What the hell is our point? Do "We" even know what we're fighting for?

[JanMichael]

Dumb question, I'm positive, flames of "I'm involved damnit! You're an asshole!" are expected.

Now my query. It involves the meat and potatoes (Props to thae dumbassed people) of the "WHY"?

Sure I'm working hard to play tennis (with any luck next Saturday....I really just wanted to have some beers with him, yet he's apparently a tea-drinker only, no alcohol...) with the nice guy from Bangledesh that I know, from the corner "Circle K", but, other than that Black "girl" in HR, I really don't have any "Minority" friends, I only recently realized how "White" my world was...

I have a philosophy that demands Equality, that demands Egalitarianism, that wants Social Harmony, yet (Like every activist event that I attend...) I really don't have many non-WASPS (Or other econo-ethnic acquantences) in my circle of friends!

Which made me think that we might be a bunch of (understandably) guilty Liberals wondering what the fuck went wrong with Society and why they're all so discombobulated?...

I guess that I'm trying to point out what should be obvious...I'm living in the perfect Republican World! I've got a good job, I've got a pension, I've got Healthcare when I need it, I've got a nice place to live, I've got...ME ME ME!

I harp constantly about Fair Trade, Women's Rights, Marriage (As in same-sex marriage) Freedom, National Healthcare (I've got bunches of it! Who want's some?!)Worker's Rights/Unions, Living Wages, Progressive Taxation (Or a Maximum Income...Why not? We've already got a Minimum Wage (Income), No?) yet the fact is that I live in WhiteManSuburbiana!

Am I an anomoly?

Why should I care, I'm OK, no?

Yes I'm drunk now...Figuratively as well as the easy to do "Literally".

Is this a GD thread? I would say so...Why? Because I'm sitting here wondering what the fuck "our" candidates are going to propose in a Macro sense outside of my happy existance? What will they do to make someone else's live better? Why? I'm SET! Fuck me!

What about everyone else?????

Who has a Macro Policy that takes in to account that some people get FUCKED in our "Happy Clappy" country????

Well?:-)

PS~ I only post this because every activist meeting that I've attended is mostly white...Not that this is an inherantly a "bad" thing but..


WHAT'S UP?

[incapsulated]

1. Your thread will be locked...

If you don't edit out the profanity! FYI. :)

[JanMichael]

3. Well...Fuck off!

:evilgrin:

[incapsulated]

6. Never post while drunk...

Or very tired. Trust me on this, I know.

I think the "new rules" suck, but I had no say in them either. As long as we choose to post, we must obey. I think its a good topic, edit it so it's not locked...

[JanMichael]

8. It won't be locked.

Why? Because it's a rambling, yet soul searching, diatribe against the "Machine".

The "new rules" have a little wiggle room, just watch...

BTW~ Thanks:-)

[piece sine]

2. Admin, get the gurney....

someone's having an existential dilemma right here in publc.

[JanMichael]

4. Good call. I'm a registered Exitentialist.

While we abhor rules we also all agree that there are times that they become necessary:-)

[BloodyWilliam]

5. In the words of Jenny Sparks,

Bugger this. I want a better world.

We do this because it's right. Not because it's right according to a few fanatics or an old book, because it's right under the amorphous and vague standards of human decency and hoping for a better life. It's about respecting everyone's philosophical rights and liberties, both the rights to free thought and speech, and the rights to living comfortably and being able to eat.

[Tatiana]

7. What we're fighting for.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

We're fighting to reinstitute our Constitutionally granted rights and freedoms, as I see it...

[E_Zapata]

9. Oh, you will be wanting to vote for Dennis Kucinich......

You just described him as THE only candidate who has the gonads to actually DO something for the regular people......the ones who don't have it 'all set.'

I hate to say it.....but a lot of white people who have it made (real security) get involved because (1) it is the right thing to do; (2) my life gets BETTER if the standard of living is better for the most people...hence, self-interest; and (3) it's easy to get all passionate about someone else's problems simply because the guillotine isn't really waiting for ME if I fail. It's pretty much risk free.

Now, for the little guy who doesn't have it made? the risks are sooooo great that I would imagine just TRYING to make the system more equitable is too excruciating. I mean......it's easier to be a victim and blame than it is to try and NOT WIN. Them's some sour lemons if one does lose the struggle.

[ScreamingMeemie]

10. Locking...

Please avoid excessive profanity in the subject line and body of the post which starts the thread.

Thanks,

MrsGrumpy
DU Moderator

[liberalmuse]

11. You'd sure make a crappy Republican.

Basically, this is the way it is supposed to work. People who are struggling to survive have little time and energy to worry about government policies that are going to help or screw them. Those who don't have to concentrate all their energy on survival should give a hand up to others. So you don't have many friends of a diverse, cultural background? Most of the people in this world could say the same thing. At least you are able to empathize and give a crap about those different from yourself, which is truly a big step in human evolution. Give yourself credit and stop beating yourself up like some goddamned liberal!

[kodi]

12. we fight for the future we want.

a future for our families, friends, and nation where one day it will be easier to be good.

just because, like Dr. King you might not get there yourself, it doesn't mean its not worth fighting for.

"And as long as America must choose, that long will there be a need and a place for the Democratic Party. We Democrats can run on our record but we cannot rest on it. We will win if we continue to take the initiative and if we carry the message of hope and action throughout the country. Alexander Smith once said, 'A man doesn't plant a tree for himself. He plants it for posterity.' Let us continue to plant, and our children shall reap the harvest. That is our destiny as Democrats." - Robert F. Kennedy

and if society has blessed you, one can do more to help in their local community than post drunken drivel of dispair on a message board.

the only ones who change history all by themselves are political assassins. for the rest of us, "we bear the burden of a long twilight struggle," and exhalt our causes by our actions because our responsibility is not discharged by a mere announcement of virtuous ends.


"....the trumpet summons us again—not as a call to bear arms, though arms we need; not as a call to battle, though embattled we are—but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle, year in and year out, "rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation"—a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease, and war itself."

jfk 1961

that's why.