Just wait until this "treasonous memo" BS really starts taking off

[ComerPerro]

You know, the crap that Hannity is ranting and raving about. It is now one becoming a favorite Rethug talking point.

It is very important that we observe the reactions of the reich wing though. It seems that the very idea of calling the President on his lies, lies which lead to war and American deaths, constitutes treason.

How long before running against the President in an election during a time of war is labled as treason? Don't think that people will be above calling whoever the Dem nominee is a traitor for trying to "remove" the President.

So what do we do about it?

I don't see any good way around this "perpetual warfare", "with us or against us" bullshit that seems to be rampant these days. I knew back on Sept. 11, 2001 that this would happen, but I didn't quite appreciate how far they would ride it. But, I shouldn't be suprised. After all, they didn't let the WTC attacks happen just for the hell of it. This administration has never done anything just for the sadistic pleasure of it. There has always been money or power as a motivation. They have gotten both as a result of 9/11.

My point is: How the hell do we counter this disturbingly jingoistic attidude? How do we counter the fear that this administration is instilling in Americans? How do we expose BushCo as the pack of lying, murderous, profiteering assholes that they really are without being sent to Guantanamo Bay????

[indigo32]

1. What treasonous memo

is Hannity raving about?

[ComerPerro]

3. Sorry

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,102258,00.html

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

2. We need to go on the attack now

Bush and Cheney have been covering up 911, faked intelligence, outed CIA agents, and destroyed our relationships with our closets allies. But Bush and Cheney still maintain close ties to the Saudi royals and until 911 were still in business with the Bin Ladens.

Bush and Cheney are guilty of treason and unbelievable corruption - get going, candidates. Who wants to be the leader?

[ComerPerro]

4. I really wish someone would just come out and say it

I know it would cost them their Presidential bid, but...

Oh man....


Maybe someone, before they withdraw from the race. In their speech announcing it, they could say it.

It would be so great.

Just outright accuse Bush and Cheney of lying without remorse to the American people on a daily basis about life or death information. Accuse them of being, at the very least, criminally negligent in the weeks before 9/11. Accuse them of using American lifes to increase their bottom line. Finally, to wrap it up, come right out and expose them as the treasonous assholes they are.

[frank frankly]

5. I hope they keep messing with Rockefeller

and the CIA and the Media

I really hope they do. BushCo is a big evil player, but there are others.

[HFishbine]

6. One solution

is to avoid giving their paridigm any credibility. Don't play in their poop-filled sandbox.

A few dem candidates would have us believe that they would be better than Bush in these dangerous days. That legitimazes the Bush manufactured fear. The fear must be refuted. We need to support candidates who present a view of hope and optimism. It's what American's are drawn towards anyway, and it denies Bush the legitimacy of his fear-mongering.

[ComerPerro]

11. That is kind of why I didn't jump to support Clark

Part of me didn't want to see a General running. I didn't like seeing, "In these times we NEED a general..." because I thought it just played into the climate of fear that Bush has created.
To be fair, though, I am starting to like him.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

16. It's not that we need a general for national security

Not just any general will do. We need a general who supports civil rights and affirmative action. We need a general who is pro-women, pro-choice, and pro-LGBT. We need a general who is pro-union and can represent that majority of Americans, who are middle class and work for a living.

Is Clark that general? Maybe, perhaps not. Our national security would be great if Bush and Cheney weren't up to their necks in terrorist money, and desperatly lying about 911 to save their sorry asses. We need someone who can say it out loud and not be destroyed. If Clark can do that, then he's the one. Otherwise he'd make a nice VP or Secretary of Defense I guess.

[Junkdrawer]

7. "He who hesitates is lost"...

Instead of writing endless memos about exposing Bush's lies, why not just expose Bush's lies?

[JackSwift]

8. They are wasting the word "treason"

because they want it watered down because one of the BFEE is planning some real obvious treason they want swept under the rug.


In the country I grew up in, it was considered patriotic to voice dissent to the leadership. But America was different then.

[mbartko]

9. This is idiotic.

The only "news" organization I have seen who has even mentioned this memo is Faux. I read the memo and I see nothing wrong with it. Gee, the administration was wrong and the Democrats want to use it against them. Well, DUH. This is so stupid. They are admitting that there is credence in what the Democrats are saying.

Much better questions: Where's Osama? Where's Saddam? Where's the WMD? Where's the guy who leaked the CIA agent's identity?

[ComerPerro]

13. Those questions have been "answered" already

Where's Osama?
Who? What? Oh, that. Uh, we are, um, hey, look over here! Iraq!!!

Where's Saddam?
Please, why are you so concerned about Saddam? The point is, he is not in power. And look how happy ALL of the people of Iraq are. Every single one of them, glad to see us.

Where're the WMD?
They are in Syria... I mean Russia... I mean France... I mean Iran... I mean they are hidden in Iraq... I mean, Saddam only PRETENDED to have WMD, so he could pretend not to have them and thus force Bush to go to war... yeah...

Where's the guy who leaked the CIA agent's identity?
What, that? That is so two weeks ago. Get with the times! Did you see what happened in the Kobe trial?
BTW, the actual answer to that question is: Probably drunk, asleep, on vacation, or golfing.

[Toucano]

20. You're right on!

There isn't anything even EMBARASSING about this memo.

I'm glad the Dems have a stragegy to expose the lies.

It's stopping a cover-up, not "politicizing intellingence".

[Stephanie]

26. Exactly. What is the problem with this?

Quote:

Summary

Intelligence issues are clearly secondary to the public's concern regarding the insurgency in Iraq. Yet, we have an important role to play in the revealing the misleading -- if not flagrantly dishonest methods and motives -- of the senior administration officials who made the case for a unilateral, preemptive war. The approach outline above seems to offer the best prospect for exposing the administration's dubious motives and methods.

[LisaM]

10. This is way too stupid to work

since when has Sean Hannity ever uncovered anything of substance? This story is going nowhere, especially once the Republicans realize that it will just alert the public to the fact that nothing is being investigated.

[ComerPerro]

14. Hell, Bush is too stupid to be President,

But somehow he currently occupies Al Gore's spot in the White House...

Of course this is too stupid to work. But for that reason, I am worried that it is so stupid that it will work.

Republicans build their support on over-exaggerations and lies. Think about how many people went neo-con in the 90's because of "political correctness". That was stupid, but it had a lot of people worried about the "liberal thought police".

Usually, the more stupid something is, the more likely it is that people will eat it up. Why do you think that "Stacy's Mom" song did so well in the charts?

[AWD]

12. LET THEM SCREAM!

Folks, EVERY time they scream about this means another time that they have to use the words "misled the American public leading up to the war in Iraq".

Remember all the outrage over the way they handled Clinton's scandals? What is the thing most people remember? THE SCANDALS!

the Repubs accused the Dems of partisan politics in Watergate too. What do most people remember? WATERGATE.

I say let 'em make a fuss over it. What will be brought out over it the most ARE THE LIES from BushCo.

[in_cog_ni_to]

15. Rockefeller was none too happy.

I saw him on the floor asking how the republicans got that "private" memo. He said it was written by a staffer and was either dug out of a garbage can by a republican or stolen from an internet file. He went on the offense as far as how they got it in the first place. NOW, he needs to go on the offense about what it contains. SPIT it out! Go for the juggler on this one. They cannot just let it go. We and they ALL know the truth. Byrd and Kennedy? Put them in a news conference and let them have at the administration on TV in front of the entire world...do you think anyone would cover it? Hmmmm.

[haymaker]

17. Help me out with this again,

why are they whining about treason?

It just keeps getting more surreal by the day.

[ComerPerro]

19. I find some humor, at least, in the fact that

These people, the "adults", with all their "personal responsiblity", still break down and cry despite the fact that they are winning.

This is the most dangerous thing about Republicans. Nothing short of a total victory is enough.

[mbartko]

24. Oh, you know, the usual.

They need something to fill the time until the Two Minutes Hate.

Speaking of O'Reilly, he's on now.

[Hailtothechimp]

18. Hannity is an a$$wipe

and anybody who puts stock in what he says is just stupid.

[FloridaPat]

21. No names. No direct quotes. Al Frankin proved this guy is

a very big liar. Problem with these right wingnuts is they lie so much, you would need a whole company just to prove all their quotes are lies.

[SomeAreSalt]

22. Was it on network news?

I missed it.

[Cocoa]

23. just continue on the same course

Ignore the distractions.

The republicans are trying to impugn the dems' motives, but the dems have too much credibility on this. They're conducting themselves in an honest way.

Plus, Bush has less and less credibility every day. Notice that Kean is a republican, and he is one of the loudest in complaining about Bush's stonewalling.

[midwest_lurker]

25. let 'em talk. i think that was the point (of the leak)

no legs for the other side. the more talk, the more attention. the more attention, the more likely a independent investigation. these scandals are connected...and the more they are documented the more likely this country has a fighting chance for a decent future.

[quaker bill]

27. Telling the Truth is Treason

Ignorance is strength
Freedom is slavery
War is peace

Upside downism.