Iraqi Doctors who treated Jessica Lynch dismiss rape claims

[Maple]

"DOCTOR: 'Her clothes were not torn, buttons had not come off, her pants were zipped up'...
'Why are they saying such things?' Dr. Khodheir al-Hazbar said. 'We were good to her...' Developing..."

http://www.drudgereport.com/

[Ripley]

1. I hope this blows up big time.

I remember reading the Canadian paper's story about this event. The doctors denied treatment of Iraqi's in order to treat her first and best. At least she's coming clean and not lying for the Pentagon's Hollywood LIE.

[theivoryqueen]

4. Meeee tooo!

Because a bunch of Americans who don't do much research have bought into this story, and they need major media to correct this factual disaster.

[gardenista]

15. They're spinning the rape story like mad!

When the real story is that Jessica Lynch is telling the truth. She doesn't remember, and she resents being used by the Pentagon.

I hope she can keep her soul intact.

[tom_paine]

40. When has major media EVER corrected Bushevik distortions

I can't think of any. And even if they did, they stopped shouting the truth long before the Right-Wing Sub-Media stopped broadcasting the lie.

Thouhg I can't think of any...

[loudnclear]

19. Simple, but sensitive question to ask:

Was there seaman found you know where? Otherwise, no one can make this claim with certainty.

[theivoryqueen]

2. Finally!!!!

I had read the iraqi MD reports after her "rescue" and there were repeated descriptions of her condition - which never included mention of rape or torture or even injury beyond that which would be consistent with a car accident.

[Walt Starr]

3. My wife and I got into a major argument over this

My take, I cannot believe a thing they say about her any more because the entire foundation of the Jessica Lynch story was LIES.

When Lynch says she was raped, I'll believe it, and not a moment sooner.

[theivoryqueen]

5. But you know the RWA's are going to dismiss it as just Iraqi BS.

[DemVet]

6. You know....

.....I certainly don't know what the truth is. But I don't think there ever was any claim that she was raped in the Iraqi hospital. If she was raped anally, she would have scars, correct?

[VolcanoJen]

7. Someone help me out on this one...

... is the Lynch biography "authorized?" Did Lynch supply the rape information herself?

[Maple]

9. No she didn't

She says she doesn't remember any of this.

[LittleApple81]

10. I don't think so. She has no memory of any of this stuff.

The report of the rape came from the medical examination by American doctors, supposedly.

[librechik]

23. Lynch disavows Bragg bio

but didn't directly address rape allegations except to say she was well treated by the Iraqis.

[meegbear]

8. Drudge is reporting this?

Damn. Who woulda thought.

[robsul82]

11. Ohhhhhhhh, schnap!

Dayyyyyyyyyyyum!

;)

Later.

RJS

[DrWeird]

12. Are the doctors who say she was raped...

the same ones who said she was shot and then she was and then she was and then she wasn't?

[Maple]

14. Yeah those magic

bullet wounds that kept disappearing and reappearing.

Too 'tiny' to have been caught in the first examination.

[leesa]

70. And the stab wounds..."Oh what a tangled web we weave..."

[Exultant Democracy]

13. Maybe it was the Americans after she was "rescued"

that would explain why they are being killed off one by one.

[gardenista]

16. That is disgusting.

n/t

[Maple]

22. I doubt she was

raped by anyone.

There is no evidence of it that the Americans would have known about in time.

[DrWeird]

27. More disgusting than saying the Iraqis did it?

nt

[LiberalTradition]

38. Yes. Equating the US military with the Feyadeen is disgusting. NT.

NT.

[Maple]

41. Now the

'Feyadeen' are all rapists?

[calvinball]

44. the depends

... does it count as rape if it's state-sanctioned?  

[Maple]

48. I dunno

does it?

[DrWeird]

81. I'm sorry, so sorry.

I keep getting the US military confused with the Navy and the Air Force Academy. My bad.

[bushisanidiot]

91. US Military Personnel Have Been Known To Rape Their Female

counterparts. Where have you been? Ever hear of tailhook?

[Cocoa]

112. those doctors are good

not only can they tell she was raped, they can tell the nationality of the rapist.

Not only that, they can tell it was the Fedayeen. Wow!

[frylock]

51. how DARE you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

how dare you acuse an 'Merikan of even being capable of thinking of raping someone. You should know better than I that that kind of thing NEVER happens in this country. For shame DW.. for shame. </sarc>

[gardenista]

133. Yes, think about what you're saying.

I will not dispute that rapes happen within our military, and that there have been innumerable coverups. But in this particular case, can we please just stick to trying to learn the truth?

Lynch has NOT accused Iraqis of rape. She says she doesn't remember.

The US MILITARY doctor is accusing Iraqis of rape.

I think it would be a good idea not to cloud this issue with inflammatory innuendo which could be misquoted.

[Exultant Democracy]

143. Rape is disgusting

but the fact is if it did in fact happen it could have been Americans or Iraqis, in fact it would be far more disgusting to limit the allegations only to the people of brown skin :-) (also since the Iraqi doctors never found it, but then the American doctors did, if could be infered that it happened after she left the Iraqi custody.)

[brainshrub]

17. I'm going to say this veeery carefully

Is it possible that Lynch got those scars before the attack?

That would explain why there might be scars there, but no other signs or reports of rape.

[Jacobin]

18. bwahahahahaha

All those little lies told by the Pentagon. First she emptied her gun shooting at iraqis, next she was shot and stabbed, and she is a hero.

Next Pentagon claims she was raped. She says she doesn't remember being raped. Now DOCTOR says she wasn't.

more lies lies lies lies from the Pentagon trying to create a "hero".

Poor Jessica.

Now she's been SLANDERED by the fucking Pentagon....anally, too boot.

[KayLaw]

36. There you go!

It's no wonder people can't believe the jobs numbers; we are lied to so blatantly and so frequently by the Bushies, it's hard to know what to believe anymore!

[Catherine Vincent]

20. I know Ms. Lynch is thankful that she was rescued and that she survived,

..but with all the talk of her being raped and not raped, by others, you just know she cringes thinking back how many people saw her naked body (when she was out of it) when she was being taken care of.

I feel bad for her but I am proud of her for telling the truth. That is one classy lady.

[aquart]

26. Honey, in a hospital, EVERYBODY sees you naked.

It's always the opposite of real life. Trust me, you don't think a thing about it.

[beanball]

21. Evil rightwing lying bastards

should be sent to gitmo.Bet my last peso Rumfeld is behind the lie,now he can go and attack other Arabs countries.

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[Bridget Burke]

28. What do you mean by "we"

Paleface?

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[DrWeird]

34. You know if Gore was president...

the twin towers would still be standing.

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[DrWeird]

77. It's Bush that's in bed with the Saudis.

That's why he called off the investigation of Al Qaeda before 9-11.

[calvinball]

80. waitaminit...

... you're not suggesting that al-qaeda is state-sponsored,
are you?  'cause that would change the rules entirely.

[DrWeird]

84. Didn't the Prince have involvement in funding terrorists?

Didn't the Bush administration give 43 million to the Taliban?

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[ForrestGump]

96. Welfare money spent on Air Jordans?

Oh, come on, <self-censored word> - can't you even try to be a little subtle here? You're making this no fun at all.

This is just not sport any more. :-(

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[ForrestGump]

114. Don't drink

And if I did I wouldn't drink or drive.

Also don't wear Nike shoes - not even because sweatshop labor is un-PC but because they just plain suck.

But if I did all that, it'd be my fault, of course. Not that this has anything to do with the topics discussed within this thread that you're so desperately trying to fill with various disparate talking-point items of your rote-learned 'political' agenda. So, really, it's obviously all your fault.

You are indeed an unworthy opponent. Begone, for you bore us with your clumsy amateurness.

[arcane1]

127. Bush KNEW that the Taliban harbored Osama

thus your comparison is false

and desperate


Bush let bin Ladens fly out of the US after 9/11 without even being interviewed by the FBI, too.

ps- if al Qaeda doesn't have any state sponsorship, why are we in Iraq, instead of taking care of the sources??

[Walt Starr]

100. My suggestion

Look at the profile.

Nuff said.

[ForrestGump]

117. Profile? Less profile there than what GW sees in the mirror each morn.

We don't need no steenking profile.

:D

Nice chunk of virtual granite there soon, though, I'm sure.

[Walt Starr]

119. That's my expectation

I figure the mods are on break right now.

[arcane1]

130. why do so many of "them" have the odd text format?

You see it often with loons like the above, but never with anyone else

:shrug:

[calvinball]

122. riiiight...

because you all have flawless internet connections.  you want
to know something about me, ask.

[DrWeird]

107. Wow, even your racism is dated.

Thanks for playing.

[Maple]

39. Uncovering a lie

is unpatriotic in your view?

Very odd perspective on a democracy.

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[4323Lopez]

45. Enjoy your time here at du today ...

cause it may be brief.

[calvinball]

59. sadly, yes...

... as I'm off to London this evening.  the interface is a
mite unusual, but I'll get used to it.

regards.

[4323Lopez]

63. Tata!

Don't let the door hit ya on the...well you know the rest.

[calvinball]

65. oh, I'm sorry

apparently I made the mistake of failing to ask you for my
opinion before contributing.

[4323Lopez]

69. That's ok

I'll let it slide this time.

[ForrestGump]

83. Don't count on getting used to it

Say hi to Tony for me, please.

[calvinball]

85. what are you suggesting?

that I'm going to be kicked off for expecting mature behavior
from my party?  we're talking about the rape of a woman here. 
not all democrats hate the US and/or the military, and most
who do wouldn't even sink to the depths I've seen here today.

[Zero Gravitas]

129. Your Party

no we don't expect mature behaviour from your party. This is the Democratic Underground not the Republican Underground. Go back to freeper land.

[Maple]

46. Gosh guess what we have here folks?

'It's not a democracy. It's a republic'

Hmmmmm a 'free republic' I'll bet eh?

[calvinball]

50. free is a relative term

free compared to most of the rest of the world.  there are
very few places I'd rather be a citizen of.  but enough with
my actual answer, it seems you were setting up a point; why do
you ask?

[brainshrub]

61. Oh! What an original arguement!

It's also a sophomoric attempt to pretend that you understand the roots of our government.
We are BOTH a Republic & a Democracy...Just like you have a left and right hand.

What spooks me about your logic, is that is makes Democracy sound like something to be avoided...that the elites must be in control or the people would fall on top of each other.

This Democracy v Republic is a common thread here at DU. To bad you won't be around to discuss it.

[calvinball]

64. direct democracy is great

... until you're in the minority.

[brainshrub]

106. Yeah, like Bush.

In case you haven't noticed: WE ARE THE MAJORITY!

[William Seger]

82. WAWK!

Polly want a cracker?

[LeahMira]

92. Fine, then...

also wasn't aware we were in a democracy. we live in a
republic.

Being a wise guy doesn't become you and it certainly doesn't help your argument.

Meanwhile, nobody is wishing bad things for the U.S. ... at least nobody here. Unless, of course, you think that anyone who doesn't buy in to the vision of American "values" spread by force throughout the globe is wishing bad things for the U.S.

Frankly, I think that if we have to force other people to buy into our values, then maybe our values really aren't all that swell, cause if they were all that, the rest of the world would be beating a path to our door to learn how we do it... and they just are not.

So, have a swell time in London. From what I hear you should be a real hoot over there.

[calvinball]

104. if it's so bad...

... then why can't we keep the illegals out?  after all, we're
just going to force our morality and bad economy on them,
right?  if there's no money to be had, why does my ATM ask me
if I want spanish or english?

[arcane1]

137. because repubes support dictators in south and central america

that's why

[mike_c]

58. I dunno..., I'm just anti-america, I guess....

Thanks for helping me get that off my chest, 'bro. I feel better now.

[frylock]

60. we stand for truth, justice and the amerikan way..

easy enough to understand?! Comprende? How many FUCKING times do want to allow someone to lie to your face before wake the FUCK UP!!! These assholes have zero (0) cred.. none. Remember "Fool me once"? How many times will you allow yourself to be fooled by these pricks!!! JFC already!

[calvinball]

62. the american way is hoping people die?

just so an election goes your way?  if 9/11 had, say,
undermined credibility in this administration, would you cheer
it like the savages in the ME?

[frylock]

68. where are you coming from?

a few people post some controversial sentiments, and your going to persecute everyone on the board for it?! The issue here is the numerous times this story has changed. Why would any rational person believe this krap? If your trusting enough to allow someone to LIE to you multiple times, and still give them the benefit of the doubt, then that's on you.

on edit: Don't you find it in the least bit curious that these allegations are just now beginning to surface, just before the release of the book and the made for TV pap?!

[calvinball]

72. stories "changing"

all stories change.  it's a result of the media reporting
every whisper they hear.  how many times have bill clinton's
stories appeared to "change", when in reality, it
was just the reporting ot every rumor or underling's statement
as legitimate fact?

you and I will never know if lynch was raped (by an iraqi), or
who shot kennedy, or whether or not we've walked on the moon. 
what you think you know for sure is only what you like the
idea of more.

[frylock]

75. look.. you believe what you wanna believe..

at this point I can't, and don't believe anything that comes from this admin without irrefutable proof. Yes.. it's come to that. For a little light reading this weekend, I recommend you read the fable of The Boy who Cried Wolf.

[calvinball]

79. why a higher standard?

I'd be interested in seeing the political affiliations of
those people you are more apt to believe.

[frylock]

93. your digging yourself to china with these strawman arguments..

what is it about my point that you're not picking up here? These people LIE, and they continue to LIE to cover up their LYING ASS LIES. I don't give a gnat's ass if you have a D or an R or a G or an I as a political affiliation. I simply cannot tolerate being lied to. Evidently it doesn't seem to bother you that we were LIED to about WMDs, LIED to about Saddam's association with terrorist orginizations, LIED to about the Niger/Yellowcake. How many times do you allow yourself to be chumped like that before you enough is enough? 30-40 times is plenty enough for me!

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[ForrestGump]

120. Doesn't calling yourself a Democrat

bring on an attack of cognitive dissonance?

[frylock]

132. wagering on embarassment..

I'm embarrassed that I've wasted my lunch hour arguing this stupid point you are so desparately trying to make, that we evidently weren't, and aren't being LIED to. If believing everything that's crammed down your throat with a star-spangled spoon gets ya through the day, then more power to you. peace out.

[Galley_Queen]

105. You've Tipped Your Hand

"or whether or not we've walked on the moon."

For someone who finds it so hard to believe that we would be lied to, you seem to think it's possible that we never walked on the moon. Hhhmmm.

[calvinball]

113. who said we haven't been lied to?

we've clearly been lied to.  who did the lying is what's up
for debate.

[Walt Starr]

131. It's obvious who the liars are

When everything was examined, the pentagon did all of the lying in the past and the Iraqi doctors told nothing but the truth in the past.

Why are you arguing in favor of those who did 100% of the lying in the previous issues surrounding the Lynch incident?

[gardenista]

126. Sounds like the "community" you're looking for

is right here:

freerepublic.com

But if you're interested in a real discussion of the issues, hang around. You may not agree with everyone all the time, but you'll get a full spectrum.

Some of the posts in this thread disgust me because people are using the misfortune of Jessica Lynch to vent their frustration at military coverups of sexual misconduct and, yes, rape, within the ranks of the U.S. Military.

I think it's inappropriate in this thread. But, I don't think you can call the gist of this discussion anti-patriotic. Most people are calling Jessica Lynch a hero.

As for nationalism, patriotism, bushism... If that's what you need, you're in the wrong place. You won't find a bunch of jingoistic bullshit here. Genuine appreciation of a soldier who tells the truth, yes. Roveco flagwaving, no, go to Fox News for that.

[HFishbine]

136. We Stand for

Truth, Justice, and the American way. Got a problem with that? Any part of it?

[koopie57]

32. I wasn't aware that anyone here

was against America. That is news to me. Are you implying the doctors raped her? I imagine that for days and nights they had been seeing dead, mutilated bodies, hadn't slept or eaten .. and she comes into their hospital and they rape her? These doctors are human beings, just like Americans are. They have sons and daughters. Just because they are not Americans doesn't mean they are savages.

I have not read anything about Miss Lynch. Can anyone lead me to a good article about her? Has she said she doesn't remember any of this?

[calvinball]

35. rooting for unempoyment, casualties...

... isn't against america?  please.

[Maple]

43. Reporting is not rooting

Please check your dictionary.

[calvinball]

47. both go on here

anyone who expresses disappointment at improved employment
numbers doesn't deserve to have a job, much less have one
where they spend all day posting on the internet about a
personal vendetta with a man who's done nothing more than
disagree with them.

[Maple]

49. Oh I'd say

your group has done more to damage the US than anything on here ever will or could.

[calvinball]

54. and what group is that?

why would you WANT bad things to happen to america in order to
achieve your ends?  we're not going to beat bush by hoping
some economi indicators give us ammunition.  that's like
rooting for an injury to an athlete so your favorite athlete
can beat him.  if weuse the american worker as a pawn in your
game of hate, we're no better than we fancy your enemies to
be.

[ForrestGump]

66. You're getting your 'we's and 'your's mixed up

Thank you for playing.

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[Walt Starr]

71. Nah, the mods will be sending you to a shallow virtual grave soon enough

I suggest you read the terms of service before signing up for online communities in the future. I don't believe you've made a single post here that doesn't violate the DU rules.

[calvinball]

74. what rule(s) have I violated?

taking people to task for self-destructive extremism is a
violation?

[Walt Starr]

95. Read here, almost all of 'em:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html

I suggest number one and work your way down from there.

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[Walt Starr]

111. You must have missed the one on

personal attacks.

[calvinball]

115. disagreement is a personal attack?

well, I guess so, since I'm being personally attacked for mild
disagreement.  didn't we used to be the party of principle? 
now our members are violating occam's razor in every effort to
deny lynch's rape assertion.  body cavity searches as wishful
thinking!  it's disgraceful.

[Walt Starr]

116. Read your statement that I responded to

That was a direct personal attack.

[calvinball]

121. no it wasn't

you're just offended that I didn't ask you for my opinion. 
sorry about that.  now stop wasting my time.  I'd prefer not
to put someone on ignore, please don't make me violate that
principle.

[Walt Starr]

123. Direct quote of a statement directed at me personally

"show some class"

Personal attack.

I hope you like the grave you've dug for yourself here. Say hello to Neal for me.

[Zero Gravitas]

134. no

you republicans have always been the party of opportunity for the rich.

[Walt Starr]

53. I have a prediction for you

I see a virtual tombstone in your very near future.

[TacticalPeek]

124. Perhaps your first-hand report would give a clearer picture.

http://goarmy.com/contact/index.htm

[JNelson6563]

135. haha yeah like all of Wall Street

Even those greedy whores don't believe your king's fake numbers:

Today's final numbers after three rounds of fabulous beyond anyone's expectation numbers:

Dow 9,809.79 -47.18 (-0.48%)
Nasdaq 1,970.74 -5.63 (-0.28%)
S&P 500 1,053.21 -4.85 (-0.46%)
10-Yr Bond 4.450% +0.032


Those American hating bastards. hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!

Julie

[arcane1]

138. who is rooting, exactly?

have you seen this here? Or is that what Hannity tells you is here?

Your strawmen are getting tiresome

please copy and paste the exact text of this alleged rooting

[LeahMira]

76. You just nailed it, Koopie.

Just because they are not Americans doesn't mean they are savages.

Of course the Iraqi doctors are not savages. It does make things easier for some people to imagine that the "enemy" is a group of neanderthals, incapable of any sort of human feeling and caught by their own ignorance in some stone age morality.

Most citizens of the U.S. have never been anywhere near a Middle Eastern country and have no idea of the fine hospitals and excellent doctors that are there. Baghdad is not Lower Gibippie. It is... or was... a thriving city with modern medical facilities at least as good as those of any small town in the U.S.

It's so much easier, though, if we imagine that Baghdad was a dirty little village full of rather uneducated and mean-spirited individuals who were only a few steps up from aborigines. And so some folks would rather imagine the Iraqi people as a people capable of the worst of all that we find abhorrent... including rape.

Certainly terrible things happen in wars. Certainly, though, there's no reason to invent them in order to give some citizens of this country even more reason to feel anger and hatred and to want revenge.

Poor Jessica! Most women in the U.S., if they have been raped, will only discuss that fact with those who are close to them and those who have a genuine, serious reason to hear about it. That poor girl will have to live the rest of her life knowing that the whole nation knows this thing about her... and to top it all off, she doesn't even remember it herself! Why on earth couldn't people just keep quiet about it? What an awful way to treat a young girl that some people say is their hero! These people are trashing that girl's life and reputation solely to justify their own hatred.

Please, Creator, stop this horror for Jessica and for all of us and bring us all comfort and healing... now!

[ForrestGump]

55. We're all against America

You know it.





Long live the glorious struggle of the proletariat masses!



And cheap DVDs at Target!

[Palacsinta]

25. Doesn't the right wing "use" the potential for rape....

as a reason for women to be ineligible for many military positions and assignments?

[DrWeird]

29. Question.

Is it unheard of to give prisoners of war cavity searches?

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30. Its entirely possible she would not remember it! PTSD hello?!?

PTSD...anyone ever heard of it, plus it didn't happen that long ago, and the trauma and media sensation could be too much for her mental state to handle right now. All the proof you need is the medical examination report by the American doctors. Physical evidence doesn't lie. What's really amazing is the incredibly insensitive remarks I've heard on this post and others concerning victims of rape. Most of them are from males and the callus tones lend proof as to why rape still occurs today. Its a physical act of terrifying violence and its pretty sick to dismiss it, joke about it and take it lightly.

[Maple]

33. Excuse me

but she was 'rescued' long after she was injured.

There would be no evidence of rape by that time, even assuming there was any to begin with.

She was badly injured in a car crash, and her injuries have always been mysterious. Bullet holes that came and went,etc.

Yes, it's sick to take it lightly.

So why is BushCo and the military doing so, and making her the object of such propaganda?

[NicoleM]

57. Physical evidence may not lie

but the Pentagon lies about physical evidence.

She doesn't remember it. That doesn't mean it didn't happen. But some of us are skeptical of BushCo propaganda.

[Jack The Tab]

52. One has to wonder if maybe she is bucking the Pentagon because...

of the 4 "coincidental" deaths of those soldiers involved in her rescue?

[Snellius]

56. Cable news is not touching this story

I've been monitoring all day: "Spectacular job growth". "Should Martha Stewart shut up." "Wait 'til you hear what Rosie said today." "How many girlfriends did Scott Petersen really have?"

But no Jessica. Poor Jessica. Somehow she's only a hero when she fits the grand scheme.

[linazelle]

73. Now that Lynch says they hyped the rescue they're discounting her....

plain and simple. I just heard them do it again on my local CON radio program. Announcer reported Lynch believes that the story of her rescue was hyped. Side comments between news announcer and program host were that the rape is not being validated and that maybe it's just out there to sell books.

[calvinball]

78. "her pants were zipped up"

do BDU pants even HAVE zippers?

here are the facts as I see them.

the doctor they keep referencing has said more than once that
he did not look for evidence of rape.  failing to find
something is very different when you're looking for it than
when you're not.  I didn't find any garbage on US-66 today,
which isn't surprising, because I didn't drive on it.

a woman is taken captive, beaten and raped, and all of a
suddenthese "doctors" (who left her in bed for days
without food nor water) are now more trustworthy than the US
doctors who _immediately_ reported internal injuries
consistent with rape and forced sodomy (intenstinal damage,
etc.)?

the acknoledgement that an iraqi may have raped ms. lynch is
not some blanket indictment of all iraqis.  rape happens in
all countries - the cover-up isn't ALWAYS america, y'know.

be careful... making this a bigger deal than it is could
REALLY cast us dems in an insensitive light.

[ForrestGump]

88. Aren't you supposed to be packing for London?

Or playing with a stuffed toy tiger?

Or something?

[DrWeird]

89. Except that it's all a lie.

The US doctors are clearly the ones who lied, saying she was shot, then she wasn't, ad infinitum.

The Iraqi doctors went out of their way to treat her well, they treated her better than the iraqi patients, getting well fed, they even gave her OJ.

[calvinball]

94. wow, OJ!

sign me up!  I'm going to THAT hospital for my next bypass.

[Walt Starr]

108. You sure didn't keep up with the Lynch lies, did you?

TRUTH: Lynch was given juice at a time when the hospital was short on everything, ESPECIALLY JUICE!

But nooooooo, all you can do is believe a bunch of lying murderers who have murdered more people than Saddam ever dreamed of murdering because they're "our guys".

[charlie]

140. She had surgery there, woodchuck

They likely saved her life. She was certainly attended to with a measure of care or she would've stewed in her infections and succumbed to a nasty death.

[Liberal Veteran]

102. I see this is as no different from the old smears against blacks....

The old common slander that black men were after sweet white innocent girls and were prone to raping them was fairly common to the point there was a presumption of guilt if a white girl claimed a black man attacked her.

This particular story just feeds into the prejudice of the American people who want to believe the worst about the Iraqi people.

[Galley_Queen]

103. Time To Jump In

#1: Bragg has already been discredited as a liar and had to resign his job at the NYT (?). So in my book, whatever he wrote is immediately suspect.

#2: As another poster pointed out yesterday, I too find it very difficult to believe that her captors would have raped her, broken her bones, beat her up, and then transported her to a hospital.

#3: We may never know the truth about whether she was raped, but we sure will never know the truth of who did it and when if she was.

#4: We KNOW that just about everything that comes out from this administration is a lie. They will use Lynch or anyone/anything else to get their PR points or to divert attention.

#5: And lastly, why in the phuck would Bragg need to put that in the book? What earthly purpose does that serve??????? It sure doesn't help Jessica, and it sure doesn't help anyone reading the book. It smells like the same kind of bullmerde that came out of the pornographer Ken Starr's report. What is it with Repukes and their obsessions with sex and control?

I just find this repellant.

[calvinball]

118. theory

lynch was quite possibly assaulted in transport.

disprove it and win a cookie.

[Liberal Veteran]

128. Because nothing is quite as sexy as bloody battered white girl?

This conveniently unremembered rape smacks of propaganda.

I know that some people like to ease their conscience by demonizing the opposition in a war, but the idea the Iraqi soldiers took the time to rape her, beat her to within an inch of her life, and then had a fit of conscience and decided to take her to the hospital is out there.

[Bridget Burke]

139. Please, return to the talking points.....

So far, you've done:

..."republic, not a democracy"

..."welfare cheats"

..."illegals"

Can't you cough up a few more before the end?

[charlie]

141. With every crooked account of her ordeal

put out by the Bushies refuted by the lady herself, you're hanging to the only unverifiable contention like it was your last dollar. Why is that?

[damnraddem]

86. I suspect that the made-for-TV movie will be a real stinker.

Better accounts of her treatment have already come out and been ignored by those who lie to create a PR success for the Bushistas. I'm glad to see that Lynch herself is disowning a lot of this crap.

[bushisanidiot]

99. Omigod. This is Rove Trying To Get Back At Lynch For Not Playing Ball

she doesn't remember anything about a rape, but rove's bot-doctors are quick to say "yeah, not only were you abused, but you were ANALLY raped!". I think they're trying to humiliate her for not playing ball and going with the hero story.

[Galley_Queen]

110. OMG!!!

That never crossed my mind but you sure have a point there! Jaysus, what a thought.

[Cocoa]

125. no, it's just propaganda

if it were revenge, it makes no sense that it would be in her book.

[Cocoa]

101. She didn't suffer enough for her country

her risking death and enduring her horrific injuries and terrifying captivity wasn't enough.

Now the military needs propaganda, so they're telling her lies about how she was raped, when she wasn't.

[bilbobaggins]

142. thanks for looking out for us guys

I'm so glad we have DU'ers like Walt Star and ForrestGump looking out for those evil freepers. I was worried because I have no idea how I would ferret out the likes of those worthless SOBs. Good thing ForrestGump has the insight into determing someone's political affiliation simply by a few posts on a message board. Who would of thought the sum total of a person's life experience could be summarized in a post to a message board?

Let's can the accusations guys. You don't like what calvin has to say, fine. You're starting to sound like McCarthy. Notice, I said you are "sounding" like McCarthy. I am not personally attacking you. This is directed at Walt who wants to use the rules to get someone kicked off the board. Seems like someone was mighty thin skin.

Some of the talk here reminds me the Lost In Space remake where Will Robinson notes "Eeewww. They eat their wounded". Vigourous debate is great and essential, but lets all be a little less accusatory and put the flaming torches and pitchforks down.

And by the way Walt. If you're going to use such a LOOSE interpretation of the rules to get someone booted, you might want to re-read the registration agreement. Particularly this section:

"Do not publicly accuse another member of this message board of being a disruptor, troll, conservative, Republican, or FReeper. Do not try to come up with cute ways of skirting around the spirit of this rule. If you think someone is a disruptor, click the "Alert" link below their post so the moderators can deal with it. Unfortunately, it has become all too common for members of this message board to label anyone with a slightly different point of view as a disruptor. We disapprove of this behavior because its intent is to stifle discussion, enforce a particular "party line," and pre-emptively label a particular point of view as inappropriate or unwelcome. This makes thoughtful and open debate virtually impossible."

The above is the wisest rule you can have on this board and I hope you learn to live by it.

Now...getting off my high horse.

[4323Lopez]

144. Good point

How come his type face was different? Mmmm... strange.