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eyeontheprize Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 06:02 PM
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A young friend of my kid's wants to know how to avoid the draft.
He is 12 now and has pronated ankles, we checked and that wouldn't do it. He is otherwise healthy. In the alternative, if he has to serve where would he be safest?
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 06:06 PM
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1. get him to file for conscientious objector status when he becomes 18.
Check with the Friends. They know the ropes. If he
becomes injured playing sports as an older child,
he could probably qualify for a 4-F. I think his age
is his best bet. If we are still messing with this
war in 6 years, then we'll all be dead.
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 06:20 PM
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12. Head for Canada
Take the family to Canada before it is too late.

It's too late for my nephew, who took a bullet in the spine in Iraq for Halliburton. He's 23, his life is ruined...
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 06:27 PM
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17. canada has already made deal with bushco

there is NO easy out over the northern border.

this has been discussed here many times.

do some research before you depend on this 'out' please...
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 06:07 PM
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2. 1. asthma 2. taken Ritalin after the age of 12 and 3. homosexuality
Edited on Sun Nov-09-03 06:08 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
these are the only 3 deterrments in the new draft

tell your daughters too
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 06:08 PM
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3. what?
That means I can be drafted. Are you sure elsewhere? Hook me up. :scared: I thought my heart condition kept me safe.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 06:18 PM
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10. John i heard Rangel say this...i'm sure that your condition will keep
you out too...as well as many other medical conditions
:hug:
be not afraid
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 06:34 PM
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21. oh my
I hope so, I am not only afraid for my safety but for all. :hug: thank you.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 06:28 PM
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18. don't count on homosexuality keeping anyone out
if they need bodies.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 06:34 PM
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20. damn and we have been boning up on "merchandizing" with Lowell
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 10:47 PM
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26. Depends on what kind of "Chotchkis" you get....
And I don't think we have the same kind of "agreement" with Mexico that we do with Canada...The border's watched pretty well, though...
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 06:09 PM
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4. He can learn from the pros...check this out:
Edited on Sun Nov-09-03 06:11 PM by KeepItReal
"Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve.

Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve.

House Majority Leader Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve . "So many minority youths had volunteered ... that there was literally no room for patriotic folks like himself."

Former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott - avoided the draft, did not serve.

GW Bush - decided that a six-year Nat'l Guard commitment really means four years. Still says that he's "been to war." Huh?

VP Cheney - several deferments, the last by marriage (in his own words, "had other priorities than military service")

Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - did not serve ; received seven deferment to teach business ed at SW Missouri State

Jeb Bush, Florida Governor - did not serve.

Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve , too busy being a Republican.

Former Speaker Newt Gingrich - avoided the draft, did not serve "

http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html

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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 06:12 PM
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5. Nice :)
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Bozola Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 06:14 PM
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7. There's a though!


The best way to avoid the draft is by becoming a Republican.

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eyeontheprize Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 06:16 PM
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8. Is there a link to the ploy's they used to avoid service.
I know I've seen one somewhere that also listed the supposed reasons that these chickenhawk avodided service.

Thanks
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 06:20 PM
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13. Check out the Chickenhawk Database
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 06:14 PM
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6. my son is also 14....my daughter is 22 and would be called up...
we have already spoken of this ...and neither of them will ever take up arms and kill another human being...they are not afraid of being killed so much as having to kill another.

and i will take a baseball bat to their kneecaps to prevent bush from making them have to kill...:(
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 06:16 PM
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9. Campaign like
hell for a democratic candidate. Going door-to-door with some literature a couple hours a week for the next year won't be nearly as hard as basic training.
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eyeontheprize Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 06:19 PM
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11. LOL
He is more interested in politics every.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 06:26 PM
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16. Great!
Please encourage him to get serious. We need foot soldiers. Turn him on to DU and meetup.com. Let him know that there are thousands of people working to put an end to this war-mongering adminsistration but that we need every bit of help we can get.
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sventvkg Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 06:22 PM
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14. How about this.Tell them NOT TO GO.......
Just burn draft card, and tell the bastards to Fuck off...Did they come drag draft dodgers away and force them to serve during Nam I dont' think so..The worst that could happen is that that they will have to do a little time..Not much..Then when a new administration comes in they will be pressured to pardon the draft dodgers because they know that the War was a Farce...That's what will happen..Just have to have the balls to stick yor finger in their face and tell them you are not going to serve in their Bloodbath....That's what I would do.
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Unknown Known Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 06:23 PM
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15. I really don't think there will be a draft
Rummy's got the go ahead from the House and the Senate will vote next week on the final bill to basically privatize the DoD. This has been Rummy's dream for a long time.

The draft would just cause too much disruption to the Empire. What I think will happen is this privatization will change our military into a private enterprise. This is the way it has been drifting for awhile - they will hire any mercenary from any part of the globe. You won't have to be an American to serve in the American Empire military.

See my earlier thread -

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=679903
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 06:32 PM
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19. ACTION: contact your Reps oppose the "Universal National Service Act."
Date Last Reviewed: 1/31/03

Pending Military Conscription Bills: Legislative Update

SAY NO TO RESUMING THE MILITARY DRAFT. On January 7, the first day of the 108th Congress, Rep. Rangel (NY) introduced the "Universal National Service Act of 2003" (H.R. 163), legislation which would resume the military draft and require a two-year period of national service for all men and women aged 18-26. Specifically, the proposal would "provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security." Reportedly, Rep. Rangel's office has been receiving many inquiries and expressions of support from other members of Congress. Current cosponsors include Reps. Abercrombie (HI), Conyers (MI), Lewis (GA), Stark (CA), and McDermott (WA). Sen. Hollings (SC) has introduced companion legislation in the Senate (S. 89).


ACTION: Please contact your representative and senators. Urge them to oppose the "Universal National Service Act."

MESSAGE: Military conscription is an integral part of the war system, whose ultimate intent is the destruction of human life, and compulsory national service is a form of involuntary servitude. Both are deeply abhorrent to our religious values. The military draft is not the way to bring about the end of war. Instead, we believe the tremendous human and material resources now devoted to war and preparing for war should be redirected to address the root causes of violence, to build cooperative, international institutions to peacefully prevent deadly conflicts, and to advance human security in all its dimensions. Further, we recognize the importance of service to our communities, and we encourage all to serve. But it must be voluntary and an expression of individual conscience-not compelled by the state. Compulsory national service would threaten our basic liberty and undermine the very principle of voluntary service to community.

BACKGROUND: Rep. Rangel is concerned that Congress and the American people are being too cavalier about supporting the President's plans for war against Iraq. He notes that only three members of Congress have children in the military, and only one of those is in the enlisted ranks. The ranks of the all-volunteer military do not reflect a true cross section of American society. Rep. Rangel introduced this bill because he wanted to stimulate a more sober consideration of the importance of shared sacrifice. He hopes his bill will provoke a deeper and broader public debate about current U.S. foreign and military policy.

The Rangel bill would require everyone aged 18 to 26 to give national service -- either in the military or in the service of homeland security -- for two years. Women, as well as men, would be required to serve. Conscientious objectors inducted into the military would be required to train and serve in the military in non-combatant roles unless transferred to another national service program, subject to the discretion of the President.

We at FCNL share Rep. Rangel's concern that the public is being led into war by the Administration without a full public debate about the true costs of war in blood and treasure. The Administration has done little to promote a sense of shared sacrifice. In fact, the President's proposed tax cuts, combined with the Pentagon's commitment to the "all-volunteer" military would make a war in Iraq seem virtually cost free for the average American today.

This is troubling. It should be difficult for a democracy to go to war, not easy. A seemingly cost-free, risk-free war lulls the general public into disengagement from the actions of its elected leaders on crucial issues of war and peace. It makes it easier for the government to wage war.

However, resuming the military draft is not the answer to the problem of how to prevent a war. The Administration is already rushing to war against Iraq while this bill is moving slowly, at best, and the Selective Service system is dormant. It would take at least two years to get the system up and running and complete boot camp for the first draftees. It would take longer still to arouse the public through this method. Thus, as a tactic to prevent imminent war, this bill is too late. If we want to prevent war, we need to use other, more immediate and direct methods. Congress must rescind the war resolution, among other things.

Further, resuming the military draft may not even be a good way to promote shared sacrifice. Throughout history, persons of privilege have always managed to get the deferments, exemptions, or special placements they wanted for their own. During the Vietnam war, the ranks of draftees were filled by men from poor and minority communities in gross disproportion to the race and class composition of American society at the time.

Most observers believe that it is unlikely that this bill will get very far. The Pentagon is strongly opposed to resuming the draft. The Pentagon says it has met its recruitment and retention goals with volunteers for each component (active, reserve, National Guard). Further, the Pentagon is concerned that a draft with limited service (e.g., two years) could create morale problems and dilute the quality of its high-tech force.

On the other hand, as the war in Afghanistan drags on, as the Administration prepares for war with Iraq, as the conflict with North Korea intensifies, and as the war on terror expands to dozens of countries around the world, the armed forces may begin facing personnel shortfalls. An indication of this was seen on January 14 when the U.S. Marine Corps imposed a "Stop Loss" order barring from leaving the service all active and reserve duty Marines who were scheduled to leave the service between January 15 and September 30.

Will the other armed services soon follow suit? Will requests to increase troop strength soon follow? Will enough volunteers come forward in a time of war, or will a military draft be needed to fill the ranks? We at FCNL will continue to monitor the situation in the months ahead. However, for now, everyone needs to keep their focus on preventing war with Iraq and reducing the scope and duration of the war on terror.

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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 06:42 PM
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22. Documented mental illness....
Sorry, but it is true.....
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 06:57 PM
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23. Needless worry, the draft is bad for warmongers.
No Way this is going to happen. Where are all these thread on the draft coming? I guess people don't have anything to else to talk about, there is alot more real stuff out there than the "draft".
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 07:00 PM
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24. Start a Conscientious Objector file
and start it now. There needs to be a papers trail of proven pacifism going back several years. He should maybe join a Quaker church. When the opportunity comes along he should write school papers demonstrating his pacifist beliefs. He should march in ant--war protests and have pictures of him taken at the rallies. And barring that, have him smoke some joints the night before his draft physical.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 10:41 PM
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25. Can't we all just be gay? I mean, if we tell, the "don't ask, don't tell"
thing kicks in, doesn't it?
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