The Freeps have completely lost it.

[Archae]

You'd think, "Just how nuts can they get at Free Republic?"

I seriously doubt any of them could get worse than this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1017777/posts

[Don_G]

1. Want To Send Them Completely Off?

Suggest Hillary will serve after 8 years of Dean/Clark.

[ALago1]

3. LOL

I think if that were to actually happen, the Democratic party would never have to worry about losing power because all Republicans will be simultaneously killed off by one great big group anyeurism.

[Skittles]

34. lol...........Alago1

I was thinking they'd all foam at the mouth and choke.

[bleedingheart]

46. from your lips to god's ears...

[corarose]

25. After Dean Chelsea will serve

That should drive them completely insane.

[KissMyAsscroft]

2. LOL!....totally insane posting

Not coherent at all. What a fucking mess.

Oh, and Zell Miller spoke out against the "treasonous Democrats"

Can someone kick this guy the fuck out of the party already?

[Don_G]

4. Don't Kick Him Out Of The Party

There are positions of Dog Catchers still open...like Frostbite Falls, Minnesota?

[dflprincess]

48. We have enough problems in Minnesota

without adding Zell to the mix.

[charlie]

5. Haha

They're busting Al From's nuts because THE DLC GAVE US CLINTON! Looks like they might hate the New Dems more than they hate us standard-issue leftist loonies. Too much fun.

[ClintonTyree]

6. Their...............

paranoic delusions have reached a new level. Do they just refuse to take their meds, or aren't they being administered properly? Universal Healthcare (you know, the Socialist type) would go a long way in bringing these psychotics back into normal productive society.

[Cat Atomic]

7. That post can't be representative of many people.

It just can't. It's disjointed and outright hysterical. I mean- this part is just inexplicable:

"Secret Democrat manifesto detailing the undermining of President Bush in wartime by the seditious misuse of classified intelligence data from the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence."

Has this person read the memo, or did they just post it in the body and leave the interpretation to Sean Hannity? I can't find the scandal anywhere in it. If anything, it's more damning to the Republicans than the Democrats.

It ends with:

"we have an important role to play in the revealing the misleading -- if not flagrantly dishonest methods and motives -- of the senior administration officials who made the case for a unilateral, preemptive war."

That's an attempt to EXPOSE treason; to get around a partisan whitewashing of a legitimate investigation into the roots of an unjust and illegal war.

It's just so strange.

[AntiCoup2K4]

10. It's not so strange, if you accept that we live in Orwell world

War is peace. Ignorance is strength. Freedom is slavery. Lies are truth. Patriotism is treason. Fascism is patriotism. etc.

[paulsbc]

14. that quote and this memo

imo, are pretty bad.

The Senate Intelligence committee is supposed to be above partisan politics. This line shows that the minds of the drafters are already made up regarding the intelligence data that they have yet to fully review, and elsewhere in the document it mentions timing the release of the information for maximizing damage to the administration.

That is perfectly fine in a partisan committee, or as a party stance, but has no place in the Senate Intelligence Committee.

I believe you all are wrong in dismissing this. If the Republicans on a non-partisan committee were to be caught doing this, we would be screaming for their heads as well, IMO.

[sandnsea]

19. I don't see it

I am trying to be objective and see where this memo has anything to do with Bush and I'm not finding it. I see a plan to push the Republicans to investigate thoroughly. Could you pull out the portions that say the Democrats will use this to damage the administration. Thanks.

[paulsbc]

20. damage is implied

and the memo stinks of partisan politics, which is not what this particular committee is about .

items in the memo that are partisan and that have no place in the intelligence committee:


The Democrats will then be in a strong position to reopen the question of establishing an independent commission

when it becomes clear we have exhausted the opportunity to usefully collaborate with the majority.

We can pull the trigger on an independent investigation at any time-- but we can only do so once. The best time to do so will probably be next year

Once we identify solid leads the majority does not want to pursue. We could attract more coverage and have greater credibility in that context than one in which we simply launch an independent investigation based on principled but vague notions regarding the "use" of intelligence. In the meantime, even without a specifically authorized independent investigation, we continue to act independently when we encounter foot-dragging on the part of the majority

[sandnsea]

26. We *should* be doing this

Who is going to expose Bush's lies if not the Democrats? And they ARE Bush's lies. Bush committed treason for chrissake, what are the Democrats supposed to do, nothing? And it does have to get coverage or the investigation will go nowhere. Other than the comment about the best time to do it being next year, which could also mean the most likely time to get coverage to expose Bush's treason, I just don't see anything in here that implies this is purely political. I'll say it again, Bush committed treason against this country and it's up to our Democrats to expose it.

[paulsbc]

27. not in this committee

I agree 100% that the Democrats should be doing and saying what they feel is right w.r.t. politics and exposing what they believe is wrong by the administration.

But this committee is NOT the place to be doing it, it goes against what the committee is supposed to be about, places the Democrats in a horrible position w.r.t. the partisan politics angle, and deflates the core message that you want to see from the areas that are proper.

That you can't see the pure political nature of this memo is beyond me. It clearly indicates a pre-conceived notion of what they will find, clearly indicates a desire to use that at times most beneficial to the Democrats, and clearly indicates manipulation of a non-partisan committee for partisan purposes.

[sandnsea]

29. What committee then?

The Intelligence Committee is the ONLY committee that can thoroughly investigate Bush's lies on this war. Who else is going to do it if now them?

[kodi]

41. elected officals trying to open up the government's actions is treason?

one would have to link, as the GOP does, the repuiblican party with the state itself to consider this true

the gop senate has been remiss in not doing their constititutional duty to provide a check to the executive branch, all because, THEY are playing politics with foreign policy.

[Eric J in MN]

43. Senate commitees are BASED on parties.

Because the Republicans have a majority in the Senate, they control all the committees. They can stop the Democratic minority from exposing the Bush-Cheney intelligence tampering.

Democrats may have to hold separate hearings to bring this matter to light. The Democratic minority already had a hearing on C-Span a couple of weeks ago about the leak regarding Ambassador Wilson's wife. They were apparently planning similar hearings about other intelligence matters.

Democrats should do whatever it takes to learn the truth. The Memo says after we've learned all we can as the minority on the commitee, we should hold separate hearings. It makes sense.

[Oilwellian]

50. Let's break your little quotes down

The Democrats will then be in a strong position to reopen the question of establishing an independent commission

Why don't we HAVE an independent commission then if the Republicans think partisan politics is at play here? Hmmm?

when it becomes clear we have exhausted the opportunity to usefully collaborate with the majority.

No surprise this was included in the memo. The Dems ARE facing a huge amount of stonewalling by GOP. Here's the definition of stonewalling:

Main Entry: stone·wall
Pronunciation: 'stOn -"wol
Date: 1880
intransitive senses
1 : chiefly British : to engage in obstructive parliamentary debate or delaying tactics
2 : to be uncooperative, obstructive, or evasive
transitive senses
: to refuse to comply or cooperate with

Now, whose playing politics here???

We can pull the trigger on an independent investigation at any time-- but we can only do so once. The best time to do so will probably be next year

Maybe they took this cue from White House chief of staff Andrew Card who explained why the debate on the war was being pushed past last summer's doldrums: "From a marketing point of view, you don't introduce new products in August."

Once we identify solid leads the majority does not want to pursue. We could attract more coverage and have greater credibility in that context than one in which we simply launch an independent investigation based on principled but vague notions regarding the "use" of intelligence. In the meantime, even without a specifically authorized independent investigation, we continue to act independently when we encounter foot-dragging on the part of the majority

Again, a response to GOP stonewalling. See definition above.

[ComerPerro]

21. Well, the mention Bush in the memo

By saying that he had deliberate lies and that he may have manipulated intelligence.

But I don't see this as an abuse of the committee, nor do I see it as a "treasonous" attack.

Fuck the Republicans, and moreover FUCK BUSH. He has done everything he can to politicize the war and 9/11, so much that the memory of 9/11 is no more than just the punchline of every speech he gives.

Why is the White House covering information????

[tlb]

22. You're right but shhhhh

Don't spoil their fun on a Saturday night.

Myself I see it as whistling in the dark. This is one of the worst screwups since 2000. Rockefeller bungled it and this memo will now be used ever after to shrug off all democratic attempts to look behind the curtain at the intelligence blunders which, not only under Bush, but since at least 1996 have been misinforming the presidents and Congress about Iraq.

There are other democrats, ie - the candidates, better situated to make political points. It's tragic for not only the party but for the country that the intelligence committee members have discredited theemselves so stupidly and unnecessarily.

But why let that get in the way of an energetic bash at the freepers. It's not like there is anything good on tv.

[Cat Atomic]

33. Yes, it *should* be above partisan politics, but they're stonewalling.

I'm operating from the assumption that the Republicans are stonewalling the investigation. There's plenty of evidence to support the assumption, from Bush's own attempts to block the committee's formation, to the constant complaints from committee members about not being given access to pertinent documentation.

If you're looking for partisan politics, I think that'd be the easiest place to find it.

[angka]

49. it just shows how far things have come.

this memo is explosive because it reveals that relations have fundamentally broken down between an increasingly outraged democratic party, and a GOP that is closing ranks in single-minded defense of the present administration. they (intel commitee GOP majority) will 'not look into' these issues because they know where that path ends—their own destruction.

so down the rabbit hole our brave dem senators go...!

[janx]

51. Yes, it is supposed to be above partisan politics.

Yet the Republicans are blocking a large part of the investigation ...because the president is a Republican!

Do you see?

[0rganism]

17. How did "memo" become "manifesto"?

Oh well, who cares. It sounds more impressive as a "manifesto".

[leesa]

32. Don't you think it's probably only a few posters under different names?

I suspect the RW is funding them and they are paid like the pro-war protestors by Clear Channel and the disruptors at the election fiasco in Florida. The posts are too similar and too uniform in their agreement.

[FDRrocks]

8. DU

Grasswire posted a positive response to the link your link provides. I read it, and was disgusted.

edit: http://www.democraticunderground.org/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=676882

[ComerPerro]

16. Grasswire seems to be of the opinion

That having this investigation into the memo about an investigation will show how dirty Republicans are, the tricks they are using to cover their illegal and morally questionable actions, the administrations own treason, and will encourage the Dems to start playing dirty and hit them with their investigation.
She also seems to think that the media will take note of the Republican investigation, which will result in the public attention of the Democratic investigation.
I don't know if that strategy will work, but I hope she is right.

[LoZoccolo]

9. Oh man, that's like /surreal/!

It looks like something that kids on ecstasy would read when they're tripping. It reminds me of the /Teletubbies/ or something except it's supposed to be scary! Then there's that weird picture of Hillary Clinton twice and the saxophone thing...oh man. I feel sorry for the kid who got his picture of a turkey turned into propaganda.

I saw this girl I thought was tripping on acid or something, asking people if they are going to have a "honeymoon on the moon" and stuff on the orange line today and like, that would be the kind of thing you would have to keep away from her or it might disorient her political views to the point that every news story she reads and hears would just become part of her conspiracy theory or something! It is especially dangerous because of all the pictures and colorful formatting and stuff!

You know I'm reading that memo and I can't see anything wrong with it. It's like Sean Hannity acted like it was so bad so that we can't do anything reasonable about the stonewalling and all that. I guess if I wanted to make it seem more evil I would put stuff like the Hillary picture in the middle of a bunch of stuff about it too.

And I didn't even really read the thing, I just glanced through it and paid notice to the typesetting and stuff!

Oh no, I don't know if it's from that page, but my headphones just played the "mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore" think from /Network/. They did /not/ embed that in the page, tell me they did /not/ embed that in the page PLEASE!

[LoZoccolo]

11. Whew...I guess they didn't embed it there.

They embedded it /here/:

http://members.aol.com/noblog/streamofshame.swf

I fear for this country.

[BigBigBear]

12. Buncha freaks

Someone hand these wingnuts a nice cool glass of Hawaiian Punch and some fresh baked chocolate chip cookies.

Then...off for their nap.

[1songbird]

13. I don't take this matter

as anything to joke about. The California Recall was not taken seriously initially as well. The Rethuglican party is pushing the limits with each illegal, ill-gotten gain they make. Now we know that they have been complicit in covering up lies and stone-walling on the 911 commission, but they have the press in their pocket. We should start fighting right now ourselves before this snowballs out of control. These jerks just convinced a major television network to dump a freaking stupid movie. We should counter with our own petitions asking for a full independent investigation of who leaked the name of Valerie Plume, who stole this memo, and most importantly how was the pre-war intelligence used.

What they're trying to do is to make any earth shattering info that comes from the Senate Intelligence Investigation seem null and void.
We can't let that happen.

[ComerPerro]

15. Some of this shit is downright confusing

Even for someone like me who regularly visits their site and other right wing sites. That whole post is just fucked up. Its like a mass orgy of anti-Clinton propaganda garunteed to work any loyal Bushbot into a spasitc, orgasmic release by the time they get to the bottom.

But it doesn't make much sense.

Its funny how these fascist, nazi, sycophantic jerkoffs like to consider themselves inquisitive and on top of things, but they never stop and think about what Bush is doing.

FReepers are potentially some of the most dangerous people on the fucking planet. Holy shit, they already think that anything resulting in Bush not getting his way is treason.
What happens when the administration officially declares Democrats and liberals as enemies, treasonous, or as terrorists? (They already have with their "with us or with the terrorists" and "Oh, so you love Saddam" rhetoric). But wait until they actually give these sadistic assholes the approval to start killing us!

[BuckeFushe]

18. Why do we bother with them?

They are the fringe, just like godhatesfags.com, and a dozen other hate sites who get away with ther shit BECAUSE of free speech. The issues facing US are too important to waste time on these mouthbreathers. They come in here, post horrific shit, get bounced, and wear getting bounced as a badge of honor amongst their amoeba kin.
We give them cause to mock with our "did you see what they said" bullshit.

(sorry, tired of this trash, and I hate being reminded of them. Sometimes I wonder if this isn't being done purposely to tweak us).

[Don_G]

24. It Is To A Small Degree

But if we can set them off, that will isolate the middle of the road Republicans from their more unreasonable sect.

[Resistance Is Futile]

28. Never underestimate the enemy

Underestimating the power of the extreme right machine is a huge part of what got us into this mess. The freepers represent a very large portion--indeed likely the majority--of the Republican grassroots and keeping an eye on them is very important both to track the changing shape of propaganda (from both sides) and because these are kind of the people who will turn into brownshirts once the idiot king gives the order.

[JackSwift]

23. You had me at "The Freeps..."

Of course they are crazy.

[DS1]

30. no graphic talent at all, you can spot a winger pshop from a mile away

:eyes:

[RuB]

31. They're demented without a doubt.

[livinontheedge]

35. Sadly, that f'ing memo gives them political cover to stonewall.

WH will say, why should we cooperate with an obviously partisan attack from the left? They don't want the truth. They've already made up their mind. We'll say "you're stonewalling". They'll say "You're attackig the WH". In the end, they will stonewall and get away with it because of this memo.

[Skittles]

39. WTF

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? The DEMOCRATS are being "PARTISAN"?? Oh that's RICH.

[Vitruvius]

36. Lost it? They never had it.

n/t

[Faygo Kid]

37. Mia T is a regular - one of their biggest fruitcakes

TOTALLY obsessed with the Clintons. Cuts and pastes these rambling, illustrated diatribes regularly. You're right - they can't get much more nuts than Mia T (although God knows they try). Guess I visit there too much to know this, but fascinated by guessing what makes these people tick.

[Cooley Hurd]

38. I signed it with this quote:

"Find the source of the leak and prosecute them! And Hannity, too!"

I agree with Grasswire's post. The only crime here is that an internal memo of the Senate Select Intelligence Committee was leaked - obviously by a Repug.

The dumbasses don't even know they're setting up themselves! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! :dunce:

[grasswire]

40. dupe but that's okay

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=676882

[drfemoe]

44. It wasn't leaked

And it didn't suggest anything illegal .. what it oulined is a perfectly legitimate procedure. They want to dig deeper and I don't see any reason why they shouldn't.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/11/07/intelligence.flap/
..snip..
Among the options outlined in the memo is a rarely used procedure by which the committee minority can force a broader investigation. The memo suggested that the procedure could be attempted next year.

Defending Rockefeller, Democratic Whip Harry Reid, D-Nevada, said, "The investigation should be more than looking at what the civil servants did ... but at what what the policymakers did."

Reid suggested Republicans might have stolen the memo from the secure offices of the Intelligence Committee.

"The American people must understand that this memo that has been talked about was somehow stolen from the offices of Senator Rockefeller and his people that work in the Intelligence Committee," said Reid. "It was purloined ... and then made public by the majority. "

....

[Zero Division]

42. If I actually expected reasonable responses from most Republicans...

I might have died of an incredulity-induced aneurysm seeing some of their responses to this memo.

I saw one of their most outrageous responses on Kevin Drum's blog calpundit.com, where one conservative poster claimed that this memo was "obviously worse than the Valerie Plame affair".

They remind me of a small child who's just punched another kid in the face and then throws themself down on the ground in an attempt to make themself look like the real victim (although perhaps Josh Marshall's analogy of the beaten boxer crying "cheater" may be better).

[drfemoe]

45. I think the analogy

of half their brain tied behind their back fits.

[snippy]

47. KKKreepers will kill Christ if He ever returns.

For KKKreepers, Jesus is way too:

a.)Socialist
b.)Communist
c.)UnAmerican
d.)Treasonous
e.)All of the above

[jmowreader]

52. That is the strangest thing I ever saw...

It's early in the evening, though; things can get worse.