BCCI

[jiacinto]

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Who was Clark Clifford

[el_gato]

1. here

http://www.google.com/search?q=Clark%20Clifford%20BCCI&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

[seemslikeadream]

2. For twelve years, from BCCI's intial attempts to acquire FGB/First America

in January, 1978, until their forced resignation in August 1991 from their positions as the top officals of First America, former Secretary of Defence Clark Clifford and his law partner, Robert Altman, were the central figures in BCCI's acquisitions and management of U.S. banks.

During that time, they met with and represented BCCI's top management, major shareholders, major borrowers, and every figure of consequence who participated in BCCI's frauds in the U.S.

http:www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/13clifford.htm

Part of the difficulty in unraveling the decision-making process relating to BCCI, First American, and the National Bank of Georgia, and Clifford and Altman's role in the process, is that Clifford and Altman simultaneously represented all parties in the transactions over a period of 12 years spanning each permutation of purchase and sale of each of the organizations involved.

[blm]

3. Democratic powerbroker.

He was an establishment Dem whose connection to BCCI caused many Democrats to be uneasy with John Kerry's investigation. Kerry plowed ahead anyway with little support.

[Octafish]

4. Clifford was "Counsel to the Presidents"...

... plus he helped draft the National Security Act of 1947, which formed the Central Intelligence Agency and set the groundwork for much of today's Secret Government. A servant of every Democratic President from FDR to Jimmy Carter, Clifford was no fool. He helped grease the wheels for Jackson Stephens, the billionaire Arkansas investor who's invested in Sam Walmart Walton and Presidents Bush, Clinton and Bush Jr. Stephens introduced the "Middle Eastern" investors behind BCCI to Bert Lance and, thus, later connect to Jimmy Carter. Who headed the CIA when all this was ramping up? Hint: His nickname is Poppy.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

13. fascinating

very interesting.

[9215]

16. Alexander Stephens/Stevens was VP of the Confederacy

Just found that curious. Wonder if he is Jackson's great-grand pappy or something.

[annak110]

5. Hey the man died in 1998 that might just qualify

him for a seat in the U.S. Senate on the Democratic ticket.

[JackRiddler]

6. Follow El Gato's links - fascinating stuff

Clark Clifford, Wall Street banker

--wrote the National Security Act of 1947, creating the CIA and more, arguably the most important piece of legislation of the 20th C.

--was a behind-the-scenes player in setting CIA policy

--was instrumental in the early recognition of Israel by U.S.

--brought BCCI into the U.S.

--Jackson Stephens/Walmart connections

and much more.

Why are you interested in him all of a sudden? His career is definitely on the dark side of the Democratic Party...

[Eloriel]

7. And THIS is why I'm against Wesley Clark

He too has connections with Jackson Stephens.

I have other concerns, but frankly that one is primo. I hate to make this thread about candidates, but IMO this is partly what we're here for. It tarnishes Kerry too, IMO, because for all the "good work" he's supposedly done on this and perhaps other issues, where is he NOW? No where. People "assume" that because of that early work he'll go out on a limb once elected. That's an extraordinarily optimistic view IMO -- with absolutely no basis in fact or reality.

Eloriel

[blm]

8. That's not true, Eloriel. Kerry wrote a book

about the funding of terrorism and linked it to BCCI in 97. He also brought it up again after 9-11. I suspect people now who are trying to assure his demise in the primary are doing so EXPRESSLY because they fear him with the focus of the American people and his ability to make the case against Bushinc.

And many here are trying to make that happen for Bush. Sad that so many are ignorant of the import of a Kerry-Bush showdown.

Joe Wilson, Rand Beers, and Gary Hart and members of the intel and military community lined up behind Kerry to bring down Bush. The good guys in intel are on the side of the LEFT and so many here do NOT want it to happen.

[Octafish]

9. Disagree on all three counts.

1. As many of the movers and shakers in Arkansas, Wesley Clark worked for Stephens, briefly. As this was also one of my concerns, I asked Pepperbelly about them. He explained his cousin is his own man. From what I can see through my research, Pepperbelly's correct.

2. John Kerry did go after the Bush Organized Crime Family in the BCCI affair. For fingering Ollie North and his Contra-White House cocaine connections, he got investigated by the FBI. Kerry has mentioned BCCI on at least three occassions during this campaign, one in which I was present. From what I know of the BFEE, Kerry has to be careful when and where he lowers the boom on them. Once he's inaugurated President of the United States, Kerry said he'll appoint an honest Attorney General. I believe him.

3. Howard Dean doesn't have a clue about any of this. He's never even brought up the BFEE, except to denigrate "conspiracy theorists." You think he'd do anything once in office? I sure don't.

[JackRiddler]

10. Sorry, I don't buy Kerry's excuse...

Can you link to the book by Kerry please?

Also, does anyone have a link to the 1980s Kerry report on CIA-Drugs?

Kerry has collected some great stuff on BCCI, and in other investigations, the BFEE (October Surprise, CIA/Contra-Drugs). I used to greatly admire him for at least collecting this stuff, but I lean to the idea that it's all in the service of his own power.

See this:

The BCCI Affair
A Report to the Committee on Foreign Relations
United States Senate
by Senator John Kerry and Senator Hank Brown
December 1992
102d Congress 2d Session Senate Print 102-140

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/

I'm not happy with the way he low-keys these issues, and has been doing so for many years. His CIA-Drugs report brought out all kinds of damaging material, to which he appended an introduction that (laughably) exonerated the government of the crimes described in detail within the report itself.

Yes, you can interpret his behavior as judicious - as waiting for the right moment to really crack it.

Or you can interpret it as playing the game. He's got the goods on BFEE (like Clinton did, thanks to Mena/Barry Seal) and he uses it to protect himself. By NOT using it, even though he obviously has it in hand, he signals to the BFEE that they can trust him to take power and not expose them.*

Clinton was in there for eight years and didn't expose them, though the BFEE had it all hanging out - and he stayed quiet even when the right wing attacked him for stuff that was actually Bush/North's responsibility (i.e., Mena). Clinton had the power to expose BFEE either subtly (declassifying material) - or from the pulpit, if forced - and he did neither. This allowed BFEE to execute their return to power.

Bush II is a direct consequence of the failure to expose Bush I.

With Kerry, I get a powerful sense of deja vu, that in this regard, it will be just like Clinton. Once again, the BFEE will be taught that crime pays, and that they always get a second and third and fourth life...

I am disturbed that Kerry, who by virtue of his several investigations is in the best position to expose the BFEE, spends most of his campaign energies attacking Dean.

This is too important for campaign considerations! Kerry could do a great service by playing the attack dog, even if it further dooms his campaign, which is almost certainly going nowhere. That in turn would force Dean & the rest to address these issues, too.

So why doesn't he just do it?

I also expect Kerry collected some good dope on the BFEE by marrying the Heinz fortune.

See also:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=660039

* This, by the way, fits perfectly with the popular image of Skull & Bones as a mutual blackmail society. They got the goods on each other, and so they know they can trust each other not to spill too much.

[BeFree]

12. Thanks for the info, JackRiddler

Yep, Clinton could have finished off the BFEE. But like you say.. they are all in it together, eh?

Unfortunately, unless the sheeple begin jumping the fence a complete BFEE exposition will never take place.

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

14. '87 Kerry Report

Russ Kick has a copy & about a year ago was going to get it all scanned in, but seems to have stopped. Sadly he's only got 40 pages of the 1800 page report online:

http://www.thememoryhole.org/kerry/index.htm

[Unknown Known]

11. Robert Altman was married to Wonder Woman!

You know, Lynda Carter!

Here's Kerry's actual report on BCCI -

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/

[rman]

15. ongoing DU discussion:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=610051

by all means, add your comments

how does BCCI tie in with

Iran-contra
October surprise
Bush family
Osama
Saudi Royalty
CIA
9-11
Bank of England
flight school where terrorists were trained
etc
etc

[JackRiddler]

17. 9/11 & Osama

BCCI founder Bin Mafouz is Osama's brother-in-law.

See Dasquie/Brisard, Forbidden Truth for more...

Check out Hopsicker's work at www.madcowprod.com for flight school owner Hilliard's connections to Jackson Stephens.

[seemslikeadream]

18. Khalid Bin Mafouz

also owns Delta Oil with Mohammed Hussein and have been named in a lawsuit by the families and survivors of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Bin Mahfouz sister married bin Laden. Tom Kean sits on the Board of Directors of Amerada Hess, one of the world's leading independent oil and gas companies. The company is coupled with Delta Oil, a Saudi Arabia company in a joint venture called Delta-Hess.