Jackson may face backlash over Dean endorsement

[wndycty]

NOTE: Despite my backing of Clark I will still work hard to make sure Congressman Jackson is re-elected (after all he is my Rep.), but I thought you guys would be interested to see how it is playing at home. This is from the paper that covers Congressman Jackson's congressional district. I do not believe his opponents have a chance, but it is still interesting to see how his support of Dean could be used against him.

Jackson may face backlash over Dean endorsement

Sunday, November 9, 2003

In a case of bad timing — really bad — U.S. Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. announced his support for presidential candidate Howard Dean days before Dean stepped on his own tail and offended black voters, liberal white voters and pretty much the entire South.

And Dean was doing so well.
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The comment drew immediate criticism from black leaders.

Despite the comment, Jackson plans to endorse Dean at an event in South Carolina, the same state where nearly 50,000 blacks marched to the state Capitol three years ago and demanded the removal of the Confederate flag on the dome.

South Carolina is influential in presidential races because its primary is in February. Winners and losers will begin to shake out.
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http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/columns/Acurrent/mcqueary.htm

[Classical_Liberal]

1. There is a fight between Sharpton and the Jacksons that is revealing

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=17139

I can't believe blacks are going to fall for this. Frankly, they become less important because they are not in a coalition with the poor whites. Their states aren't winnable for this reason.

BTW, I do have to question the priorities of people in such poor states to put the rebel flag at the top of the agenda.

I remember during the Mississippi referendum a black man standing line to vote against this flag who thought it was racist, never the less thought the issue was less important that education, health insurance and the economy. He really wanted to know why this issue was front an center.

I was outraged when the Party refused to stand with the black caucus in protest over the purge. The party does neglect blacks. However most of the present crop of PResidential candidates who were in Congress are the people who refused to do so. Edwards, Gephardt, Kerry and even Kucinich refused to lend them moral support. The issue of voting rights is rightfully a thousand times more important than this.

[tsipple]

2. It's the Hatfields and McCoys

Sharpton and the Jacksons keep fighting, and no one seems to remember why it started.

[Classical_Liberal]

6. I think Sharpton views Jessie Jr, as having inherited his position

which is partially true, however unlike the Jr in the whitehorse Jessie Jr, is no airhead. I actually think he is an improvement on Jessie Sr in the speaking and scholarship department. Unlike both Jessie and Sharpton Jessie Jr has been elected to public office, and not as a n Uncle Tom candidate like so many republican blacks.

[IndianaGreen]

9. The only position of Sharpton's is that of racist and charlatan

Even Socialists recognize Sharpton for the scumbag opportunist that he is, as evidenced by this 1998 WSWS article:

New York lawsuit winds down
Sharpton, lawyers guilty of defamation in Brawley case
By David Walsh
25 July 1998


The defamation trial of attorneys Alton Maddox, C. Vernon Mason and the Rev. Al Sharpton neared its conclusion Thursday in Poughkeepsie, New York--some 60 miles north of New York City--with the expected no-show of Tawana Brawley during the damages phase of the proceedings. The three defendants were found guilty July 13 on 10 out of 22 counts.

<snip>

Those who argue that the truth or falsehood of Brawley's claims is irrelevant, considering the legacy of slavery and oppression of blacks in the US, play a particularly pernicious role. Lying has never advanced any progressive social cause.

There is a connection between the lying, defamatory character of the Brawley campaign and the role of racialism. Those, like Maddox, Mason and Sharpton, who preach racial animosity and strive for privileges for their particular color or nationality must lie in their presentation of social life. Society is not a collection of warring ethnic tribes; it is fundamentally divided along class lines, between the elite handful who control economic life and the vast majority of working people. Racialists make things up because their conceptions do not correspond to reality.

Brawley elicited sympathy not only from among nationalists at the time of her alleged attack, but no doubt as well from among black people and others outraged over the nature of the crime. If there is something to be learned here, it is the real danger of reacting to such a situation without weighing the facts and making a reasoned analysis. Such an analysis implies having a perspective on society and an understanding of its essential driving forces. Figures like Mason, Maddox and Sharpton, and their counterparts of every color and background, are dangerous individuals. They play on confusion, ignorance and prejudice to advance their own reactionary political aims. The lesson is: beware of demagogues!

http://www.wsws.org/news/1998/july1998/braw-j25.shtml

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

30. I like Jesse Jackson Jr.

I respect him highly, and he has a good record.

[Skwmom]

3. In talking to my black friends it is more than the CF issue.

It is also the affirmative action issue where Dean is on record saying that AF should be based on class not race. People in the south understand why this will not work. I know Dean has "developed" and changed his mind (stating that race should also be considered) but the problem is that Dean has changed his mind on too many things. Therefore, they do not put any trust in what he has to say.

[tsipple]

4. No, It Was the Other Way Around

Dean said that class also ought to be considered.

Which I agree with completely.

[Skwmom]

7. Dean is on record stating that class NOT race should be considered. e/o/m

[Classical_Liberal]

8. Citation?

?

[mbali]

16. CNN Late Edition

April 9, 1995.

GOV. DEAN: "You know, I think we ought to look at affirmative action programs based not on race but on class, and opportunity to participate."

[Classical_Liberal]

18. Where's the rest of the sentence?

Opportunity to participate in what?

[mbali]

21. Full Quote

Gov. HOWARD DEAN: You know, I think we ought to look at affirmative action programs based not on race but on class, and opportunity to participate.

JEAN MESERVE: You sound like Newt Gingrich.

Gov. HOWARD DEAN: Well I don't know what Newt Gingrich-

Gov. GEORGE ALLEN: No, Newt Gingrich hates class warfare. Newt Gingrich would not ever want to .

JEAN MESERVE: But he's talked about a means test for affirmative action.

Gov. HOWARD DEAN: Well I think people from working class families who have not had the opportunity- the educational opportunity, regardless of whether they're white or black, ought to be given some kind of opportunity, and that may mean doing something for those groups of people, but I don't think it ought to be done by race.

JEAN MESERVE: And we're going to have to leave it there, I'm afraid. Governor Dean, Governor Allen, Governor Bayh and Governor Carlson, thank you all for joining us.

[IndianaGreen]

10. "Society... is fundamentally divided along class lines"

"Society... is fundamentally divided along class lines"

Not a Howard Dean quote, but a David Walsh's quote that encapsulates what Dean tried to say. Had Dean been a socialist, which he is not, he would have had an easier time in finding the appropriate language to describe the message he was trying to convey, which is that the GOP has used symbolism and code words of race, religion, and patriotism, to keep people divided that would otherwise be natural allies by virtue of their economic class.

New York lawsuit winds down
Sharpton, lawyers guilty of defamation in Brawley case
By David Walsh
25 July 1998

Brawley's claims were mirrored in the cases of Charles Stuart in Boston and Susan Smith in South Carolina. Stuart, who was white, murdered his pregnant wife and claimed a young black man had done it, setting off a ferocious manhunt, with traces of lynch-mob hysteria in the media and Boston police. He later owned up to the crime and committed suicide. Smith, who ultimately confessed to drowning her children in a fit of depression, initially told authorities that they had been abducted by a black carjacker in a stocking cap at a deserted intersection.

In each incident the individual told the authorities (or nationalist demagogues, in Brawley's case) what he or she thought they wanted to hear, given the prevailing social atmosphere. In Brawley's case, most shamefully, her allegations were promoted not only by charlatans like Sharpton, but by organizations claiming to be left-wing and "socialist." The only result of such "left" support is to drive backward layers of the population into the arms of the right wing, encourage racial polarization and make it more difficult for genuine victims to win support in the future.

Those who argue that the truth or falsehood of Brawley's claims is irrelevant, considering the legacy of slavery and oppression of blacks in the US, play a particularly pernicious role. Lying has never advanced any progressive social cause.

http://www.wsws.org/news/1998/july1998/braw-j25.shtml

[SahaleArm]

35. The Tawana Brawley Defense?

I'm surprised you haven't used the Chewbacca Defense to explain Dean's position evolution. The false premise is that we live in a colorblind society, we don't even live in a merocratic society.

[blm]

23. How about using that flag to explain his NRA support

and then lied saying he was talking about race relations?

[JNelson6563]

5. At least you are consistent

Kickin' this off less than 12 hours after your last Dean bashing thread.

Well you keep fanning those cold-by-now coals dear. It's all the less time you are doing anything constructive for your own candidate.

I hope all the Dean Haterz play in this swamp today. Posting often and spending the day just slapping down (repeatedly) any soul who wanders in and says something supportive of Dean.

In the meantime I'll be getting much accomplished on behalf of my candidate as will other Deanies I know.

Have a great, non-productive day!! Why not work on some of those lists you're keeping?? ;-)

Julie

[wndycty]

11. I try to be. . .

:kick:

I just posted a story and I did not seek to bash the good Dr.

[Name removed]

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[wndycty]

13. Wow. . .

Now I am being accused of lying and having erectile dysfuntion. I would challenge you to provide proof of both. LOL

[Classical_Liberal]

14. Since your Dean bash from yesterday is still on the first page

it is pretty easy to provide proof of the first assertion. That being said I assumed sarcasm on your part until you posted this.

[wndycty]

15. I simply posted a story. . .

. . .and even mentioned that Jackson's support of Dean would not impact my support of Jackson, please explain to me how that is bashing Dean?

[Classical_Liberal]

17. You have posted a number of antidean stories

Everything I have seen you post bashes Dean. There is never anything posted by you that is positive about Dean. If you have a positive view of Dean then whether it would impact you vote for Jackson would seem beside the point.

Though there are people who post things that are not there opinion on occaision, it is not likely that someone who posts all one particular opinion is not actually of that opinion.

[wndycty]

19. Last night was an objective question. . .

. . .not a bash. I asked if Dean's DU supporters who were celebrating the comments of the Confederate flag waver, while ignoring the African American who was turned off cared about possibly alienating Black voters. You view it as a bash I view it as a question.

[Classical_Liberal]

20. The way the question was asked was loaded

In a when did you stop beating your wife kind of manner. It was a flamey question.

[wndycty]

26. I still don't see how it was a loaded question. . .

. . .since no one in the original thread I referenced expressed concern that the African American gentleman mentioned in the article had his doubts about Dean. I think it was a fair and objective question.

[JNelson6563]

28. I'm sure you did

"fair and objective"....hahaha

I'm sorry, were you thinking you actually had any credibility? Like anyone here with a clue thinks you are capable of such! Good one!


Your hate for Dean is palpable. Makes it kinda obvious you aren't feelin' all that secure with your own candidate. You behave like a supporter of one of the more desperate campaigns (I won't mention any names ;-) )

Julie

[wndycty]

29. My hate for Dean?

Guess who I was supporting before I learned of the General and who is still #2 on my list.

And if you are are calling the General's campaign desperate look who is beating Bush in a Newsweek poll and who is leading in South Carolina.

[JNelson6563]

33. read again sweet, simple wndycty

I said you are acting that way. Not that that was the case. It makes your behavior all the more puzzling. Desperately lashing out at Dean all the time, at every opportunity (even those you create) and Clark is the only one not in a desperate situation.

Remarkable. Truly.

Julie

[wndycty]

34. Am I lashing out at Dean or. . .

. . .proivding constructive criticism? If you notice I have never bashed him, I have criticized him (I have also criticized the General) but I have never bashed him. I will admit to a few potshots towards Dean supporters but I have never bashed Dean.

Truth be told, if most Dean supporters weren't so defensive they would understand the what many of us who support someone else but like Dean are just vocalizing the reasons he is not our #1. I have chosen my candidate, but I bet if the Dean campaign and his supporters listened to the criticisms and learn anything they might be able to pick up some undecideds.

Realistically as long as my guy is in Dean has no shot of being my #1. But at some point and time all of us will be on the same team behind the same guy.

[mbali]

22. Failure and/or refusal

to kiss Dean's butt = Dean bashing.

Get it?

:-)

[JNelson6563]

31. Get a clue

See running a 24/7 anti-Dean campaign as this poster is makes it obvious what their intent is. The fact that they lie about their motives indicates they real realize what they do is counter-productive, uncalled for and pretty much the behavior of a desperate loser/despearte loser supporter.

Which puzzles me. Such behavior from supporters of certain other candidates I understand but a Clarkie? Hmmm. I guess we can be glad MOST Clarkies are genuinely confident with their man or there would be no civility here in GD.

Julie

[paulk]

24. Who are Mel Reynolds and Anthony Williams?

Who may run against Jackson? Are they D or R? Do you think his support of dean could hurt him in 2004? Could he be challanged from inside his own party?

I'm curious. How big is the Con. flag in South Chicago?

[wndycty]

25. Neither is threat to Jackson

Mel Reynold's is a Democrat who held the seat before he was busted for his little affair with the minor.

I don't know much about Anthony Williams, but he is not a threat.

However the press will allow them to take pot shots at Jackson over this support of Dean. It won't cost him his seat, but it may result in some type of distancing between himself and Dean after he formally endorses him in South Carolina.

[Cocoa]

27. maybe they can find another "Jesse Jackson Jr."

to run against him.

That has to be my favorite dirty trick, though Rep. Jackson was not amused. :-)

[GingerSnaps]

32. Sharpton can't win

Jackson knows that Sharpton cannot win even if he is one of the better candidates in our party.

[wndycty]

36. I don't think there was any chance of Jackson endorsing Sharpton

:kick: