Bush's Weapon Against Dean ...why is Dick Morris pushing Dean?

[FrenchieCat]

Wednesday, November 05, 2003
By Dick Morris

As Howard Dean rolls toward the Democratic nomination,
there seems to be no stopping him. Dick Gephardt is
making a last-ditch stand in Iowa as is John Kerry in
New Hampshire, but I don't give much for their
chances.

Once Dean hits the first multistate primary and faces
Wesley Clark for the first time, he will have so much
momentum that he will run over the general without
even a pause.

___


Part of what makes Fox so insulting is their laughably
transparent attempt to prop up Dean - a candidate
EVERYONE knows will be steamrolled by Bush. Why can't
Dean supporters WAKE UP TO THIS???

[HFishbine]

1. If Clark can't beat

the Dean supporters, you think he can beat Bush?

[blm]

5. John Glenn had the numbers to beat Reagan in the general election of 84.

Mondale had the numbers in the primary.

[w4rma]

10. Kerry has neither (n/t)

[blm]

16. Kerry's are better than Dean's.

Some polls recently showed Kerry and Clark had Bush beat, while other polls showed Kerry with he best matchup.

[robsul82]

11. If Glenn couldn't beat Mondale in the primary...

...he would've lost to Reagan.

Later.

RJS

[blm]

31. Nope. That's not how it works.

.

[HFishbine]

35. Unprovable Speculation

Since no candidate who lost in the primary has ever gone on to win the general election, all you are offering is an unprovable speculation.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. John Glenn Faded... Hart Rose.....

I don't think he would have beat Reagan but he wouldn't have lost forty nine states....

Hart had a much better feel for where the country was than Mondale....


IMHO, if it wasn't for Monkey Business Hart wins the Dem nomination in 88 and beats Papa Bush....

[Julien Sorel]

14. Typically fallacious logic.

Clark has spotted Dean two years of campaigning, plus the primary voter base is different than the national voter base. The Democratic primaries are heavily influenced by activists, and some of them are pretty twisted individuals, with a knee-jerk hatred of all things military, and a nationalistic loyalty to the party that is a little frightening. The further you go into the electorate, the more diluted the impact people like that is, and the better Clark will do.

[robsul82]

15. What a crazy cuckoo dame...

...hey, baby, quit it with the jibber jabber - if a man can't rise above his rivals, he can't reel in the big fish when it counts.

Later.

RJS

[Julien Sorel]

18. A good example of Deanite reasoning.

[robsul82]

20. Like I can't argue...

...against an assumption and nothing behind it, baby!

Later.

RJS

[Julien Sorel]

24. ?

What assumption was that, baby? I laid out an argument, and you come back at me with the jive! That ain't laying it down right! Come on and slip me the real skinny, cat!

[robsul82]

28. Coming at ya on the square, baby...

...that just don't jive! Elections ain't rock-paper-scissors, you shucked some bad talk on "typical Dean logic!" Now, I'm a hip cat on some other candidates, don't paint me wrong, but baby, you come at me with some Deanite label and Dino's gonna give you a personal tour of the back alley! Now that's the true skinny, if you can get tuned to that, baby!

Later.

RJS

[Julien Sorel]

32. Come on, cat!

You ain't down with my original groove. I laid the Deanite down on you cuz you were tryin' to turn on a dime, messin' with my time. Play it straight, baby, this ain't gettin' you nowhere but gone.

[robsul82]

33. But I AM playing it straight, baby!

...this cat ain't coming with nothin' but straight talk, and you're hepping to the tune of one wacky cuckoo drummer! I know I met a few crazy dames like you before, but this is sure one kick in the head. No turnin' on a dime here, but as always here on DU it's a little steppin'. Now get hip with that, cat!

Later.

RJS

[Julien Sorel]

34. You are groovin to the 3/4, when the beat is 4/4 baby:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=662763#662861

You still can't dance to that tune.

[robsul82]

38. Gotta put your ear...

...to the dance of the now, cat, not that sick jive years ago. It's not that I have an achin' against the military, baby, your product about this primary/national is just not worth buyin'! The spaceman would've lost to the movieman just like the old man, dig? Feel my groove, cat, this is nothing but the fact.

Later.

RJS

[andym]

25. Rock, Scissors Paper argument may hold

The rock, scissors paper argument may hold.
That is the strongest candidate against Bush may not
be the strongest candidate for the nomination.

Let's say Bush is the rock,
candidate X is scissors (Dean), and candidate Y is paper (Clark).

Then candidate X (scissors=Dean) cuts (defeats) candidate Y (Clark),
but Bush (rock) breaks (defeats) candidate X (scissors)(Dean).

However, candidate Y (paper)(Clark) would have covered (defeated)
Bush (rock).

This is a simple logical argument based upon the idea that
different qualities may be necessary to win different elections.
The idea is that winning the primary election requires different
qualities than the general election.

[FrenchieCat]

40. Especially when the media is propping him up.....

It's not that Dean is so fantabulous....it's that the media's got him leaned against the wall for now. They will pull the carpet and move the wall as soon as he is the Nominee (if we're stupid and play with the mediawhores).

It will be FREEFALL TIME!

[caledesi]

29. Good point HF. nt

The Repugs keeps saying they would LOVE to run against Dean. Yeah, I believe that...sure

[NewYorkerfromMass]

2. run over the general without a pause?

I doubt that will happen if it really does comes down to those two. Especially in southern contests.

[robsul82]

13. Agreed...

...not only is the man who LUBS him some feet wrong about Dean losing to Bush, he's wrong about Dean streamrolling Clark. That's going to be a dogfight in every sense of the word.

Later.

RJS

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. Lets revise your thinking a bit

the level of anger right now in the country against bush
is just rising.

At this point as long as the candidate has a good plan, and
that goes for ANY candidate, and the elections are fairly clean
I think we are retaking the white house

Me, I will suport my candidate to the primaries, after
that it is ABB

[Hep]

4. You should admire my self control

Part of what makes Fox so insulting is their laughably
transparent attempt to prop up Dean - a candidate
EVERYONE knows will be steamrolled by Bush. Why can't
Dean supporters WAKE UP TO THIS???

Because the dean bashers only say it, they never demonstrate it.

Note: This is the part where you refer me to the mystery post in the mystery thread that contains all of the support and citations for all of the claims about dean.

[truthspeaker]

6. how, exactly, will Dean be steamrolled by Bush? (no text)

[dave29]

19. Ha

:)

[ithacan]

7. these guys are so clueless they believe their own propaganda...

did you ever think that they may be doing this because they are out of touch with what the country as a whole (as opposed to Fox viewers, who just regurgitate the propaganda) think?

That would be good because if they are overconfident they'll mess up.

[w4rma]

8. Maybe Dick Morris enjoys watching the Dean bashers' hysteria? (n/t)

[Julien Sorel]

21. Yes, he spends his time reading second-rate

message boards and giggling like a schoolgirl.

[Hep]

23. That makes 2

n/t

[GainesT1958]

9. Dick Morris needs to go back to oggling womens' feet...

I know he must miss summer...maybe he needs to drive down to Florida to get his "foot fixer'! :eyes:

He's been wrong before, and he's wrong about this scenario, too. We'll just have to see, I guess...

B-)

[mrgorth]

46. You say this like there's something wrong with it.(nt)

.

[asjr]

12. Dick Morris

can never be trusted to tell the truth about anything. One of the most useless men I have ever seen.

[GumboYaYa]

17. "EVERYONE knows will be steamrolled by Bush."

If there is one correct thing about conventional wisdom it is that it is never correct. Prior to '92 the big name Dems were all scared to get into the race with George Bush. It was conventional wisdom that Bush would beat any Dem comers with no problem. We all know what happened.

Never believe conventional wisdom. If EVERYONE believes it, it is probably not going to happen.

[Scott Lee]

26. Oh Ye of little faith....

[NewJeffCT]

36. 7 Dwarfs

Weren't the early Democratic candidates the 7 Dwarfs for a while in '92?

[Hep]

22. Magic 8 Ball lovers unite against Dean

Come on everyone! Let's all talk about how Dean doesn't have a chance! The sun came up today, so it's obviously the perfect day to attack Dean! Let's up the quota from 20 threads about Dean to 50! We're halfway there!

Does Dean have a chance?

*ask again later*

The 8 ball says Dean has no chance! Hoorah!

[ClintonTyree]

27. Frenchie.............

would you like a valium? Your anti-Dean posts are becoming more and more paranoid. Dr. Gump will fix you up. Take deep breaths, relax and take a 10mg. valium. You'll be fine on no time.

[FrenchieCat]

42. You'd should be paranoid too.....

since Dean nominee means 4 more years of Bush....Shit, I have to move out of the country. that was a promise that I made to myself, and my family members.

[blm]

30. Why does Laura Ingraham? Tucker Carlson? Tony Blankley? Richard Galen?

The WSJ? NYPost? CNN? MSNBC? Washington Times?

[AP]

39. Rush Limbaugh, David Brooks...

[blm]

44. Stephen Moore?

heheh

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. Take Dean Out Of The Equation....

The Dems have lost three gubernatorial races in a row... They're about to lose their fourth....

We're down to forty eight senate seats and have to defend open senate seats in the dreaded south in 04- NC, SC, GA, and FL... I could see the Dems losing all four faster than seeing the Dems win all four....

We don't control the presidency....


We don't control the senate....


We don't control the house.....


We are the Cincinatti Bengals of politics....

[FrenchieCat]

43. It's so messed up.....

Damn, we have no power! Karl Rove sent out the memo, and Mediawhores and Dems obliged. I have to pack my bags. I will be outer here on November 3rd, 2004. Need to plan now. Anybody got a link for Canada/Montreal immigration bureau.
Will be back in a country similar to France, my home country. Don't want to go back there....cause Bush might bomb it in 2005.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. I Can't Leave.... I Love America.....

I'll Muddle Through....

[KaraokeKarlton]

50. Dems have no power because they won't take a Goddamned risk!

It's time to try something new because the same old, same old DOES NOT WORK! Dean is that "something new" that people are actually responding to. What the hell is wrong with these people who sit there and say "we need to bring new voters into the process", "we need to inspire and motivate the apathetic voters"? This is what you guys have been trying to figure out how to do for how long now? Someone comes along and actually succeeds in doing it and those praying for this very thing tries to smite and discredit him! All I can do is shake my head in disgust...really.

[lancdem]

51. Are we going to lose the Louisiana governship, too?

Oh, great.

[robsul82]

52. Dead heat according to Loyola and UNO polls...

...but put more stock in Loyola because, well, the Wolfpack rules, baby!

Later.

RJS

[Guaranteed]

45. What?

"everyone" knows Bush will "steamroll" Dean?
No- ACTUALLY, I think Dean is going to tear him apart. Bush is extremely vulnerable in both his foreign policy and the economy.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

47. and Dean is vulnerable in HIS foreign policy

They will tear Dean apart on that and that alone.

[FrenchieCat]

49. Republican Convention is to be held on New York-closes on 9/11

please note that the Republican Convention is to be held on New York. The closing day of the convention is 9/11/04. That's the day the fake pResident will give the big hurrah speech. Remember that this is less than two months prior to the election. Historically, a convention tends to bumps up the positive percentage points of that party. We all know that the propaganda will be thick and heavy with Bush/Rove speak.
I have written the speech that Bush might give on that convention floor, if Dean gets the Dem nomination:
The speech will go something like this:
(Imagine it with his bad tx southern accent)
We have been fighting this War on Terror three years exactly today. We continue to pray for those who perished on 9/11. We pray for their family and thank them for the lives of their brave sons and daughters. We pray for the firemen and policemen who's heroic efforts shall never be forgotten. We will never forget, and that's why we took the fight to the enemy. We are safer because the fight is going on over there instead of over here.
The Democrats want to be in charge on this War on Terror. Howard Dean, who has no foreign policy experience, and never saw military service, wants to take the baton from me. He said that he has as much experience as I did when I was first elected. After 9/11, is that who the American people want to take over the War on Terror?(Bush snickers with his imfamous smirk) Dean wanted Saddam to continue to torture and kill the Iraqi people. He didn't want us to uphold America's responsibility to the world. He thinks that Iraq was better off under the terroristic evil dictatorship called Saddam Hussein. You have seen the reports on the mass graves. Dean obviously didn't. Dean didn't want the terrorist to come to Iraq to fight. He wanted them to stay in America and kill innocent Americans again, just like they did on 9/11. But more than that, Howard Dean also wants to raise your taxes. Yes, raise taxes on each and everyone of you. A Tax and Spend Democrat wants to do what they have always done; grow the government and waste your hard earned money.
Now I know that we have to win this war, to give what we promised to the Iraqis people. We have to give them freedom and democracy, that was our promise, and I intend to fulfill that promise. Today we have 100,000 Iraqis bringing security to Iraqis. We have to stay in there until the job is done, otherwise the Middle East will have only learned that our resolve means nothing. Howard Dean wants to cut and run. He wants to pander to the U.N. and make America look weak.
On the domestic front, do you want a President who has been making the tough decisions for the last 4 years or do you want Dean? The guy who comes from a state that has as many residence as this city of New York has people of Puerto Rican descent. 600,000 people folks. That's what he calls experience (Bush does his sinister snicker, the crowd laughs). I say to Howard Dean, Maybe if it was at least 1 million people that would give us some concern (another joke)! Does Vermont even have a National Guard?.(more laughter)...oh yea, I think there are six or seven guys over there protecting the borders from out of state attackers.(wild applauds).
(Bush gets serious and sober) I want to keep serving for the American people, for the brave folks that are serving in our military. Don't let them have died in Vain. Ms. Smith over there please stand up. Yes Ms. Smith lost her son in the war. She says that her son died for Democracy and Freedom. You are righ Ms. Smith, your son died a hero to return humanity and dignity back to millions of Iraqi men, women and children (wild applause, Ms. Smith bows and sits down).
(Bush sobers off after beaming smiles and nodding his head to thank the crowd for their applause)The evildoers are on the run. We've got them where we want them. If we stop now, if we lose our resolve, who knows what will happen. Next, Iran will be developing Nukes and threatening us. So a vote for Howard Dean will not make us more secure, at home or abroad. (Bush squints and slowly says)Howard Dean doesn't know how to keep America safe, he'll have to learn. After 9/11, America can't afford a President that has to go to training classes.
Under my leadership, we haven't had another attack here in the U.S., and that says a lot about the great team that I assembled. We will win the War on terror for the sake of those innocent lives taken on 9/11 and for the sake of our children. We will win the war on terror for the sake of Freedom and Democracy. We will win the election because only we can make you safe.
The economy is looking pretty good. I promised you that my tax cuts really would work. We have a ways to go, but we will get there. Howard Dean? Well he wants to raise the taxes of each and every hard working American. He wants the big wasteful bureaucracy to decide what to do with your money. Can we afford that in America? As patriots, we have all already sacrificed much too much. Look at Ms. Smith over there. Should she be asked to add injury to pain?
As real cowboys have said, don't change horses in the middle of the stream. Especially if the replacement horse is a donkey.(wild laughter and applause). Well folks, we are in that stream now. A nice a steady course will get us across.
God Bless all of you and God Bless America.

[kyrasdad]

53. First and foremost Dick Morris is a

DICK... This is the same guy who was morally outraged at Clinton's extramarital BJ, who like alot of other Repug operatives, were doing the same damn thing. ANYTIME a Repug comes of as being concerned about a Democrat's political future, it should be questioned.

Can Dean beat Bush? Who the hell knows at this point. Can Clark? Same thing. But bet for sure no one is going to be steamrolling anyone come Novemner 2004. It's going to be another close call. It's going to depend on whether or not we as Dem's stay as pissed off as we are now and make sure every other Dem and middle of the road voter does too.

It boils down to one simple thing... After the dust has settled on our primaries, all of us who can't stand the thought of 4 more years of Bush Inc., and all he stands for, better get our shit together, suck up the fact that our candidate maybe didn't get the nod, and get to work getting OUR guy, whoever that may be, elected.