I feel it... a massive blowout... BushCo neoconazifascists going down..

[TruthIsAll]

The Great Political Realignment. Class warfare? Economic hardship. Jobs lost. Exploding deficits. Stolen elections. Diebold. Bring the troops home! Bush Lies. Bush Knew. Bush ignoring 9/11 warnings. Bush blaming intel. Bush outing Plame. No WMD. No Saddam. Bush AWOL. The draft. Stem cell research. Global warming. Halliburton. Cheney. Carlyle. Bush. Enron. Ken Lay. Iraq peace overtures denied. Mediawhores-getting killed in the ratings. Protest zones. Jessica Lynch propaganda. VFW against Bush. Moderate Republicans desert Bush. Dixie Chicks. Sean Penn. Andy Rooney. Joe Conason. Paul Krugman. David Corn. Mollie Ivins. Al Gore. "What we have is a form of looting" "The worst president we ever had". "This miserable failure of a president". Bannergate. Mission Not Accomplished. Kristen Breitweiser and the 9/11 widows. Henry Waxman - calling Bush/Cheney on their lies. Bullshit terror alerts. Anthrax attacks. Bush cronyism. California recall. Texas redistricting.

The Pendulum swings. Away from freeping fascism. To the Left. To the TRUTH. To Democracy.

Back. To the Left. Back. To the Left. Back. To the Left.

Back. To the ideals of FDR and HST and JFK.

[camero]

1. It couldn't come a moment too soon

I hope you are right.

[HFishbine]

2. Stop it

you're going to make me cry.

[gristy]

3. Great post and summary, TIA

Amazing when all the bs gets put in one paragraph. How that paragraph doesn't simply explode :nuke: is beyond me.

on edit: I emailed your post to my "list". Thanks!!

[Cleita]

22. Yes and thanks TIA.

I know you put a lot of work and research into these posts. I appreciate them as I am sure other DU'ers do as well.

[raysr]

4. You'd think

that it would break their back eventually. How high can you stack shit before it falls over?

[camero]

5. Very high

If noone sees it.

[Imajika]

6. Ah yes..

...the obligatory Bush/Republicans are going thread.

Someone better clue in the American people, as every time I turn around the GOP is winning more elections.

Your right about the pendulum going both ways, I am just not sure yet that it is done swinging in the Republicans favor.

Where are all the people now who predicted Bush was going down over the Wilson/Plume affair because the CIA was "pissed" at BushCo? Seems to me that scandal lasted all of 2 weeks before it was swept down the memory hole.

It is going to be an uphill battle beating Bush, I am more and more convinced that winning in 04' will require a monumental effort combined with a lot of luck. Do not count on the American people suddenly turning en masse against Bush and his Republican shock troops. It just ain't gonna happen that way.

Imajika

[gristy]

8. well, sure

Do not count on the American people suddenly turning en masse against Bush and his Republican shock troops.

Speaking for myself (and maybe TIA too), I certainly have no illusion of this happening. It IS going to be a long hard slog (am I stealing someone's line here??), but I am rarin' for the fight. And I am cautiously optimistic.

[TruthIsAll]

10. Have you seen the polls lately? Diebold is our only obstacle.

The outrage is approaching critical mass. Bush haters (at least 50%) will never support him. Bush supporters are deserting him every day.

You do the math.

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[TruthIsAll]

17. Difficult to beat Bush? Yes, with Diebold. No, without Diebold.

Funny, you never mention it. Bush lost the first time. And he would have lost by a million more votes if Nader stayed out. Do you feel his performance has gained him votes in the middle?

The only new votes he can get are stolen Diebold Cybervotes.

On edit: Oh, I forgot. You don't believe in conspiracies, so there can't be one in place to have Diebold steal it for Bush.

[livinontheedge]

19. 9-11 pushed A LOT of democrats over to the republican side.

Just my opinion, but I think a lot of people who didn't vote for Bush will vote for him this time because (in their minds) he will "go after the terrorists".

That is my only fear for Dean. He will win the nomination but can he win over the 9-11 democrats?

[Imajika]

29. I agree to a point...

"9-11 pushed A LOT of democrats over to the republican side."

I don't necessarily think it pushed "real" Democrats over to the Republican side, but I do think it pushed many voters who generally voted Democratic over to the GOP.

Sort of the same principle at work in California. Arnold got a lot of previously "democratic voters" to cast their ballots for him, but real commited Democrats did not defect. There is a big difference between Democrats and huge numbers of people whom are not particularly political but who tend to vote Democratic.

I am far more moderate or even conservative than many on this board, but I will not vote for any Republican, even if there are couple that might be otherwise decent enough, because I know it is an endorsement of the party. Every Republican in office basically tows the party line when push comes to shove, and that line is usually one I do not support.

"Just my opinion, but I think a lot of people who didn't vote for Bush will vote for him this time because (in their minds) he will 'go after the terrorists'."

I don't know if this will turn out to be true, but I suspect it could.

"That is my only fear for Dean. He will win the nomination but can he win over the 9-11 democrats?"

Yup. I actually have found that I like Dean well enough, but I have a suspicion Bush would destroy him in 04'. And again, I don't think Dean would lose "real" Democrats, but he may lose a big number of voters who had been previously inclined to vote Democratic.

If Dean wins the nomination, I am afraid the Democrats could lose 04' on a historic scale. Landslides of 72' and 84' didn't result in a real national realignment as Democrats still controlled Congress fairly solidly. If Bush defeats a nominee like Dean on anywhere near the level McGovern or Mondale lost, I fear we might lose another 15 or so House seats, and because of the Senate landscape shaping up for 04', enough Senate seats to prevent, for all practical purposes, filibusters (which is the only way we can stop the most horrific of GOP legislation).

Imajika

[Imajika]

32. Right

"Funny, you never mention it. Bush lost the first time."

And? Everyone knows Bush didn't "win" enough popular votes to be elected in 2000. How does it affect the political landscape in 2004?

It was conventional wisdom, at least here on DU, that the Florida debacle would lead to long lines of outraged Democrats ready to oust Jeb in 02' - but that didn't happen.

Things change. I really don't think the vast majority of the American electorate even gives a second thought to the 2000 election. Bringing it up again and again will not help us do anything more than raise money from the base.

"Do you feel his performance has gained him votes in the middle?"

Yes, politically, I think his performance may well net him more votes from the middle, especially if the Democrats run a campaign as bad as the ones we ran in 2002.

Everyone on DU would vote against him, but people on political forums (whether right or left oriented) do not in anyway match the politics of the average American. I am not convinced at all that Bush won't actually do better in 04'.

"Oh, I forgot. You don't believe in conspiracies, so there can't be one in place to have Diebold steal it for Bush."

Right. I believe in very few conspiracies, and the BBV stuff in my opinion is a bunch of hooey. Personally, I think so many buy into the great Diebold conspiracy simply because they refuse to accept that the American people are just not collectively with us at this time. Lose an election, blame the voting machines. Makes it a lot easier than accepting the truth of the situation.

Imajika

[tom_paine]

34. It could very easily be a combination of the two

Ekectoral shenanigans from both sides have been going on probably always.

Considering the Bushevik penchant on many fronts to "push the envelope" on what has been previosuly done from consulting oppsition party on funding issues (or defunding EVERY SINGLE opposition party line item, as they have with the recent eductaion bill) to the use of Executive Orders in place of legislative law to fundrasing issues like forcing contributors to ONLY donate to them or face consequences to...well you get the idea.

Now, I am not trying to convince you of anything. That probably isn't possible. But the Bushevik tendency to take "extraordinary steps" on all fronts relative to what has gone before on other issues doesn't leave me with a lot of hope that they are leaving the particular area of electoral fraud alone.

Just my 2 cents.

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. Yup

Diebold is the stopper. That's the plan. They KNEW the squatter would never be able to win an election...that's why they stole the 1st one. The machines are their shoe-in. JMCPO

[JackSwift]

7. Not if you guys don't get out and register voters now

and get out the vote next November

[gristy]

9. There is already broad-based activity to do just that

link

[proud patriot]

33. Great

:bounce:

[leftofthedial]

12. nicely put

:-)

:toast:

[kimchi]

14. A little magical energy to expose the truth can't hurt.

6:33 EST--harmonic concordance

Prayers, meditation, happy thoughts, chant, light a candle, drink a beer to democracy-WHATEVER!

Back.
To the Left.

Peace!

[knight_of_the_star]

24. ooh

I'll have to help out with that. How about we also focus on the truth being exposed? I have a long-term spell that is doing that, and I think that more energy for it couldn't hurt.

[michaelbmoore]

15. Gosh, I seem to remember this thing

called the electoral college. . .

We have to turn red states to blue, in addition to being outraged.

[Cleita]

16. I would rather replace the electoral college

with something that more accurately represents the demographics of the country. Why should Wyoming have too many electoral votes and California not enough? Since Californians don't get back in federal funds what we put into the country in tax revenue shouldn't we at least have our votes count for more?

[guitar man]

25. The wild card............

In this whole thing is the 3 milliion people who have lost their jobs since the Shrub seige started. I live out here in the middle of a bunch of red states and it is some hard times employment-wise out here.

When the election rolls around,we may see a lot of these 3 million people fed-up and ready to lash out. A friend of mine who is a lifelong Repug made the statement the other day "I'd vote for Daffy Duck if it meant getting rid of this idiot so we could get back to work"


Still hard to tell at this point.A lot can happen in a year.

[linazelle]

18. Not feeling it...all this stuff's been outed and nada

I don't have any confidence that much will happen except more war and terror.

[leesa]

20. Unfortunately, most Americans seem to be blissfully unaware of all

of this. After all, they HAVE to take their kids to play soccer and then watch the football game and then there is Susy's birthday party.

I am so tired of hearing people say "I'm not into politics" or I'm too busy (usually with complete trivialities) to be involved in politics." It is their JOB as adults and as citizens of this country to be educated and involved. It is especially the job of parents. And one that is FAR more important than taking Joey to soccer or play practice or parties.

[gristy]

23. They'll learn enough to make the right decision in the run

up to November. Certainly the majority (but not, I think, an overwhelming majority) are not paying attention right now. But the folks who usually vote WILL pay attention at some point (perhaps as late as a couple weeks before the election) and make their decision then. I believe that non-political Joe American WILL vote against Bush when the time comes. After he pays attention for a time.

[Liberal1965]

26. I totally agree

.

[newyawker99]

35. Hi Liberal1965!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[tom_paine]

21. I'm afraid I would have to see it to belive it

The Busheviks aren't working so hard to turn us from a Republic to an Empire for nothing.

Raygun's "teflon" has turned into Orwellian madness. Not ONE of the scandals you mentioed above have touched Emperor Bunnypants*. For any one of them, Clinton would have been wearing an orange jumpsuit.

And remember, BunnyPants* has NEVER been investigated. He couldn't withstand it and thus it doens't happen.

Too much water under the bridge. The naked corruption practiced in broad daylight is astonishing, but only if you still think Amerika belongs to the Free World.

Myself, I think we are rapidly transitioning out of that group if we aren't out of it already.

I will have to see something to believe it. And I still think if anyone even tried to start an investigation of Bunnpants*, people would die. Many more discredited, all their secrets exposed by TIA (thats Total Information Awareness, not TruthIsAll), many smeared by the Party-Loyal Right-Wing Sub-Media...but some would die.

I'll have to see swomething to believe it, then the crushed reputations and mysterious deaths will fall like rain.

[burythehatchet]

27. Reading your thread title it seems like BushCo neoconazifascists are turds

[proud patriot]

28. I wrote a poem called "Poetic Extinction" all about this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=331850

POETIC EXTINCTION

desperate grasping , barely holding

unexplained convulsions of logic

Lashing out fierce screams of blame

thinking of survival Wailing Flailing

lying dealing death to surrvive

Screams , Pain , hate, agony , fear oh yes FEAR

Eating one's own, you know that kind of Fear

The fear of nightmares

Camouflage it , hide behind it , metamorph it

puffing plumage raising hackles loudly barking
changing colors

altering strategies smokescreens of stench

hungry predators, following the trail , searching

weakened hiding running Scared

hoping hoping predators circling

focussed dedicated hungry

backed into a corner

Cowering Sniveling Crying

The extinction of the republican party

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=331850

[tom_paine]

30. From your lips to God's ears, proud patriot

But after seeing what She has allowed to transpire on this Earth, I wonder if She is even listening...

[proud patriot]

31. she is now

when tens of millions of her children took to
the streets around the world screaming out to
save her , she roused .