Should Dems Strike Back at Zell Miller?

[BurtWorm]

[RogueTrooper]

1. I voted for full on smoting

traitor.

[BurtWorm]

2. Hell yes!

And I mean any and all of the Democratic candidates. Maybe a few Congressional Dems, as well. And the attacks should be sharp and devastating.

[1songbird]

3. Kick him to the curb hard

[jenk]

4. it would unite the party if we booted this fool out

finally, we grow a spine and say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, GET OUT LOUSY REPUKE BASTARD!

i don't care, this fucker is sabotaging our party.

[BuckeFushe]

5. NO, DO NOT lower yourselves to the level of the Repukes

N/T

[BurtWorm]

6. How about raising ourselves to the level of Muhammed Ali?

Rope the dope.

[Kahuna]

22. LOL!

:7

[ShaneGR]

7. Who's Zell Miller? Why should Ohio know who he is?

I voted ignore him, he means nothing to our Democratic dominance emerging in a major swing county of Ohio.

http://www3.uakron.edu/SCBOE/elec1103.txt

[mmonk]

8. The jerk gets air time, that's why we can't ignore him.

[ShaneGR]

12. Who's watching? Other than diehard Politicos?

Nobody. They are eating up the Democratic message where it counts, the midwest. Screw Georgia. We can win a few southern states anyways. Particularly Arkansas and Louisiana.

[Guaranteed]

40. Tucker Carlson was using him yesterday. nt

[goobergunch]

9. This picture is only meant in a figurative sense:

(a "modbombing" picture from another forum....)

[LeftyLover]

10. I don't get it

Are we not getting our message out there enough?

I'm a exciteable person anyway but I'm getting desperately nervous after we lost Kentucky and Mississippi the other day!!!!

What do we need to be saying to win back Congress?
Why are our strongest candidates (well sans Hillary) not stronger than they appear to be? I've watched the debates and they squabble amoung themselves too much instead of uniting and trying to win what is important!!!
If we lose in 04 like we have in the past 2 years we could be in serious trouble for years to come!
Doesn't this bother anyone?!?!?!

What does our message need to be to stop the bleeding?

[mmonk]

11. It bothers me

Maybe if we all got on TV butt naked, they'd have to notice.

[newyawker99]

36. Hi LeftyLover!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast

[KittyWampus]

14. How About A Pie In The Face

Zell could use some whipped cream in his face.

If there's a diplomatic way to confront the doddering old fool... I wish the Democrats would just do it.

[raysr]

15. Fish hook enema

[0rganism]

17. How about a pineapple?

That man, and I do use the term loosely, needs a serious jolt to wake him the hell up. Farking bastage. He may not matter a whole helluva lot outside the south, but we can damn well write off Georgia and the surrounding states with a Judas like Zell on patrol.

[FauxNewsBlues]

13. Absolutely we must attack him

He is heading out of power, not running for re-election, but voting GOP on a consistant basis. He is even voting with the President when Specter, Chafee, Collins, and Snowe peel over with the democrats. When that happens, it is a lost cause. He is dead to the democratic party.

Yes, he will make a martyr of himself, but he has endorsed George Bush for President even before the primary season has started. Sam Nunn from Georgia could decide to enter the Presidential race as a democrat still (he won't), but my point is, that by endorsing Bush even before somebody like Lieberman could win, he is basically saying that no matter what the democratic candidate stands for, he is with George W. all the way.

That simply is unacceptable. The time is now. Let him make money off his book sales. Who cares? FOX will interview him non-stop after he gets kicked to the curb, but it is better now, than hearing "Democratic Senator" Zell Miller being interviewed non stop next summer as he is barnstorming for the Chimp.

This is not a matter of ideas. I don't think Lieberman should be booted from the party and he is much more conservative than I. He is a democrat. Zell Miller has endorsed not just the Republican candidate for President, but their agenda as well. He needs to get spanked.

If this spanking is done properly, the damage will be less than the gain. Simply, the leadership must say basically that since Zell Miller has endorsed the President before even allowing a democrat to make a case for himself, Zell is not welcome in the party's arms. Explain that if a candidate for President is chosen by the party that Zell disagreed with, he would be in his rights not to support him, but this pre-emptive endorsement of Bush is unacceptable. This is where Lieberman is useful. Is Joe Lieberman so "lefty" that Zell Miller can not in good conscience vote for him? Lieberman does have a chance to be our candidate. He is for the war in Iraq. He is for the money for Iraq. He is a moral crusader. Let Zell Miller's rebuke of the Lieberman wing of the party be the rationale for expelling him from anything that we can.

It's right morally, it is right politically. If the DNC had the guts, it would be done right now.

[kodi]

16. sweet jesus, miller gave us the GOP battle plan & where they want to fight

recognize this.

miller just showed the issues which will be the deciding factor in the 2004 race.

use what miller said about the democratic party. deconstruct it, note how miller and the GOP have co-opted the AMERICAN STORY and grafted the GOP story onto it.

all the things miller said were based upon assumptions he made about america and the democrats in particular.

democrats have to recognize these assumptions, from whence they came and how these are manipulated by the GOP to make democrats appear to be the antithesis of the AMERICAN STORY.

democrats have to understand this and how to beat it is to weave their own narrative into the AMERICAN STORY.

this campaign will not be fought over the facts, but over the myths we live by.

[rucky]

19. Kodi WINS!

I just learned something today.

Thanks!

[rucky]

18. He's Georgia's Problem

F**k Zell...and f**k Georgia if they won't do anything.

[Faygo Kid]

20. Yes. We must stand up for Dem values.

Miller is a tool of the GOP. He will soon, no doubt, join a K Street lobbying firm at seven figures. Tell the people - the Emperor Zell wears no clothes. Really no choice here; but it's a balance - don't give him the press he craves. One statement: He does not stand for the values of the Democratic Party. Then, let him carp.

[jenm]

21. yay majority

[candy331]

23. Yes flatten

him flatter than a pancake. If no one in the Dem party can take on Zell then maybe we do have a serious problem. Repubs would not stand for that kind of behavior from their faithful/unfaithful. I am damn sick of seeing his twisted, raging tirades on tv. Enough is enough.

[Justice]

24. Choices Don't Express My View

The man is a joke. I am not saying don't expose him for what he is -- but he is amazingly hypocritical.

He is out selling his book - the more controversy he creates, the more books he will sell. Why is he choosing now to come out and say all this stuff - why, he is selling his book -- nothing personal, just making some money for me.

I watched him on CNN tonight talking to Aaron Brown - here is where I think Zell reveals his true colors - Aaron asks do you see any weakness in Bush going into the next election - Zell's answer was actually more to the right of the conservatives, than say Trent Lott or guys on Fox. This guy is no conservative democrat, he is not straddling the fence between democrats and republicans - he is not even moderately republican like Snowe or Chaffee -- no, Zell is 110% completely over the line. He complains about politics and says the system is broken because everyone has an agenda, but then he has an agenda to sell his book.

Is Zell's answer balanced, does it reflect the truth? No, no way. Zell says no, no weakness. Period. The economy will be back - so there will be no issue there. He says, we will have to see what is happening in Iraq next year, but who knows where we will be.

[Classical_Liberal]

25. Yes, but the more imporatant question is how

We can't stop someone from registering dem, and he is retiring so kicking him out of the Dem caucus is moot. What we need to do is target Georgia for a Dem win. Georgia has always been tossup anyway, so if there is one Southern State we go all out for. Georgia should be it.

[BurtWorm]

26. I'm not just talking about kicking him out.

I'm talking about giving him back better than he's dishing out.

[Classical_Liberal]

31. Since his whole stick is that dems are wrong

in their strategy winning Georgia would be very humiliating for him. We need a base state in the South too, and Georgia is as good as any.

[BurtWorm]

32. Well, I totally agree.

It would be wonderful to humiliate him to pieces.

[legin]

27. Despite some slight reservations i had on another thread

It does make the Democratic party look extremly weak morally and authoritively if there is someone in that party quite openly and brazenly campaigning for the opposition.

It is just leaves the party open to ridicule.

So it's the Roman Games thumbs down for Zell.

[BurtWorm]

29. He's a nice big fat target to ridicule right back.

[DrFunkenstein]

28. He's Retiring

Nothing will be done.

[Justice]

30. He is Around Another Year

the election year....

[IndianaGreen]

33. He will be campaigning for Bush next year

Flatten him!

[PurityOfEssence]

34. Throw him out of the Party

I'm dead serious. If it's not possible to deny him membership in the party then at least throw him out of the caucus.

This man is a sanctimonious asshole. If he's just too blockheaded and vengeful against the drift of progressivism to such a degree that he's exacting revenge on the party because it defies his righteous stance, then he's being a selfish prick. Sounds like a Republican to me.

If he's just too stubborn to let his old Confederate Democrat ancestors see him go over to the party of Lincoln, then he should sit down with John Edward (the fake medium, not John EdwardS) and commune with his venerable dead blood-kin over a highball and get their damned permission.

Democrats have to stop allowing themselves to be manipulated by ideologues who threaten to dislike them if they don't toe the various lines-du-jour. It doesn't work. Clinton tried to appease them, and they fucked him for it. Clinton still tries to appease them, and they never miss a beat in trying to destroy him. It doesn't work.

Zell Miller is frozen somewhere in the 1920s; maybe his mind crystallized before his birth. He is ethically lacking if he doesn't understand the responsibility one has to an organization to which one belongs. If he had any dignity about his differences with the party, he wouldn't try to sabotage and punish it, he'd do like Shelton and Gramm and go where he belongs. If he can't stomach the party of the damned bluebellies, then he can go independent. It's simple respect for an organization. He seems to think that he, personally, is more important than the rest of the world, and his little crusade is some kind of grandstanding egocentrism.

I mean it absolutely and literally: call a press conference and throw him out of the party. I don't know how it can be done technically, perhaps it's done by denying him membership. It's time to fight.

[nannygoat]

41. Definitely, cut him out of strategy meetings, remove him

from any committee assignments you can. That idiot should be considered a SPY now!

[Freddie Stubbs]

35. The more that you throw at him

the more attention the media will give to him.

[SideshowScott]

37. He is needs to eather turn GOP or the DNC needs to kick is sorry butt

The guy is totaly whats wrong with the deomcratic pary..He needs to go!!

[CWebster]

38. Ask Senator Edwards

who said the Democratic party should reach out to the likes of Zell Miller. Whacha trying to say, Johnny, that we should seek to appeal to those who pander to ignorance rather than promoting an alternative vision for Southern voters?

Senator Edwards doesn't want all you good Northern folks to come down there and tell him what to do.

[Guaranteed]

39. He needs to be "made an example of."

We need to let everyone know we're not gonna take this shit.

[Loonman]

42. Recall! recall! recal!!

Oust the traitor!

[xchrom]

43. jesse helms, strom thurmond,

zell miller.

[tlb]

44. There is no way to stop a man from calling himself a democrat.

Also, it is absurd to think there is any way you can poliitcally punish a man who is not running for re-election.

[HFishbine]

45. Zell with Arron Brown on CNN last night

Brown asked Miller, how he thinks the democratic party should be different from the republican party. After 2 minutes of non-answer, Brown said, I heard you answer, but how should the democratic party be different from the republican party? Miller went on to enumerate the ways that the democratic party could be LIKE the republican party.

The man has become a shill. He could not articulate a single way in which the dems should differentiate themselves from the repukes. Why? Because he doesn't think they should be. He wants the dems to be just like the republicans. He should be shunned.

[mmonk]

46. What we need is a liberal republican

we can find to publicly denounce the administration.

[HPLeft]

47. I think that we have to go after him

His only purpose could be to pump Bush and hurt the Democratic Presidential candidates. After hearing a bit of him on Aaron Brown, I'm not sure whether to pity or to attack him. He had a line about the American people preferring a President not subject to paralysis by analysis. Gee, I wonder if those southward-heading polls with regard to Iraq are proving him right? I don't think so.

Personally, I would love to see a party realignment - with Collins, Chafee, Rudman, Cohen-type moderate Republicans coming over to the Dems, and the remaining "conservatives" in the party going the way of Richard Shelby, to the Republican side. That way there would be no question of where everyone stood. Unlike many people in this group, I have no problem on most issues with Joe Lieberman (except Iraq). I think Lieberman's a centrist, who's a bit to the right when it comes to defending the State of Israel. I like centrists. They usually haven't sued for divorce from their brains, their humanity or common sense. The Democratic Party should be IMHO a center-left party. But the Zell Miller's are another story entirely. There should be no place in this party for conservatives of any type. And Democrats should be able to win in the south by hugging the common-sense, adult, good-government center.