7 Men Smile & Laugh As They Take Control Of Your Uterus

[Oilwellian]

From Atrios site:

[Malva Zebrina]

1. they clap also

Bush looks really tiny and small in your photo.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

4. Were there any women present at this ceremony?

It's really creepy isn't it?

[Military Brat]

41. Cripes! The photographer is a woman

What happened to Charles Draper, the official White House propagandist photographer? Where is Charles Dharapak, the official "make him look like Jesus" photographer?

[Military Brat]

48. What? Are his pants unzipped?

"bush looks really tiny and small ..."

[brainshrub]

2. This is a classic!

I'm gonna post it on my website now, if it's okay with you.

[Oilwellian]

9. Be my guest

I'm sure Atrios won't mind.

[brainshrub]

16. Darn

My server has been acting weird all morning. The pic may not be up on my site anytime soon.

[Wapsie B]

3. The fetus will never beat us!

Why don't they just go all the way and sign a ban on all abortions? 'Cause then the right-wingers would lose a big issue to attreact the fetus lovers.

[peekaloo]

5. NO WIRE HANGERS!

Never thought of 'Mommie Dearest' in political terms before.

These fascist bastards sicken me.

[elfwitch]

6. Hangars???

Okay that is the most repugnant thing I've ever seen.
Sick, wrong, and crass.
Even if the hangars are photoshopped in.

Wow! I am even madder now than I was when I heard about it passing in the first place.

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[Atlant]

Actually, I don't know a single Democrat who is "pro-abortion".

> Not all democrats are "pro abortion"

Actually, I don't know a single Democrat who is "pro-abortion".
Most, though, are willing to allow the woman to make an informed
choice; 'shame you won't.

Atlant

[Fish Eye]

17. thats my point!!

"though, are willing to allow the woman to make an informed
choice"

when the truth is not told to those who would make th echoice then the descision is not informed.

I really do not believe that the issue is solely a womans rights issue.

[elfwitch]

21. Do you have a uterus?

Can you have babies? If you can, then YOU choose not to have one. If not, then you should convince whatever uterus you might be doing a little seed planting in to not have one. Other than that, you keep out of other people's business.

[Fish Eye]

27. LOL

you really make me laugh with your inability to respond with real facts....this is pointless...I just can't figure it out...these pro abortion folk are a one song band to me....

[elfwitch]

38. fine then...

DON"T HAVE AN ABORTION IF YOU DO NOT WANT ONE!!!
But keep your nose out of my or anybody elses business.

[Castilleja]

54. Elfwitch, there's a bumpersticker to beat all bumperstickers!

I'm going to save it.

[elfwitch]

55. serious or sarcastic?

If you seriously like that, by all means, you have my permission.

[Castilleja]

68. Seriously, it's pretty succint

I think it's good.

[elfwitch]

70. Thanks!

Use it as you like then. Have shirts made too. Maybe we could all have shirts made and then counter-protest a pro-life rally.

[Military Brat]

46. You assume birth control works, as do other pro-birth people

(Message to FishEye)

It doesn't, not always. People make mistakes, too. It isn't a perfect world. Banning abortion won't make it perfect, not even close. You don't hear pro-birth people screaming about the millions of abortions in China as they shop at Wal-Mart a/k/a China Goods-4-U, do you?

When Christians stop shopping at Wal-Mart, which also happens to sell sweatshop goods made by children in third-world countries, I'll stop calling them hypocrites. But I won't use the term "pro-life" for their position. It's blatantly inaccurate.

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[SammyWinstonJack]

67. Where do you get this "pro abortion" crap?

I doubt anyone is, as you claim, "pro abortion".

[smirkymonkey]

73. Ummm...What real facts?

(responding to Fish Eye)

Do you realize there was no provision in that bill for exceptions in the instance that the mother's life would be in danger?

[Atlant]

26. I'm sure your version of the truth is colorful.

But probably not fully-informative.

Atlant

[Fish Eye]

29. the truth

my truth goes beyond "its MY body" rhetoric and looks at many side to the issue and to viable options to abortion as birth control.

do they show pictures of abortions in abortion clinics?

Do they encourage adoption ?

Does the righ twing legislate money for adoption?

Does the left wing legislate money for adoption?

Does the right wing do anything to help reduce pregnancies?

Does the left wing do anything to help reduce pregnancies?


BOTH sides of the argument are way off base!

Wouldn't it be better if there were no abortions solely for the purpose of birth control?

Wouldn't it be better if fewer people were forced to make such a choice?

[elfwitch]

42. Abstinence only programs...

As soon as the Republicans stop pushing this nonsense and put condom information back up on the CDC sites, then maybe you can talk. The right is all about preventing information about safe sex. Abstinance only information INCREASES pregnancies.

[PVnRT]

44. Which side

has candidates who want to expand health insurance for Americans, especially mothers?

By the way, how many unwanted children have you adopted? Any at all? Why not, if it's so importnat to you? Are you willing to pay higher taxes so that health insurance can be extended to those mothers who need it?

[blueraven95]

12. well then...

shouldn't pro-lifers be called pro-taking-away-a-woman's-right-to-her-body?

[elfwitch]

13. if you don't want one...

Then don't ever have one. But you have NO RIGHT, nor does anybody else to make that decision for a body that is not your own.

I have no problem calling it "pro-choice-to-have-an-abortion". If a woman chooses to have it done then it is between her, her doctor, the father, and her maker (if she belives in one).

Legislating this issue would be like legislating a ban on mastubation. You are wasting the potantial for life in every emission that is not seeking an egg. Life is too precious to waste even the potential right?

Some things are nobody's business except the person who is involved.

[Fish Eye]

23. so...

you don't minf if a woman smokes crack or drinks during pregnancy??

[elfwitch]

25. honestly...

Another case of her choice. I am not for legislating ANY private or personal behavior. You start telling a woman that once she becomes pregnant that she has no rights, all of here rights are suspended for the sake of what boils down to a symbaint (for at least 30 weeks), then you can start doing all other kinds of "none of anybody's business" things to her. You then turn women in to baby factories. SLAVES!!! It is already bad enough that when you are pregnant, complete strangers fell that can come up and give you all kinds of advice or ask you very personal and inappropriate questions. What happens when there is the pregnancy police? If you have a Diet Coke while pregnant you go to jail? Caffiene is bad for you while you are pregnant. You are hurting the "baby". Bad, bad woman! Off to pregger prison for you until you give brith.

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[elfwitch]

35. no I am not joking...

It all boils down to personal responsibility. You cannot start legislating as personal as that. I think it is wrong for a woman to do drugs while pregnant. But I am NOT willing to throw any woman in jail for making choices (even stupid ones) with her own body. There can be no pregnancy police. It would turn women in to SLAVES!!!

I have been pregnant. I resented randome people giving me unsolicited advice on what I sould and shouldn't eat. I surely would not want a law official being able to take away my freedom as well as my rights because I might be doing something that was on their list of unacceptable behaviors for pregnant women.

These kinds of laws do exactly that. They turn women in to slaves to that which is inside their body.

[Fish Eye]

49. sorry

bu tyour rhetoric is to strong for me...actually it makes me sick...you resented th ehelpful advice from those who care about babies????

I sure wish you could see that reality is not black and white I just can't belive that anyone thinks it is ok for a woman to do something to harm her unborn baby that she intends on giving birth to. Outside of rape pregnancy is a matter of choice.

[elfwitch]

53. they aren't babies until...

That is the rhetoric used all the time in this argument. Is 4 cells a baby. How about a zygote? How about a three week old fetus? Did you know that at 5 weeks gestation it is impossible to visually tell the differnce between a human, chicken, and lizard fetus?

The problem is that YOU do see it as black and white. Birth good and no-birth bad. Black or white, gray, magenta, green, it still all boils down to how is it any of your business?

Is it your business if I masturbate? Is it your business if in the privacy of my own home with no potentail harm to any other living thing that I decide to smoke pot or have a vodka collins? Is it your business what diety I choose to or not to worship. NO IT ISN'T!!!

But somehow, once a woman becomes pregnant, she becomes a ward of the state? A prisoner to her symbaint? Her rights as a thinking feeling human being are stripped? because that is what you are talking about.

[wickerwoman]

59. You're still not seeing the crucial distinction

between thinking something is not OK and making it illegal.

I don't think it's OK to do drugs and drink while you're pregnant and if I saw friends of mine doing it, I'd discourage them.

It's a slippery slope when you start making laws about this, though. Where is the line? Women who don't get enough folic acid in the first few weeks of a pregnancy are at greater risk of having kids with MS. So should we throw women in jail for not getting enough folic acid? Should we throw them in jail for eating too many hot fudge sundays? The fact is that there are millions of behaviors that can affect the fetus during pregnancy and create a less than optimal outcome. Where do we decide where the line is for an acceptably healthy baby vs. an unacceptably healthy baby and how do we decide the degree of the mother's culpability? Or should all women be forced to follow tight nutritional and exercise regimines and be forced to take vitamins and be banned from certain types of food and not be allowed to have sex in the third trimester, etc. etc. etc? Can you really not see how legislating women's behavior during pregnancy with respect to the health of the fetus unleashes the whirlwind?

[elfwitch]

60. that is all I have been saying

This kind of stuff leads to a very "Handmaids Tale" kind of world. Fertile women who become preganant are rounded up and protected from themselves during their pregnancy.

[Q]

64. Speaking of 'choice'...

..why subject yourself to the free-thinking on DU? There are boards where everyone marches in lock step and thinks JUST LIKE YOU.

- You can't accept that MOST on the left truly believe that it's up to the woman to make decisions about her OWN body. That's too bad. But we've had quite enough of this legislated morality. You want a world where the State makes these types of decisions. We want a world where the states stays the hell OUT of the life of the individual.

- If our opinions make you 'sick'...you could well indeed be in the wrong place.

[Muddleoftheroad]

50. Being pregnant

is part of parenting. If you have an abortion, then your behavior doesn't impact future generations. If you do not, then your behavior DOES impact future generations and you can abuse your child by your actions.

And, btw, no rights are absolute. You can't have an abortion the day you are to have the baby for instance.

[catzies]

34. My question is, why do you? Is it your business? It isn't mine.

:mad:

[Fish Eye]

45. ohh I guess it has

something to do with the way I see life I care about the life of a child who will be harmed by a woman who does something that she or we know is harmful...personal experience can really shape the way you see things...It should be your business as the ones who are being born are your fellow humans....I just don't get it: bring our soldiers home from killing or being killed but it is ok to let babies suffer because their mother smoked crack??? sometimes I just do not understand some "progresives"

I guess I am not that far to the left afterall.

[elfwitch]

57. care about life all you like...

Care about the soldiers. Care about the lives you make. Care about the lives that touch you own (family, friends, so on). Care about starving children in Somalia. But until it comes out of MY BODY, it isn't YOUR CONCERN. While it is in my body it is part of me. Once again, if you let the rights of the fetus to supercede the rights of the woman, you turn women in to SLAVES.

Last time I checked, SLAVERY was still illegal. And women were given the right of choice through the ability to VOTE. You take away my decisions, you take away my rights, you are taking away moy vote.

[smirkymonkey]

76. Well, folks, looks like we've got

a live one here! Talk about black and white thinking!!

[Skittles]

61. your f***ing "pro-life" friends in Bush Inc

think NOTHING of illegally invading a country and killing TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE including, yes, BABIES.

[elfwitch]

62. also true...

Do we know if any pregnant women were killed during the attack?

[cosmicdot]

19. what is this "pro-abortion" lingo?

that sounds like the language of those who make this privacy issue ... an issue to begin with ...

... none of this should be in the public forum imho - it's a matter that should be strictly private - and, those who invade that privacy should be duly charged ....

... much of this comes from the same dirty old men who brought Clinton's penis to dinner tables around the country - and, then, they drape themselves with family value slogans as they commit adultery, rape our environment, steal from the poor and give to the rich, and do their best to maintain a healthcare corporate nightmare ...

something is off in this picture

[elfwitch]

22. Bravo!!

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[PVnRT]

43. *rolling eyes*

This is a rare procedure almost always used to save the life of the mother. But don't let that right-wing propaganda get in the way of facts. I'm sure it's much more comfortable for you to believe otherwise.

[Oilwellian]

47. If you knew the facts...

You wouldn't have posted such blither. A late term abortion isn't done for "birth control." It is done because the mother's life is in jeopardy, largely due to a very malformed, or even dead baby in utero. This Bill these coat-hanger carriers just signed, forces a woman who has a dead baby in utero, to keep it in utero until expelled naturally. Do you agree that she should be forced to carry a dead baby and risk bacterial infection? You yourself said abortions should be allowed when medically needed. Please name ONE state that allows a woman to have an abortion after the first trimester, UNLESS her health is in jeopardy.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

51. Nice propaganda you spout there

I thought is would be a good idea to do some brainstorming here on the anti-choice movement. We can then use this thread as a clearinghouse for any and all information about the anti-choice movement (worldwide) and use it for future reference. So post all the information you can find about the anti-choice movement here.
I'm starting with some information from NARAL's website.

Since Roe v Wade was handed down in 1973 anti-choice groups, ranging from Human Life International to the Family Research Council, have been using a variety of misstatements to persuade the American public that women should be denied reproductive freedom. Here are some common anti-choice myths.

Myth: Abortion is dangerous.

Fact: Abortion is not dangerous. A report published by the Centers for Disease Control concluded that complications occur in approximately 1% of all legal abortions, with the risk of complications increasing with the length of gestation.1

Myth: Most women who have had abortions suffer long-term psychological damage.

Fact: There is no scientific proof to back this claim. An American Psychological Association review found that severe emotional trauma after an abortion is rare.2 A report from the University of Chicago's Department of Psychiatry made the same conclusion.3

Myth: Abortion causes breast cancer.

Fact: There is no scientific proof to back this claim. The National Cancer Institute and the American Cancer Society all conclude that abortion does not increase the risk of breast cancer.4

Myth: Fetal brain waves can be detected as early as the sixth week of pregnancy.

Fact: This is an inaccurate assessment of scientific data. The earliest possibility of any electrical activity emitted by a developing human brain is minute electrical impulses that originate from the brain stem. This can occur at approximately 6 to 8 weeks of gestation. Irregular EEG patterns, or irregular brain waves, emitted from the human cerebral cortex are not present until approximately the third trimester of pregnancy. Without a functioning cerebral cortex the capacity for human emotion and thought is non-existent.5

Myth: Women commonly use abortion instead of other methods of birth control.

Fact: Abortion is not a common form of birth control. According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute 53% of women who have an abortion have had only one and 55% have had a previous birth.6

Myth: Women are having elective abortions through all nine months of pregnancy.

Fact: Abortion in the third trimester are extremely rare. According to the Centers for Disease Control the majority of abortions are performed before 8 weeks of gestation and only 1% occur after 21 weeks.7

Myth: There is a major trade in the illegal sale of fetal tissue in the United States.

Fact: There is no substantial evidence to back this claim. An anti-choice group, Life Dynamics Inc., created this scandal in the late 1990's. In March of 2000 Congress held hearings to investigate the scandal one day after a report about it appeared on the news program 20/20. The Congressional committees' main witness, who also appeared on 20/20, Lawrence Dean Alberty, had his testimony thrown out when it was found that he was lying about the story.8

http://wanaral.org/anti-choice%20myth.htm

[demigoddess]

65. You are assuming that the only reason a woman has an abortion is for

birth control. there are other reasons and the reasons I have seen personally, in real life are, especially the late term, are 1. the mother had cancer and the fetus had to be sacrificed to save the mother 2. the baby was so deformed that going full term and giving birth would have hurt the mother and perhaps she never would have had another baby and the baby was not going to be viable ever, as in no brain developing .3. The baby was so deformed that It would not be good for the mother to go full term. Like many people you do not know and are not being told that most of these late term abortions are for babies that are incredible deformed. Yes, it happens in this day and age. I know from personal experience from women I know.

[populistmom]

74. Most of these abortions are preformed in the most dire of circumstances

Like the woman has eclampsia and will die or has an ancephalic (no brain) fetus. Both my mom and my husband have worked in neonatal intesive care units and this is something that happens (not sure about the stats, but relatively common defect always resulting in death anyway) and one of the main reasons someone might decide to terminate in the third trimester. Who the hell are you to make someone else's MEDICAL decisions?

[cosmicdot]

8. why was this signed at the RR Building in DC?

"at the Ronald Reagan Building and International Trade Center"

[Atlant]

10. Curiously enough, it's what millions of women voted for.

Go figure.

Did they think Bush wouldn't "pull the trigger"?

Atlant

[Blue-Jay]

11. You can have my uterus

when you pry it from my cold dead hands!

(OK, I don't really have a uterus)

Hasn't a judge already threatened to overturn this legislation?

[peekaloo]

15. a Federal Judge in Nebraska blocked it

in response to a lawsuit initiated by 4 doctors.

Is this headed to SCOTUS?

[blueraven95]

14. actually I am a little confused about the significance of the hangers...

Are they trying to advocate killing the thousands of women who will go out and get a now illegal abortion, instead of providing a safe and clean place where women can make informed decisions about their bodies? Please explain.

[elfwitch]

18. photoshop

Somebody put them in ther to make a point. This bill pushes us back to the back-alley abortion with coat hangars days.

[grannylib]

20. This is just so sad...and wrong...

Yep, coathanger abortions is exactly the "choice" women will be left with if these freaks have their way...
Pro life my ass...

[JitterbugPerfume]

30. womans body

now government property . Women fought and fought for the right to call her body her own Now once again men seek to take full possession They fear woman power , and feel that they must have control Bottom line...this is not so much about a fetus as it is about controlling WOMAN

[izzie]

28. What do you think this is all about? Please not saving lifes

these people kill anything that moves. They love killing things.

[elfwitch]

36. that is exactly right...

These monsters only care about children when they are unborn. Once they are breathing the air on their own, they could care less.

edit:typo

[madrchsod]

32. i got burned last night

on the photo shopped pic. boy do i feel dumb!! but the coat hanger is the symbol for women that lived thru the time when they used coat hangers and other things to abort fetuses. many women were killed or scared for life.i also have found out thru the years that some one i knew had this done. but i still stand behind what i said last night-which i won`t repeat in the day time....

[Selwynn]

39. Damn! I got burned too - it seemed believable coming from these guys...

Hehehe.. I even sent an email to some friends of my totally blowing up over it...

Yep, yep, I'm dumb... :)

[cosmicdot]

33. make that 10 white men smile & laugh

[Military Brat]

37. bush is a big fibroid tumor

And so are his 7 little dwarf-brains

[Cocoa]

40. the tone of that ceremony was disgusting

Someone hooted like it was a sports event.

Bush smirked and patted his buddies on the back as if they'd all pulled off a big business deal.

[Oilwellian]

52. The only thing they pulled off...

was a PR stunt to soothe the rightwing fundies. They KNOW the actual law will be struck down in court. They also know the majority of the country is pro-choice and they would lose a large part of their constituency if they moved forward to outlaw abortion altogether. Why else do you think a GOP in total power (at the moment) hasn't attempted to do this?

[Cocoa]

56. absolutely; plus they failed in their other objective

I'm sure they wanted dems in vulnerable districts to vote against Bush and lose their seats over it. Then they could stack the courts, where the real battles are going to take place.

[Castilleja]

58. Yes, it was an odd scene there

The reaction seemed bizarre for the deed being done, not to mention the strange knowing, thankful, I don't know what to call it....creepy?......look from Rick Santorum to b*ush, as he passed by him. Maybe all the cheering translated to "SCORE!"

[TNOE]

63. I agree

Veganwitch posted something to the same effect yesterday - made her want to puke - and as I saw this on the news last night - I feel exactly the same way. Bunch of white MEN dictating what a woman can or can't do with her own body. This is as sickening as anything they have done.

[jonnyblitz]

66. I watched a replay late at night on C-SPAN. they were jubilant

and it was surreal to me to watch this horrendous event occur amidst the very loud appause and cheering and just sheer joy of those present. If the higher courts don't knock this down for being unconstitional like the pro-choice advocates whose press conference I also watched claim it will then yesterday truly was a dark day for womens health.

[Q]

72. The clapping and cheering was no surprise...

...considering every single audience is hand-picked by the Bushies. That's the way it's been since before 2000.

[elfwitch]

69. Fish Eye is TOAST !!!!

Mucho thanks to our wise and reasoned moderators for tomb-stoning this fellow. If you can't even get behind the premise of the sacredness of personal privacy, you are not needed or wanted here.

[Garage Queen]

71. Methinks FishEye was a Freeper

Course, 'tis only my *opinion*.

heh heh heh

[Scairp]

75. What is wrong with these people?

We have oodles more important issues at the moment, yet they have nothing better to do than ban an extremely rare medical procedure? Just too infuriating for words. This is like the time right after 9/11 when Ashcroft got involved in the Right to Die law that had been passed in Oregon. What, he didn't have enough on his plate at that time? These assholes do not have the priorities of this country straight, and that is why we are all in trouble.

[jsw_81]

77. This photo is even more disturbing

This was the front row at yesterday's ceremony. From left, with steepled fingers, Adrian Rogers, former head of the Southern Baptist Convention; Louis P. Sheldon, chairman of the Traditional Values Coalition; Jerry Falwell; Janet Parshall and Jay Sekulow, radio talk show hosts; Cardinal Edward M. Egan; Attorney General John Ashcroft; and Senator George Allen (R-VA).

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[elfwitch]

78. The Usual Suspects

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