If Kucinich doesn't win the nomination will Green Party supporters flock

[funkyflathead]

to Ralph Nader anyway?

[La_Serpiente]

1. I am not a Kucinichian

However, I think they would have a greater respect for the Democratic nominee (except Liberman) if he was allowed to be in the debates from this point on.

And we still do not know whether Nader would run or not.

I think we will have to wait awhile to see if that would happen.

I also think that as a sign of respect, we should incorporate Kucinich's idea of creating a Dept. of Peace into the Democratic platform.

[funkyflathead]

2. Hey he could head that Department too

Make a right fine Ambassador of Peace!

That is not a bad idea. Too bad he is the only one trumpeting it.

[morgan2]

15. what do you mean

he's barely allowed to talk in the debates as it is.

[Jack Rabbit]

3. I don't think so

Not this time. Too many people see this as too important to be too picky about who they vote for as long aas Bush is beaten.

I noticed a series of polls on DU earlier this week that had McKinney as the Green nominee (a possibility) and one of several different Democrats. Only in the case of Lieberman getting the Democratic nomination were there significant defections to McKinney.

That, of course, is DU and not reflective of Americans or even Democrats as a whole. However, it shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. It is indicative that who gets the nomination is more important than who doesn't. Lieberman will have more difficulty holding on to the progressive vote and that might mean the difference.

Disclaimer: This progressive will vote for Lieberman if he gets the nomination. Not very enthusiastically, but he'll do it.

[MidwestTransplant]

4. Not to be a di*k,

but Kucinich is not going to win the nomination, period.

[funkyflathead]

6. I've already been yelled at for pointing that out tonight n/t

[La_Serpiente]

8. Why do you think so many activists left the Democratic party

they realized that it was out of place for them.

Kucinich gives them representation.

I think there are many Kucinichians that are willing to support the Dem. nominee (except Liberman). However, are we going to treat them just like we have been treating the South all these years? Are we going to say "Blow them off"???

If anything, Kucinich represents the historical ideas of the Democratic party. Do I think he will win the nomination? No. I do not think so. However, if you start blowing people off, you will have one friend less and I do not want to do that.

I think we undermine the message of our party the day we start doing that.

[JohnKleeb]

10. I am still a democrat but you speak for some of my comrades well

Thanks though.

[La_Serpiente]

13. Anytime

pleasure to do so :-) O8)

:hippie: :party: :bounce:
:silly: :freak:

[JohnKleeb]

16. your welcome

I feel their pain honestly.

[Terwilliger]

5. most will not

I am that rare of exceptions :D :hi:

[Tinoire]

7. Why do you care?

I thought Reagan Democrats were rushing back by the thousands.

This shouldn't matter one bit to you unless you're with the Vote Police.

[funkyflathead]

9. The GP help lost us the 2000 election

That and Bushe's cheating.

"Lesser of the two evils."

I'm just hoping Greens vote Democrat this time.

[La_Serpiente]

11. And they will

if we continue to treat them with the respect and dignity that we have treated them with this election cycle.

[funkyflathead]

12. Agreed n/t

[Tinoire]

14. Keep hoping and hope hard then

that all the hysterical brow-beating as the Democratic Party bends over backwards to please the elusive "swing voter" instead of its Progessive base, that it doesn't drive out Progressive Democrats.

'Tis a real pity for the Party that not all of us see Clark or Dean as people we are interested in voting in- not even to save this country from itself.

A pox on both houses if this continues...

[salinen]

17. kucinich

he's the bad ass dude who would kickshit this country back into shape. that's my idyllic hope, but america isn't ready for the opposite of bush just yet. kucinich 2008!

[Desertrose]

18. Amen and well said ,sister!

:hi: Tinoire

Give progressives someone worth voting for...otherwise it won't make any difference...dems & repubs=no real difference.... EXCEPT for Kucinich!!

and yeah...really...why insult Kucinich supporters if you want us to see your point of view...honey is better than hurling insults at us- like that'll make us listen?

Peace
DR

[cyclezealot]

20. See what point of view.

Desertrose...See their point of view.! There is no seeing their point of view. Their point of view is empty....As Dean says, if you want real change, I am not your guy. BS to the fact that Dean got Vermonters 90% medical coverage. This system does not allow for such. Don't and won't believe it.. If he did it was just by manipulating federal programs,that can be easily de-funded, and not establishing an enduring program.
If the Dem. nominee does not give me the promise of medical coverage from 57 to 65 and an end of our shrinking industrial base, they are pretty close to a zero some gain for my issues.
Not enough to motivate me to work for them. Not a matter of seeing their issues if their issues are shallow. If the Democrats can't agree with the AMA or US Steel or Harry Truman( he proposed a National Health Insurance plan), they are not real Democrats.
I think McKinney will bolt and she has always been very attractive to me. Not sure what I would do.

[roughsatori]

19. I think it is so odd that some Clark supporters

completely forgive Clark for voting for Nixon, Reagan, and Bush 1; but they are still in a tizzy over some anonymous DU posters who voted for Nader (and who are not running on the Dem ticket as a Presidential Nominee).

I have never voted for Nixon, Reagan, Bush 1, or Nader. But Nader is the only one of that group that I would not be ashamed to admit voting for (if I had).

As for the so-called "Reagan Democrats" those are the idiots that helped sew the seeds that grew the current Junta.

[chaska]

21. I voted for Nadar.

...with an eye toward whether washington state (where I lived at the time) would go safely for Gore (it did).

I'm as liberal as any Kucinich supporter, but I'm voting for Clark. It's a simple matter of practicality. I want a candidate with a chance of being elected, and that will have a chance to get a progressive program through congress. I believe that Clark has the best chance of coat tails, and the best chance of getting his way with a conservative congress. And I believe Clark to be a pretty proggressive guy. I really like what he's saying about a renewed patriotism. We desperately need to repair the rift between the two halfs of this country. Dean and Kucinich too are deepening and widening the rift.

[eablair3]

22. you're voting for Clark & "you're as liberal as any Kucinich supporter"

>>>I'm as liberal as any Kucinich supporter, but I'm voting for Clark.<<<<<

No way. You're gonna vote for General Wesley Clark, and you think you "are as liberal as any Kucinich supporter." Yeah right. Total BS.

Thanks for the laugh.

[Tinoire]

24. It has taken me months to realize that there are many good sincere Clark

supporters who really are liberals. There are also a ton who are nothing but closet (or full-fledged) Republicans under various names.

I do not believe 3 words coming out of Clark's mouth (apologies to his family here) but on paper, Clark is more Liberal and Progressive than Dean. Additionally, with Dean I sense a bunch of empty promises belied by his record and certain statements while from Clark we get a bunch of vague "I would have"s "I would consider" "We should" but no solid promise that he WILL.

The sincere, thoughtful supporters of both seem to be projecting their own desires on their candidates who are both remaining vague enough (especially Clark) to maintain that illusion. Dean does keep mis-speaking though because he talks too much and everytime he mis-speaks he loses some support.

This race is still wide open and I forsee allegiances being changed because, in this information age, people can't keep up political charades the way they used to.

No offense to anyone meant in this post- just my sad personal observation.

I could be wrong/

[ajacobson]

26. Me too

What you said goes for me too.

:toast:

[eablair3]

23. you're in denial

did Gore help himself by picking Joe Lieberman as his VP?

Gore couldn't even win his home state.

Gore, Lieberman and Clinton backed NAFTA, which laid the foundation for more jobs being sent out of the country.

They backed the Telecommunications Act of 1996, which allowed big media corps to get even bigger.

that's just to name a few. I could go on and on.

Take a look in the mirror, and stop blaming Nader and the Greens, who actually speak out and take actions against all this type of pro-big business, pro-big corp legislation.

[SahaleArm]

25. I just listened to Kucinich speak...

here in Seattle at the King County awards banquet. I talked to a few of his supporters as well. Will they flock to Ralph? No, but the Democratic party must make them feel like they have a place in the big tent. It is imperative that progressive values aren't lost in an attempt to capture the center-right. Dennis is one of two real progressives in the race, a self-made guy who cares about people. If he toned down his voice a little he would come across much better to mainstream America.

[Trek234]

27. Only if Lieberman or Clark get the nod