RC]

15. Do the research,

Then come back here.

[RuB]

16. Tell me if it doesn't look like Hatch

is touching 'it'.

[regnaD kciN]

18. O.K. Try this bit of logic...

The right to life cannot be granted or denied by government, because it does not come from government. It comes from the creator of life.

O.K. Then, in the case of an individual fetus, who or what qualifies as "the creator of life?"

The answer seems obvious. That life was created by the man and woman who conceived the child. They, in fact, are the "creator(s) of life" in that specific case.

So, it would stand to reason that that man and that woman were the ones who granted that specific "right to life." Therefore, it would seem as if they also have the right to deny it. It would thus follow that the right of a man and woman to choose to abort a fetus they themselves created should not be "denied by government, because it did not come from government."

Just playing Devil's Advocate, here...

[WillyT]

19. I'm Likin' It !!!

People smarter than I, went immediately to Woman as the creator. I wish I had said that. But, sadly I'm not that smart, I'm just a man.

:shrug:

[Kinkistyle]

21. Exactly what I thought: he must be pro-choice.

When I read that line, I also thought about the mother and father. That bill would get shot down the first day it is taken to court.

- Ok, so who is the "creator of life"?

- Uh, god?

- and you know this, how?

[Phatfish]

22. good words Bush

then by "creator of life" does he mean me? Because my children have 0% chance of being created without the infussion of my sperm with that lucky young (or old :) ) lady's egg. I mean common! CC's claim that they understand God's plan and goals for us, but when the shit hits the fan - God is never spoken of. Where was God when 3 planes hit 3 different building and ended the lives of 3000 people. These fundamentalists need to keep God in their home and in their Church and keep it out of my life. Many very smart theists agree that there is little good to behad when God and the government get intertwined.