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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 03:05 PM
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Dems just can't get it right! They should not back off their economic
attacks on Bush. They are allowing the media to spin this and put words into their mouths. Every major cabel network sounds like they are reading from the same script: "Good economic news for Bush bad for the Democrats. The Democrats really need a bad economy to beat Bush" Now, I have heard no Dem candidate running say any of this but you would think that the media is making a direct quote from anyone of the Dem candidates.

What the Dems should be saying is that they want a good economy as much as anyone becuase they want people to have jobs BUT while adding 126,000 new jobs to the market, it hardly make a dent into the 2 million jobs lost since Bush took office. And you must compare the new jobs with the jobs that were lost during the same period. These are not ADDITIONAL jobs, they are NEW jobs. They are not NET jobs.

Second, the tax cuts played a very little role in the increase in the GDP. The increase in the GDP is on a GDP that was so low, any change up would seem big HOWEVER, the tax cuts have added nothing to the REVENUES that the government needs to function properly on behalf of its citizens. Tax cuts do not make a thriving, stable economy. It's REVENUES that keep the government sound, stable, and able to sustain a certain minimum standard of living for its citizenry. The deficits caused by these tax reductions will be with us a lot longer than the short-term, feel-good, spending spree that Bush claims makes a growing economy. If, because of huge deficits, our government can not meet the minimum safety, security, and comfort needs of our nation we will all be in trouble in the long run. Clinton fixed that problem with a hard hitting tax increase on the very people that Bush is giving huge tax cuts to and the economy took off as did employoment. It was immediate, precise and would have been sustained had not Greenspan raised interest rates on the pretense of avoiding inflation. As for Bush tax cuts...his answer to everything was a tax cut. If you make enough tax cuts long enough eventually a decline is going to change to an increase and when it does, you can take credit for the tax cuts that had been thrown our there several times...a broken clock is right at least twice a day. If Bush had done nothing, and increase in GDP and spending would be taking place right about now....THE HOLIDAYS ARE AT HAND! How long did Reagan pretend tax cuts and how long did we stay in an horrendous economy?

The Dems need to keep hitting this bogus, voodoo economics and explain to the people just what they are in store for after Bush leaves office after a second term or five years after his first term.

AND the Dems need to keep before the public the lying, cheating, stealing that this administration has been guilty of since first stepping into power. The Dems are losing because they keep allowing the media and the opposition (one and the same) to frame their issues and put words into their mouths.

Iraq is costing the lives of our loved ones...its costing much needed resources at home. Bush lied, our soldiers died. We are into "nation-building" as never before in our history. We have become illegitimate occupiers and planning to attack other nations. What the hell is wrong with this picture?!

Dems need to beging to scream just like the Hannitys and Rushs on the right. They need to call these jerks on everything they say. File a couple of law suits like FOX just to bring attention to issue they want the ditto heads to focus on. We need to do something different, meaningful, and real!
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 03:11 PM
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1. You're right--but it's clear another opportunity lost on the Dems
The johb creation they're crowing about is pathetic--they need to hammer home about the jobs lost--people are still pissed about that, and if they don't bring that up, we're doomed in 2004--because ONCE AGAIN Dems and Independents feel theat the Dem leadership speaks for no one, and those people will stay home in droves!

It's so goddamn simple!
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HotAndSpicy Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 03:15 PM
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2. Gephardt
Gephardt is running around basically supporting the claim that tax cuts have caused the economic rebound! Seriously! His new mantra is "the democrat supported tax cuts..."
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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 03:22 PM
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3. OK, we're doomed!
I want a third party I can be proud of. Who should be the candidates?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 03:56 PM
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4. You are correct - running for cover like the media wants the Dems to
do is stupid.

STRONG LEADERS DO NOT CAVE TO GOP PR IN THE 6 O'CLOCK NEWS.

But the - other than Dean - do we have strong leaders?

Kerry/Clark/Edwards and the rest say - quietly - the right thing.

But they sure do not get 6 o'clock news air-time.
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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 04:33 PM
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5. Kucinich would be my choice if had just a little more charisma.
He's the honest politician in the field. I like him a lot.
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absyntheNsugar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 04:41 PM
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6. I agree!
Especially when you look at the big picure...millions of jobs are still lost by Bush, even with todays numbers!!

Dems need to HAMMER this!!!
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 04:58 PM
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7. Won't work
Not if Bush is able to say next Septemeber, "We've added 1.2M jobs so far this year. The Iraqis will be having real democratic elections in December. We haven't had a terrorist attack on American soil in three years."

No amount of warning about where the economy will be in three, four or five years will matter as long as people feel good about the present. If Iraq looks like it's making progress, the cost won't matter. Calling a sitting president a liar and a cheater won't win us an election.

Dems had better be prepared for a rosier picture in 2004 and not count on today's problems to fight next year's battles. The only sure way to bring Bush down is to expose the corruption, the LIHOP or MIHOP as the case may be, expose the Palme leaker and hope it's Dick Cheney himself.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 05:00 PM
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8. You're right.
They follow the media like a siren song...
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