Is there a chance in Hell that * could beat Clark?

[Some Moran]

I don't see it as plausible...

[mmonk]

1. I don't see how

the points Clark could give and examples if given such a stage would be hard to crack or bypass.

[La_Serpiente]

2. There is a chance in hell for anything

[0007]

20. Only in the mind,

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. I Think * Is A Prohibitive Favorite Against Any Dem

but the election is still a year away and anything can happen...

That being said Clark would be one of our stronger candidates....

[forgethell]

4. Right now,

* seems to beat any Democratic candidate one-on-one, although against some vague generic candidate he might lose. Of course, a lot can happen in a year. But if the economy improves, and progress is made in Iraq, well he IS the incumbent president, no matter how he got there.

[Orangepeel]

5. Uh, yeah.

We are going to have to work very hard no matter who our candidate is. In a world where all was good and everything made sense, * wouldn't be president at all (or much of anything else). But, now, he has an incumbant's advantage, the media bought and paid for, $200 million in addition and a campaign team with absolutely no scruples.

No dirt on Clark? Hell, that won't stop them. They'll make some up. Of course, that goes for every candidate. They had no problem smearing Max Clelland. They had no problem smearing John McCain.

It isn't going to be an easy task. You can't expect just to trot out someone who's a great candidate and expect everyone to recognize it. We are going to have to fight like hell. We need as much money as we can get and as many bodies on the ground walking door to door and making phone calls as we can get. This will be the case no matter who gets the nomination.

[Skwmom]

21. Dean just makes Roves job that much easier. He can just start off

with telling the truth about Dean. Dean will take such a hit from this Rove might not have to even move on to the lies.

[Trek234]

25. Oh yea

And Clark would be SO much better. I'm sure Rove is already raiding any and all pentagon files that exist on Clark, and you can be damn sure that he will find something.

And even IF Clark has a totally pure record (yea right) I'm sure Rove might just happen to find a file on Clark (ink still wet) with some startling revelation. And because anything they release can be claimed to be from "official pentagon records" it will have a great deal of credibility in most peoples minds.

[Hep]

6. Bush COULD beat any D

But if he does, I'll leave political activism forever after my lesson in futility.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

7. NO

[Minstrel Boy]

8. Hell is the operative word here,

so yes.

The de facto regime in the White House will not let something so naive as the "will of the people" unseat them.

[NewJeffCT]

26. people forget

We have some of the world's most ruthless people in the White House right now, with Karl Rove the kennelmaster to the attack dogs - remember what he did poor Max Cleland & John McCain.

[Democrats unite]

9. There is always that snowball's chance in hell...

but I have yet to see a snoball survive hell.

[mmonk]

13. Never been there

what's the weather like?

[Kitsune]

16. I've never understood that metaphor

Because the 9th Circle of Hell, Cocytus, is a frozen lake.

At least according to Dante. :evilgrin:

[KittyWampus]

29. Impressive Knowledge of Hell, Kitsune!

Du'ers are really so smart and so cool :)

[boxster]

10. Yes, it's very possible.

I don't mean to be pessimistic, but merely realistic.

Bush is going to have $200+ million available to smear and bash our nominee and further deceive the American public. The Republicans managed to stay "on vision" in 2000 & 2002, and a united front is very difficult to deal with.

Count on the fact that many, many Republicans will spout the same BS lines over and over and over, hoping that the public will continue to believe it.

Frankly, considering that about 50% of the American public support Bush RIGHT NOW, after all of the scandals and this BS war, I think he's going to be very difficult to defeat.

That being said, Clark trumps Bush on his whole Commander-in-Chief, stuffed flight suit facade. And, in spite of the horrible campaign Gore ran, Gore still won the popular vote. All Clark has to do is win the states Gore won and pick up at least one or two of the ones Gore narrowly lost in 2000.

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. Nope

I got a new picture for my sig line. Do you like it?

[xchrom]

12. it's possible

especially if the infighting amongst the dems leaves them all looking like losers in the minds of the public.
and their is a disticnt unwillingness on the part of dem leadership to label busco as ''criminal'' which they are.
that would go a long way to help dems if those in the house and senate would get truly fierce.

[salinen]

14. insanity

as i peck this message my sanity is leaving my body. chimpco is the hands down most transparently corrupt regime the world has ever witnessed. yet he will win. this planet will violently erupt. please other nations, help us. riot in your streets during our election process. make the religious american zellots nervous that mcflightsuit might not be able to protect them (that's everything to a paranoid).

[Syrinx]

15. If the Diebold machines aren't destroyed

Bush'll beat anyone and everyone.

[salinen]

18. diebold?

they don't need those stinking diebold machines! who are the masses? people permanently fixed in adolescence. you know who i mean. this country celebrates the infanitle behavior of adults. why? because these children dressed as adults are all ego. and to satisfy every desire they have, america responds. it's all about capitalism. kids want stuff.

[John_H]

31. I don't understand

why BBV people continually post crap like this in every election thread?. Do you want to suppress turnout? Do you really believe that if there is a diebold machine in America that Bush cannot be beat?

We need to get rid of voing machines, but posting frantic, the-sky-is-falling, all-is-futile, bs like this is counter productive.

[dansolo]

17. One word...

Diebold

[loudsue]

19. Diebold....and they aren't the only ones who have questionable

machines....

Go to blackboxvoting.com or .org. Every American needs to put a stop to the corrupt elections in this country.

A big "amen" to that!!


:kick:

[livinontheedge]

22. Yes, IF the economy continues growing and Iraq settles down.

Then, I think Bush will be hard to beat. BUT, if the economy dips next year or if Iraq doesn't improve, then any of our candidates COULD beat him. Either way, it is going to be real close.

[mikehiggins]

23. Sure

If the economy is doing well, and the Repugs cut a deal with some Iraqi strongman or other to close down the attacks on our troops, I think it will be relatively easy.

Hey, Bush doesn't even HAVE to attack Clark. He can be as positive and courteous as he needs to be, welcoming such a fine man to the public forum, even if he has no previous governmental experience, etc., etc., and so forth.

The other guys'll be busy chewing up the numbers in Clark's proposals, finding someone Clark pissed off in the motor pool ten years ago, make sure Shelton's innuendo gets repeated hourly on the tv (they have more than enough money to do that), get Willie Horton to endorse Clark and so on.

It is going to be a hard slog no matter who we nominate but so far, at least Clark doesn't have other Democrat's blood on his hands, so it should be easier to rally support behind him than anyone else.

And we will have to.

This ain't going to be easy, friends.

[Donna Zen]

24. Clark

Clark has a very good chance of holding all the blue states including PA. He is ahead of bush in Arkansas where both candidates have name recognition. BTW, I think this holds true even with an economy on the rebound and Iraq out of the news, which it will be. Why? Because Clark takes national security off the table for bush, and bush running on healthcare, education and the environment are losers for the repubs. You need to pick up NH or WVA which can be done.

[FrenchieCat]

27. Good analysis......

Because, as we all know, that 9/11/04 speech in NY by Bush at the Repug convention is still going to bring us back to the issue of National Security, no matter what!

[ibegurpard]

28. Jesus, of course he could!

I'm not under the illusion that the candidate I support is unbeatable. We're going to have a tough fight on our hands and thinking we have an unbeatable candidate is burying our head in the sand.

[Fixated]

30. ....

Why are so many people taking this election for granted?