Just to put job creation numbers into perspective

[jeter]

Bush has created aprox. 100,000 jobs in the past two months. The vast majority of them are retail, seasonal, minimum wage type of jobs.

In fact, in the past three months the US has lost another 72,000 manufacturing jobs.

So in the past three years the Bush economy has still lost aprox. 3,000,000 jobs in total.

During the Clinton years. Clinton created on average 220,000 to 250,000 jobs per month, every month, for 8 years. Creating 20,000,000 jobs in total during that time.

So Bush's job creation record is still horrible. This is spin coming out of Washington. And the media is buying it.

The Dems have to go out and say "What ever happened to the American Dream?"

We have to explain the differences.

Yes, Bush I's "jobless recovery" created similar type of numbers. 50,000 here. 100,000 there. But not enough to effect the overall economy.

[TreasonousBastard]

1. In fairness...

manufacturing and other good jobs declined under Clinton as well, and a lot of McJobs were created back then.

However, although no President can either be totally blamed for bad news or credited with success for good news, this administration has absolutely no plan for any middle-class improvement, or ladder for the lower incomes to rise higher.

Shouting from the rooftops and bragging about the "success" that last month's job numbers didn't suck as much as the previous months' is not my idea of properly running the country.

If they keep up the "great" 125,000 or so new jobs a month, that's still a net loss of around 50,000 a month. Four more years of that job "creation" and we're in the hole for another 2 million jobs.

Remember-- we need 150-200,000 new jobs a month just to keep up with new people coming into the job market. Anything less than that is job loss.

[ComerPerro]

2. Great point, and a kick

Partly because the board is dead right now, and partly because this is an intersting analysis.

you are right, a lot of the "job creation" has to do with companies hiring seasonal help for, oh, I don't know, CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!

Plus, Bush has still lost 3 million jobs.

Also, when they point out that jobs are being created, they don't mention that these jobs are low paying jobs, not at a living wage, and are in most cases a pay cut for workers.

But Republicans are just fine with that. This explains why there are going apeshit over the "job creation".

When you fuck up the economy so bad that 7% of the workforce is collecting unemployment, then they will take any horrible $6 an hour job they can get, just happy that they are working. Hell, why risk fighting for your rights with your union when you are just glad to have found a job.

[radfringe]

3. Snowjob and Baghdad Bush's job projection numbers

a couple of months ago Baghdad Bush cited a projected number of 1,000,000 jobs to be created by spring of 2004

Snowjob followed this by upping the ante and saying that 2,000,000 jobs would be created by the fall of 2004

That still leave approximately 1-2 million more jobs needed just to break even with the 3.5-million jobs already lost

A few things aren't factored into the latest job numbers -

***how many people have just "dropped" off the rolls because they have either given up or because their unemployment ran out?

***how many people have taken lower wage jobs than they previously held before being laid-off?

***how many of these "new jobs" are seasonal or just temp positions that will disappear in a month or two?

***how many people are working 2 or 3 minimum-wage jobs just to make ends meet?

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meanwhile - how will the latest mutual fund scandals effect the markets, the willingness of people to continue to invest and thereby the overall "health" of the economy?

[shirlden]

4. Sure it is spin

but we don't have to explain this to the sheeple. The reality is in the trenches. They know or will soon know that their duly un-elected pRez has been blowing smoke up their knickers when they are standing on a street corner watching the bus pass them by. Patience is all we need. The cry to throw the bum out will come from the very people that are now supporting this sorry excuse for a human. You can not feed a family on wages from Wal-fart and McDiddlysqaut or any other 8 buck an hour temp job.

:kick:

[bywho4who]

6. Sheeple Are Bout to wake up for sure.

But; :cry: only a few, The masses are still asses.:: Most think the GOV. is on the up&up stuck in past. When i saw 9/11/01 take place i started digging, Now i know much much more how history took place than before. I watch much closer what there up to now.:smoke: :hippie:




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[welshTerrier2]

5. Some Additional Data

American companies laid off 100,000 workers in September ... they laid off 125,000 workers in October ...

the trend is negative ... while there may have been a net gain in employment, you correctly cited that most of the newly created jobs were low paying jobs in the retail sector ...

American workers continue to lose good paying jobs at an alarming rate ... and failure begets failure ... as more an more Americans become either unemployed or underemployed, their purchasing power decreases ... and consumer confidence decreases ...

and no amount of white house spin can change the reality of what consumers have in their bank accounts ... and if consumers aren't buying, more layoffs will follow ...

it's not that democrats are glad to see the economy in bad shape ... we're not glad at all ... the poorest among us suffer the most when the economy stinks ... but as long as it is in bad shape, we're elated that it's hurting bush ... very elated ...

[bywho4who]

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That is all i see it as!:smoke: :hippie: