Why continue fighting?

[HootieMcBoob]

Why don't we just give up and let the country go to hell? Wouldn't that prove our point? What if we just stopped trying and let the neo-cons have their way in everything they want. Let them take the country down the path that they desire along with all the poor fools who have fallen for their lies, hook line and sinker. Watch the economy be destroyed, watch our traditional freedoms be eroded, watch our jobs go flying out the door to other countries while the only jobs left here are low paying, jobs with no benefits, watch as we become a police state and a theocracy, watch as people loose their life savings because they don't have any health insurance, watch as our senior citizens begin living on the street because there's no social security. If we stop trying they won't have anything to complain about on the hate radio and television shows, lord only knows why they're still so angry they already control practially everything. Why don't we just let our standard of living erode to third world standards. In other words why don't we just give the bastards enough rope to hang themselves?

[Democrats unite]

1. Over my dead body.

eom

[Brotherjohn]

2. Because we will be the ones who hang first.

[tom_paine]

6. Another good point. Ashcroft is already laying the groundwork.

The latest moves towards Soviet-style domination and contropl over the Imperial Subjects of America:

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/1103/06fbiterror.html

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/3371341.htm%20

These are TWO SEPERATE REVISIONS! What new powers does the Reichsfuhrer obtain in 2003 OVER AND ABOVE 2002?!?

[Kanary]

9. you will be the first?

With all due respect, while I realize that everyone of us who is speaking out is taking a risk, the eradication of the people on assistance is already beginning. It has been mentioned many times that the huge deficit was, in part, structured so as to cause the withdrawal of funds from social programs.

A huge round of cuts will take place next year, before the elections, and it shouldn't surprise anyone if there are many deaths from those cutbacks. Yet, I see no mention of that, anywhere. I'm sure there won't be any "hangings" of liberals before that time.

I'm very disturbed that this is not even an issue here.

Kanary

[Brotherjohn]

15. I was using "hanging" metaphorically, in response to the original poster..

... doing the same saying we should give them "enough rope to hang themselves". I also wasn't referring to myself personally, or to liberals who speak out.

His/her idea of "giving them enough rope" entailed that we, in their words:
"Watch the economy be destroyed, watch our traditional freedoms be eroded, watch our jobs go flying out the door... watch as people loose their life savings because they don't have any health insurance, watch as our senior citizens begin living on the street because there's no social security."

In my mind, that means that in order to give Bush enough rope to "hang" himself, many if not most of us will have to metaphorically "hang" first (especially the less fortunate).

I agree completely agree with your points about eradication of assistance, withdrawal of funds from social programs, and potential deaths from such cutbacks. My point was, I believe, the same as yours... that the citizenry would suffer greatly if we simply stop fighting and allow Bush to have his way.

[Padraig18]

3. I'll give up when Hell freezes over!

This is my country, too, and I'll be damned if I will let a bunch of neo-fascists destroy it! :grr:

[tom_paine]

4. NEVER! What if Washington, Jefferson, and Franklin had thought that way?

Man, I hope you are being sarcastic because that is the most assinine thing I've ever heard!

What if the miners and autoworkers and the like had looked at their fellows and said the same?

I will not give up! I will not lay down! If they come to get me they will have a big surprise!

Come to think fo it, that philosphy of yours has been tried, Hootie...in 1933 Germany.

It worked pretty well, wouldn't you say?

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

Come to think of it, the Busheviks are still angry in spite of having control of everything because the wretched remnants of the Old Republic are still resisting, and Totalitarians desire 100% total unchecked control.

Just what do you think they are going to do once they get that?

[Kanary]

5. I've often thought the same thing.

I've learned in life that *most* people have to learn the hard way. They have to experience it first-hand before they understand.

However, in my case, it isn't so easy to just say to heck with it all. You see, I'm one of those on the bottom rung.... one of those awful people who are forced to depend on assistance in order to survive. We're going to be the first ones to go, and I can guarantee you, it won't be noticed. We will be purged, and it won't even be a mention in the back sections of the papers.

Sometimes I can make myself look at it historically, and realize that throughout history, many people just like myself have ceased to exist because of the ignorance of the times in which they lived. I won't be the first.

However, when it's *your* survival (or lack of it), it does make it a little more difficult to shrug off.

However, I'm coming more and more to that point.... What's the use...?

Kanary

[pretzel4gore]

14. it's important that you continue to speak out!

your post said it all. Remember, our history, our poetry song and literature is about people like you and those who fought good fight (for PLY!)...i always laff at the righteous neocons and the greed-is-only-good bunch ie the rightwing...WHO ARE YOUR HEROES? Rush? hahaha..BUSH! hehehe...CHURCHILL? ASSKRACK, Eb Scrooge? omg...HITLER? hahaha...who ever sang a song about pigs wallowing in their filthy riches? Was Orwell REALLY mocking the revolution, or the bastards who HIJACKED IT?
iow, let's tell them ratwing goofs 'go to hell!'

[mmonk]

7. I've got kids

one old enough to be drafted and one, quite younger. They will always be my reasons to fight.

[MadHound]

8. While that's a tempting thought(one I've had before). . .

Usually followed by "That will show those dumb bastards", it is a thought that I cannot in all honesty act on. I'm too much of a fighter, there is too much at stake for all of us. However the real depressing thought is that no matter what we do, how much of a fight myself and others put up, it will all be for naught anyway.

But then I start fighting even harder, because that entire scenario is an anethma to me, I just can't allow it to happen.

[lapislzi]

10. I fight so my daughter won't have to

I fight so that my daughter will retain the rights to her own body.
I fight so that my daughter may speak her mind anywhere, anytime without fear.
I fight so to ensure my daughter's access to the bounty of this nation.
I fight to ensure my daughter's right (yes, right) to a quality, secular education.
I fight so that one day my daughter won't have to choose between the needs of her own children and the needs of her aging parents.
I fight so that my daughter can continue to exercise her rights in a free society.
I fight so that my daughter can have access to truthful and accurate information about her government, her world, and herself.
I fight for my daughter's voice, and the voices of her peers.

Maybe at times I fight without hope, but I will never cease fighting.

[maggrwaggr]

19. I fight so my son won't be asked to kill anybody

ntt

[StClone]

11. We may not have a choice

We are being exterminated in my opinion. We either fight or disappear. The fight may take on an ominous tone if Bush is elected.

[lapislzi]

20. The complete absence of any activity

is an ominous development...

[StClone]

21. By "ominous"

I mean REAL street fighting, or other revolutionary ideas in play.

[lapislzi]

22. I get ya, StClone

I was being facetious.

It raises the question of when the armed struggle becomes legitimized, an issue that I've been tentatively exploring.

[pretzel4gore]

12. it's a defiance of nature!

nihilism is soothing in concept, but the reality is- the lil people out there who matter, and we will never abandon them despite circumstance....
a sea change is occurring, but everybody (ie mediawhores) want to save face.......and the clean up is gonna take the rest of history anyway....
In my copy of 'Babbitt' there was an afterward that said it all: the trend of the greedy self righteous hypocrite to overwhelm the honest is a fixture of US politics, and the country not giving in to temptations leading to self destruction will always be the choice of the American people.....
as the great american newsman/patriot hero Dan Rather once said at end of his show, 'courage!' (did he steal that from the 'cowardly lion(?))

[LittleApple81]

13. The US is too powerful and has too many weapons. We are

the people that stand between the * insanity and world survival.

[HootieMcBoob]

16. I apologize

for even thinking such a thing. Belive me it was only a temporary fit of depression.

I was thinking about how so many people buy into the the neo-con propoganda and vote against their own self-interest so often. Not only do they make their own lives and the lives of their children and older relatives worse but they are rabidly against those of us who try to shine any kind of light on the lies and hypocracy.

My Girlfriend/Domestic Partner and I often toy with the idea of moving to another country before the shit hits the fan. In a way that's the same thing. It's giving up. It's an easy way out. I worry about other people and yes I even worry about myself. I lost my job about a year ago and I've just recently started school again so I can hopefully begin to work in another area and even hopefully start my own business. I don't have any health insurance, all the savings I have I'm spending on school right now and I'm no kid, I'm 42 years old.

Sometimes it wears me down and I get depressed and want to throw up my hands and walk away and say ok the hell with it, take it, I'm moving to a country that shares my values and values democracy. But, I'm combative by nature and I love this country and I'm more often in a fighting mood than not.

So, I'm sorry I posted this drivel. I'm ashamed of myself.

[maggrwaggr]

17. don't feel bad! DU is good to vent like that

that's why I came to DU, to let off steam.

See how well it worked? Now you feel better, different than how you felt when you posted that. :)

Believe me, I'm sure we've all thought the same thing.

[DUreader]

18. Don't sweat it, many here have the same thought, you said it

Thats is what DU is here for

On Edit: If you had nobody to discuss this with, more likely you would

give in

[tom_paine]

23. No problem -- buck up pal

We Free American have a long, hard road to hoe if we are ever to restore the Old Republic.

Everyone gets down, nothing to be ashamed of.