The Saudi bombings

[9215]

There have been a few topics on this, and I see alot of people putting out some good thoughts on this, but missing some very important aspects.

When I attempt to determine motive I ask myself:

What do the Saudis want now more than anything else? What do they and, by way of parenthesis the Bushies, see as the biggest threat to their future?

I'm not going to answer that. I would like people who read this topic to take some time and think about that question while understanding that the game of world conquest is one of very high level psy-ops--what are they trying to make people think?

Then please put in your take.

Hint: I base my take on the belief that the Bushies, Al Qaeda, and Saudis are in cahoots. If you don't believe this then please move on to another topic.

Thanks for your participation.

[leftofthedial]

1. al Qaeda is a phony boogeyman

created by the Bush GOPNAC Cabal with the help of their Arab friends

They are using it to scare us (Americans) into obedience and compliance, if not acceptance and even support, of their end-of-the-petroleum-economy world plans for worldwide hegemony.

This created a problem for the Saudis, who are facing a real rise in Islamic fundamentalism, domestic support for the agenda of their phony boogeyman "terrist" organization, and widespread dissatisfaction with the links between the Saudis and the corrupt infidel West. Part of the rationale for invading Iraq was to create bases in the region so we could move US troops out of Saudi Arabia and alleviate some of this domestic pressure.

Trouble is, it is hard to scare Syria and Iran with these new bases when they are shelled nightly with impunity by ex-Iraqi busdrivers and busboys.

So, the Bush GOPNAC Cabal (including the Saudis) are now using the al Qaeda boogeyman to depopularize radical islamic extremism within Saudi arabia and throughout the Arab world, and to scare Saudi citizens (and citizens of other Arab countries) into support of a new, more overt partnership between the Bush GOPNAC and the Saudi royal family, probably including stationing US troops in Saudi again.

[KoKo]

4. Yes, my "gut" tells me what you say is true...and reading many articles..

My head says..there's a little more to it with "complicity" by innocents, but, if one puts it in a nutshell....so much points to your simple answer. And sometimes the "utltimate truth" lies in simplicity.
(someone famous said that, and I paraphrase..but can't remember the person to quote..sorry)

[9215]

6. Thanks for your reply

I'd like to address your points.

Thanks for your reply.
Al Qaeda is a phoney boogey man created by the Bush GOPNAC Cabal with the help of their Arab friends
I don't know if they created them but I agree they are using them.

They are using it to scare us (Americans) into obedience and compliance, if not acceptance and even support, of their end-of-the-petroleum-economy world plans for worldwide hegemony.
I agree, but what is this bombing trying to make Americans think?

This created a problem for the Saudis, who are facing a real rise in Islamic fundamentalism, domestic support for the agenda of their phony boogeyman "terrist" organization, and widespread dissatisfaction with the links between the Saudis and the corrupt infidel West. Part of the rationale for invading Iraq was to create bases in the region so we could move US troops out of Saudi Arabia and alleviate some of this domestic pressure.

I agree, the Saudis are faced with some serious regional pressure from other Arab nations, but NO Arab nation will do anything against the Saudis who are allied with Big Daddy USA. They have been considers elites along with the Kuwaities for decades often referred to as dupes of the CIA. Saudi Arabia does not really need friendship with other Gulf States when the USA is there to protect them. So I don't think this is the Saudis "greatest fear". There is another bigger fear.

Trouble is, it is hard to scare Syria and Iran with these new bases when they are shelled nightly with impunity by ex-Iraqi busdrivers and busboys.
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So, the Bush GOPNAC Cabal (including the Saudis) are now using the al Qaeda boogeyman to depopularize radical islamic extremism within Saudi arabia and throughout the Arab world, and to scare Saudi citizens (and citizens of other Arab countries) into support of a new, more overt partnership between the Bush GOPNAC and the Saudi royal family, probably including stationing US troops in Saudi again.
I disagree on the first point: the radicals become more, not less popular when they attack the puppets/dupes of the US. The Saudi citizenry that is not elite is irrelevant and powerless to the rulers, but US citizen support for Saudi Arabians against a "common enemy" is a primary interest. The rest I addressed above.

[leftofthedial]

14. thanks for the topic

I tried replying a couple of hours ago and after 20 minutes of typing, managed to lose my reply.

I'll try again, though more briefly.

I agree that the message for the American people is that the Saudis are not the bad guys and that we should support them. (That is as big a lie as "Bush is a good guy and we should support him.")

The CIA and Saudis DID create what is now "al Qaeda." In Afghanistan in the 80's CIA training and advice, US weapons and Saudi money built the basis of the organization.

The Saudi's problems I listed are domestic more than regional. Their citizens have grown increasingly restive with the ruling family and needed the same kind of convincing that we Americans got on 9-11. This bombing will help convince Saudis to exchange some of their Islamic fundamentalism for security, just as 9-11 convinced some Americans to trade civil liberties for "security."

The US military presence in Iraq started out as very scary for the rest of the ME, but now, by failing to build a coalition and by badly screwing up the occupation, the Bush GOPNAC Cabal have shown we don't have enough troops to really bring Iraq under control, much less to use it as an effective springboard into Syria or Iran or wherever.

As to the last point, I don't believe it was ME radicals at all. And apparently neither do you. Killing Muslim families does little to unite an already unlikely hypothetical group of Iraqi resistors and ME terrorists. Baathists and Shia Muslims and Saudi extremists and professional ME terrorists are unlikely partners to start with and certainly won't be united by scenes of little Arab kids being hauled away on stretchers. These women and children were not good symbols of US influence. The government, security apparatus, commercial and industrial targets would be much more symbolic and much more likely to motivate pan-Arab sentiment among those who oppose the US. In Iraq, for example, the resistance has targeted Americans directly, Iraqi police, Iraqi contractors, and the international (that is, western) aid organizations that provide the facade of legitimacy to the Coalition Occupation.

This bombing was masterful propaganda. This was a message to Americans to cut the Saudis some slack--they are victims too. It was a message to the Saudi public to get back in line or we won't be able to protect you. It was a message to other ME countries that they should curb the growing Islamic activism that is growing in their own mainstream citizenry.

[DUreader]

2. I believe the Telegraph may be offering a hint, LBN thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=209565


Bombers alienate Arab
opinion by killing
Muslims

[DuctapeFatwa]

3. That is definitely the spin, and with the US voting class, it will fly

What the rest of the world thinks is irrelevant.

[9215]

7. With everybody turning against the illusive, damn

they are illusive, Al Qaeda it shouldn't be long before they are rounded up and brought to justice........Why do I think this will never happen?

What is becoming clear is that Al Qaeda is either in a serious self destruct mode--alienating their base of support-- or they are a phoney construction.

Why would they intentionally undermine their base?

The reports of Arab opinion shift will be alluded too, but Al Qaeda will never be caught. Since terrorist orgs cannot operate in a social and political vaccum the finger will continue to point at the true source of Al Qaeda backing......the Saudis.

This attack may, in the short run, confuse the Arab World, but not in the long run.

Who the attacks may confuse in the long run, unless investigations commence, are Americans and other Western nations.

IMO this attack was staged by the Saudi--Bush--terrorist axis of evil because the Saudi's greatest fear is the continued interest of Western investigators in their financing Al Qaeda. I think this is their greatest fear.

This is a classic manipulation of the "enemy of my enemy is my friend dynamic".

Please see my reply "The biggest fear" below.

I probably should have just put this in the original post, but I wanted to get some other people to give their take without seeing mine.

[Yupster]

5. Is there anything

that happens in the world, that is not the fault of the USA?

[maggrwaggr]

12. is that a rhetorical question?

or are you being sarcastic?

The trouble with our current government is that they've lied to us so much that we can no longer believe anything they tell us.

Chances are whatever they're telling us about anything is a lie.

So in trying to figure out the truth, we can only speculate and connect the dots that we know about.

The motivations for the saudi bombings are interesting to speculate about.

It's interesting how "al queda" never seems to actually take credit for bombings such as these.

And how the Americans knew it was coming and are now warning of more.

And how the biggest threat to the Saudi Arabia royal family is grassroots islamic fundamentalism.

And how the Saudis might actually want to garner support for their argument that Al Queda is bad because they kill Muslims.

It makes about as much sense as anything we're being told.

[DuctapeFatwa]

13. That reminds me of the young man who got promoted to manager

Suddenly, he was in charge. He got to set the goals, assign personnel to achieve them, initiate projects, manage workflow and prioritize tasks. He had a budget.

After a week, he complained to his friends,

"The money is great, but now all of a sudden, every damn thing is MY fault."

[9215]

8. The Saudis biggest fear, IMHO. Please comment

Notice how quick the suspects became Al Qaeda, just like after 9/11, and there is never anyone caught. The first thing I thought of was how the Saudi's "clamored" for an investigation by Bush of Al Qaeda financing back about 5 months ago or so. Remember that?

That maneuver was heavy psy-ops IMO.

They get people thinking: "Why would the Saudis call for an investigation if they were culpable?"

Well, the would want to appear to be asking for an investigation if they wanted to distract from accusations they are in cahoots with Al Qaeda and they knew that Bush, long time business partner with the Bin Laden's, was not going to investigate them, as he didn't.
A modified version of this was played when that guy Kean, a man with a vested interest in seeing the Saudis get out from under this investigation, was appointed to head the 9/11 Commission and he asked the WHouse to turn over documents knowing full well they wouldn't, but confusing people as to his "conflict of interest". He improved his credibility among skeptics by "getting tough with Bush".

This is more of the same stuff:

Why would the Al Qaeda attack (which we don't know they did) Saudi Arabia if the Saudi's are their breadwinners, which we know they are??

It all is designed to make things look like the Saudis are the "enemy of Al Qaeda too". The "enemy of my enemy is my friend" syndrome. Those attacking, like 9/11 and the others in Iraq are never found. There are no trials (Moussaoui's was a joke) no followup, NOTHING. The fascist and Saudi alliance just blow shit up and move onto the next incident, keeping a steady stream of fear provoking incidents to maintain their political position amidst the turmoil and Al Qaeda are NEVER PUT ON TRIAL! They are put away in GTMO or speciously tried like Moussaoui and there is NOTHING accomplished.

Al Qaeda, as they are popularly percieved: a network of international terrorists bent on the destruction of Western Civilization is looking more and more like the myth it is. The greatest story every told.

The main thing the Saudis want to stop is further investigations into their relationship to Al Qaeda.

But when you look at the history it is obvious the Saudi's have been financing Al Qaeda and are working very hard to distract those focusing on this.

"The Man Who Knew": May he rest in peace.


The main obstacles to investigating Islamic terrorism were U.S. corporate oil interests and the role played by Saudi Arabia in it. - ex-FBI Deputy Director John P. O’Neill - late July 2001, he was later killed in the WTC.
(<http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4321860-103677,00.html> ) statement made to French authors Jean Charles Brisard and Guillaume Dasquié, authors of "Forbidden Truth".

[DUreader]

9. Check out this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=207591&mesg_id=207591

[9215]

10. Links on Saudi financing Al Qaeda

For those newer to the board you may have missed these discussions

Saudi Princes linked to terror funds....Bali bombing: http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=16977&forum=DCForumID61
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/03/04/1046540187386.html

Saudi princes linked to terror funds
March 5 2003
By Mark Forbes
Canberra
The Australian Federal Police is investigating allegations that European organisations helped fund the Bali bombing operations.
The revelation follows a report on the ABC's Foreign Correspondent program detailing claims that Saudi Arabian funds, funnelled through Europe, were used by the Bali bombers.
Washington-based lawyer Allan Gerson told the program he had evidence that Saudi Arabians gave money to terrorists in Europe who visited Bali.
An AFP spokeswoman confirmed that inquiries were being made. "It is possible there could have been a link between the European groups mentioned by Mr Gerson and those involved in the Bali bombings," she said.
She declined to comment on the claimed links to Saudi Arabia......
Dr Gerson, leading a bid on behalf of September 11 victims to sue Saudi Arabian banks, charities and royal family members, said it was likely the European cells funded by Saudis helped fund the Bali attack.
He could not reveal too many details because his evidence had been uncovered through judicial co-operation with European nations. He said the money from Saudi Arabia went to terrorists connected with that country.
Former FBI analyst Matt Levitt, now with the Washington Institute, told the program that one of Saudi Arabia's largest charities, Al Haramain, was set up to fund terrorism and was now a front for terrorist groups, including al-Qaeda.
Confessions of al-Qaeda members revealed that wealthy Saudis had funded Jemaah Islamiah through the Al Haramain foundation, Mr Levitt said. JI is allegedly responsible for the Bali bombings.
Many Saudi charities were directly linked to terrorist activities and several of these had strong links to the Government and the royal family, he said.
The Indonesian and Singaporean governments are expected to resist any efforts by lawyers, acting for September 11 victims, to surrender intelligence material that might assist their civil damages case. A lawyer representing families of 600 people killed in the September 11 attacks said that confidential court documents show a link between Saudi Arabian financial organisations and suspects in the Bali bombings.
The lawsuit has been filed in the US District Court and names as defendants three Saudi princes, seven banks and several international Muslim charities that allegedly gave funds to al-Qaeda.
Diplomatic sources in Washington said there was concern the lawyers may try to use the Bali link to pressure the governments of Indonesia, Singapore and Malaysia to disclose intelligence material.
- with Marian Wilkinson
US Treasury Sectretary issues Paul O'Neil issues warning about charities like Al Hamain being used for terror. Notice how he has been "marginalized by the Bushies. This also shows the link to Balkans. Need to corroborate with Michel Chossudovsky's work on Balkan terrorist orgs in file "Balkan Bribes". Also Google Halliburton muscle org. Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) +Hamain. They are connected. http://www.fas.org/irp/news/2002/03/dot031102fact.html
....The branch offices of Al Haramain in Somalia and Bosnia are clearly linked to terrorist financing. The Somalia office of Al-Haramain is linked to Usama bin Laden's al-Qaida network and Al-Itihaad al-Islamiya (AIAI), a Somali terrorist group. Al-Haramain Somalia employed AIAI members and provided them with salaries through Al-Barakaat Bank, which was designated on November 7, 2001 under E.O. 13224 because of its activities as a principal source of funding, intelligence and money transfers for Usama bin Laden....

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11. good stuff, 9215

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