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chaska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 09:23 PM
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Report on General Clark's appearance in SC today.
So I went to see General Clark speak today. He spoke at SC State in Orangeburg, South Carolina, 45 miles from where I live. This is the second time I've seen the general speak in two weeks in SC.

I met his SC campaign staff last week (they are ex-Graham people). I will give them the benefit of the doubt at this point, but they lose points for giving poor directions in the email they sent me. Getting to the college, as I found out upon leaving, would have been as simply as 'take exit 145B south on Russell st. Go 1 mile to College Terrence and turn right.' What I got instead was much more circuitous than necessary, and included a left turn that should have been a right turn. Hmm....

I didn't think there would be many people at first; there were just a handful when I arrived. Boy, was I wrong! I'm guessing there were close to 500 people there!!! It was a fairly big room (recital hall), that was so full they had to break out folding chairs and alert the people to keep some semblance of an aisle way!!! The crowd was made up of I'm guessing 3/4 students, and was about 3/4 African-American (SC State is a historically black college). One of the Tuskeegee airmen sat near me. For real. There were about a dozen tv cameras. The local stations were there. I heard that CNN was there. Who else I don't know.

This was interesting, seeing the general give a prepared speech, versus the much less structured "discussion" he gave a week earlier. I must say, he is much better off the cuff. But I understand that this speech, as it was intended to document his foreign policy positions (specifically Iraq), must necessarily be a rather dry affair. The main purpose of this speech was to get his positions on record.

There was very little campaigning in the speech, which ran close to an hour, I think (I didn't actually time it). General Clark first outlined how we came to war. We at DU have heard all of this before. He also talked about how we've screwed it up, and about how he would fix it. I don't have a phonographic memory; forgive me if I'm more than a bit vague. We've all heard most of what he offered. I won't try to repeat it here. A couple of things that I do remember that were new to me: He mentioned that he would work with Iraq's neighbors to help maintain order in the region, offering not just sticks but carrots as well. I guess we'd need to worry about other countries taking over Iraq should we leave. Another thing he mentioned was that he would develope a sort of exchange program that would bring Iraqi people to the US (presumably that's a two way street) to foment understanding between the cultures.

As I said it was a fairly dry speech, still there were a couple of standing ovations in response to various points. But it was at the end of the speech where he really won the audience over. He had covered his main points and sought to emphasize why it was important by telling the story of how he was wounded. I've heard this a couple of times before, but this time he followed it by talking about how he had missed the birth of his son because of Viet Nam, and then a few words about the men who didn't come home. He became visibly glassy-eyed at this point. And I'm sure he wasn't the only one tearing up. It was very moving. He went on a bit more, repeating the line "...force only as a last resort" several times before closing and walking off to another standing ovation.

There was wingnut old cow (not a reference to weight) sitting within arms length of me who said angrily as everyone started to file out "I guess 3000 dead is not a last resort," whatever that means, refering to 9/11 obviously. Everyone within earshot turned and gave her the evil eye. Had she not been an old woman ... who knows. The general had just talked about how we screwed up by going to Iraq instead of finishing the job concerning Al quada (jeez, I have no idea how to spell that). As far as I could tell she was the only pug in the place.

It really pissed me off, what this woman did. Everybody was feeling so inspired, when this waste of protoplasm pissed on the parade (like that aliteration?).

I think that, generally, about 10-20 percent of people are intelligent. I believe this applies to all cultures, North, South, East, and West of this country, as well as the rest of the world. I really need to meet an intelligent Southern woman, because I swear I don't think I know a single one that I could describe that way. I'm really coming to hate the sound of the Southern female voice. Of course, I gave up on the males long ago (though I do know some smart Southern guys). I know there has got to be a smart Southern woman out there somewhere that can restore my faith in this segment of my culture.

Anywho....

So that's it. Catch the general if you can. He's a rare human being. And should be our next president.
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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 09:27 PM
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1. Awesome story
Thanks for sharing it :hi:
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 09:27 PM
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2. I know a woman you should meet LOL!
Thanks for the review!
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 09:30 PM
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3. If the South could produce:
Eudora Welty
Flannery O'Connor
Alice Walker
Zora Neale Hurston
Ann Richards
Molly Ivins

Then I don't think you should have a problem.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 01:18 AM
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18. Don't forget those Dixie Chicks, either.
Those Southern women were the ones who were taking the most heat over the free speech debate in those awful days just prior to the war...

Thank you so much for this moving report, Chaska!! Yours have been wonderful.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 09:34 PM
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4. Thank you for that......
I read the speech and loved it. It is the rational approach, and will get our troups back home much quicker than Bush's no plan....and possibly build a lasting peace and bring our allies back on board.

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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 09:39 PM
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5. "3000 dead as a last resort" that's how they see it
I work with republicans who believe the planes being slammed into the world trade center should be shown over and over again to REMIND people why we went to war. They completely and whole heartedly beleive Saddam was 100% behind the attacks, gave them money, training etc., Osama was just his agent.
I could care less about their vote, they'll never change thier minds.

But don't be surprised if this isn't how Bush's campaign is spun next year!!!!!!!!!!!!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 09:59 PM
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6. Of course it will be......
Don't think that the Republican Convention is happening in New York....and closing on 9/11 for nothing. And the Press will spin it his way. Not even 60 days later is the election.

That's why Clark has got to be the nominee....anyone else will be toast, just on that issue alone!


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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 10:02 PM
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7. I'm not giving up on it yet.
They keep repeating the BS, so I keep repeating the truth.

We all have to keep repeating the truth until they hear it at least half as many times as they hear the lie.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 10:05 PM
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8. Great report.
I've been waiting for yours all day. Oh, and I know lots of smart southern women. I work with one everyday...from Little Rock and funny as hell! Don't give up.

Yes, the speech I read sounded dry, but there was much to get in to avoid the vultures who clammer on the talk shows about "Well, Fred...the General promised a lot but was short on specifics...just more hype from the Demo-rats." God damn, I'm sick of those people.

Anyway, somehow the media seemed worse today than usual with their layering of mind-control, so an actual account is much appreciated.

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chaska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 10:19 PM
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9. Thanks and apologies.
The former to my friend Donna.

The latter to women in general. I don't mean to infer that women aren't intelligent. It's not that at all. It's more about the fact that I don't know enough women. And this one particular woman really angered me. So, no misogynist here. I love, and sometimes even respect, womyn.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 11:10 PM
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10. Hey...I'm with you chaska
Today I had lunch with a co-worker who told me that they wished bush could serve 3 more terms because that is what it would take to straighten out the Clinton mess. Honest to god...at lunch...in a school. WTF.
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 11:35 PM
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11. Thanks for the Report
I heard him speak after the debate in Boston on Tuesday.

He had the same effect on the audience when he told the story of visiting two guys at Walter Reed (sons of his friends) who were in Iraq and each lost a leg. Clark spoke of how they told him they didn't have the proper equipment to defend themselves. Clark's voice was like steel when he expressed his anger about this. He really cares about the armed forces people - his plan has more specifics and detail than anything I've heard. I makes sense and sounds very possible.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 11:43 PM
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12. very possible
and the only options left thanks to commander bunny-pants. What Clark is outlining is a strategy that while complex is doable with the right foreign policy team and a leader willing to give back the oil. Not exactly where we are today. To walk away from this mess is certainly tempting, but would ratchet up world distain by a factor of 100. Grim, very grim.

The longer this goes on the worse it will get and less appealing the options.
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 01:18 AM
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17. Hey Justice, good to see you posting!
You're right--he sounded great in Boston too.

:hi:
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 11:44 PM
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13. Awesome Report....The General is really picking up steam....
I was feeling a little down cuz Zogby showed Clark slip. Win or lose the nomination Clark would be truly the best President for the country in the current climate.
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 11:48 PM
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14. Lag in Polls
I think the polls lag behind a week or two (in that polls really take stock of people's feeling over the last two weeks, not the last three days). Clark was out of pocket for about two weeks, and nearly dropped out of site. I think these recent polls reflect that. My mom is in NH and was looking for him - and even she couldn't find out more about him.

What DUers have seen is the last 10 days of Clark - he is coming on strong and getting stronger. There has been a sea change on DU about Clark during that time. I think two weeks from now, things will be more positive in the polls/
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RandomUser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 12:55 AM
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15. He definitely seemed to connect with the Black audience
The crowd was made up of I'm guessing 3/4 students, and was about 3/4 African-American (SC State is a historically black college). One of the Tuskeegee airmen sat near me.

He seems to have gotten a good response from them.
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 01:12 AM
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16. Excellent report
Well done. Thanks.
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