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oustemnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 12:36 AM
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Kee-ryst; the Right's latest spin on Jessica Lynch
according to a contingent of wingnuts posting on, uh, some message boards, Lynch wasn't being used by the Pentagon and the Admin, but rather, her story was blown up to heroic proportions by--wait for it--the feminists and the media, to drum up support for women in the military.

Sure, they're going to use the story of a woman who was captured and had to be rescued as proof of women's fitness for combat duty. And, has there been an official challenge of women in the military that would necessitate such boosting?

Does anyone know which right-wing shouting head has planted this idea in their heads? The notion is so nonsensical and departed from logic to have been arrived at by a number of people independently, even those kooky freeps.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 12:40 AM
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1. Bwah-ha-ha....There are none so blind as those who WILL NOT see.
It amazes me how many hoops these right wing morans have to jump through to maintain the illusion they are downtrodden and oppressed victims.
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Coldgothicwoman Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 12:48 AM
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2. I saw that on umm...message boards earlier too
And the very first thought I had was, quite simply... Where do these idiots think the media got the story?!? They didn't just pull it from their collective rumps!

:wtf:

Its like banging your head against a kevlar wall with the added kinetic energy of a hydraulic press... :(



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jfxgillis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:23 AM
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15. LAUGH again!!
I swear to God I have a wing-nut pal who tried to tell me exactly that.

PRECISELY that.

He said Schmidt must've made it up because the original story was so thinly sourced.
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Unity Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 12:55 AM
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3. She shouldn't have seen combat in the first place....
She was part of a support unit. But because of Rumsfeld's lack of troops, the supply lines weren't protected. F@#$ers!

Let them try and denigrate the women over there putting their life on the line for their fat asses. I don't think that will fly well.
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Beaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 12:57 AM
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4. That must be the instuctions in the weekend BlastFax from Herr Rove.
Now that their mind-control of Jessica has failed, they need to duck-and-cover, twist-and-shout like only they can. Jessica will be the new Monica. And only one more week until Herr Rush is back to broadcast beam the lies and distortions directly into the waiting blank & empty cerebellums of his many ditto-headed minions. Within two weeks, the story will change from Jessica being raped, to Jessica being a double-agent, with an important message from Bill Clinton to Sadaam Hussein, who killed all the people in her humvee to cover her traiterous tracks, and then seduced the Iraqi platoon to satisfy her forbidden carnal desires while her American comrades lay dying...
I'll let Rush finish the story.
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oustemnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:00 AM
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6. please, don't give them any ideas!
of course, I know it's a joke, but clearly these clowns will grab at any straws.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 12:58 AM
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5. they've taken denial to a new level
If the truth isn't working for you, just make something up! And call it the new truth!

Talk about rewriting history.
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Philostopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:02 AM
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7. Wait, wait ...
It's not complete until the Clenis is implicated, is it? How can they work that in? I deal with enough wingnuts day to day -- somebody PM me when they figure that one out, though. I'm fascinated by abnormal psychology.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:04 AM
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8. well, saying she was raped would undermine the feminist argument
for front line female combat personnel, since it was the one of the reasons the conservatives mentioned as why they did not want the females near the front lines.

dont you think?

up is down with these inbred piglets
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:14 AM
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12. Jessica Lynch was not raped, according to the doctor that treated her
Iraqi doctors dismiss claims that Jessica Lynch was raped

By The Associated Press
European edition, Saturday, November 8, 2003


NASIRIYAH, Iraq — Iraqi doctors who treated former prisoner of war Jessica Lynch dismissed on Friday claims made in her biography that she was raped by her Iraqi captors.

<snip>

Dr. Mahdi Khafazji, an orthopedic surgeon at Nasiriyah's main hospital performed surgery on Lynch to repair a fractured femur and said he found no signs that she was raped or sodomized.

Khafazji, speaking at his private clinic in Nasiriyah, said he examined her extensively and would have detected signs of sexual assault. He said the examination turned up no trace of semen.

<snip>

He said Lynch was fully clothed with her field jacket buttoned up. "Her clothes were not torn, buttons had not come off, her pants were zipped up," al-Saeidi said.

http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=18570
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:17 AM
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13. yes, and the neocon writer lied to undermine women in combat roles
see?
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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 10:25 AM
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24. Hate to mention it, but...
... men get raped also.

At least women generally tell someone and get the help they need to exorcise their demons. Generally... not always though.

Men generally don't tell anyone. Maybe that's something that needs to be talked about so that more men who have been raped feel less afraid to get support that might help them.

Insane, the hangups we have about sex. It isn't just the U.S. though. Women survivors of the Holocaust reluctantly spoke eventually about what happened to them. The men still haven't chosen to speak about their experiences although other men have admitted to knowing it happened... to someone else.

I'm not a psychiatrist, but that could explain why a few of those "inbred piglets" act the way they do... macho as over-compensation?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:05 AM
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9. So what's new???????
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scottcsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:06 AM
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10. Using Private Lynch
Have you ever heard of David Hackworth? He's a military advocate and a man who first put on a uniform as a teenager, serving in the Merchant Marines at the end of WW II and then enlisting in the Army, where he served almost 26 years. He got himself in trouble during the Vietnam conflict for speaking out against that war. Hack tells it like it is. He wrote a column on Lynch that's worth a read:
http://tinyurl.com/uctv

I think many vets, and people currently serving, wonder why she's getting so much attention. I don't mean to demean her service, but obviously many young men and women have been killed, injured, maimed and left disabled for life due to this war. Instead of million-dollar book deals, the reward for service will either be a military burial or a wheelchair to haul their shattered bodies around the rest of their lives.

Most people don't know that the young people who are getting shot at are not getting paid much. $8.00 an hour is about average for someone who's been in the armed forces for two years or less.

I'm a veteran of the first Gulf War. I've spoken out on the current Gulf war on my web site, and of course I'm called a traitor or un-American for not supporting the Bush administration. I certainly support the troops and I hope they get to come home soon.

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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:11 AM
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11. Welcome to DU, scottcsmith!
:hi:

You won't be getting called a traitor or un-American here. :-) How did you find us? Do you have a URL for your Web site?
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Coldgothicwoman Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:47 AM
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17. Welcome to DU Scottcsmith!
:toast:

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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 02:34 AM
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20. Read your link and
that's pretty darn close to rape. Poor Jessie.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 10:48 AM
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25. Welcome to DU Scott!
My younger brother is a veteran of Gulf War I, Army, self-propelled Howitzers. Getting bad news lately regarding longitudinal health studies. Army saying that if he has children, their risk of birth defects is four times higher than average. Are you getting anything like that from the govt.?
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jfxgillis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:20 AM
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14. LAUGH
Oh, it's nut-ball all right, but it's not the "latest."

I think I can trace it back to four or five days after the rescue last April to a column on World Net Daily.

But David Frum, too, I think, spewed that line last April.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:29 AM
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16. the mind boggles
these morans are damaged goods.

I would have thought it impossible to hold so many contradictory thoughts at once, to embrace so many patently illogical notions, and to harbor so much hatred all at once. I'd go insane.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 02:01 AM
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18. When they get the RNC talking points fax to locate the closet
bridge and jump off as a sign of support for their beloved pResident, I doubt there'll be many questioning the wisdom of the request....
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 02:29 AM
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19. Not that it matters to them
but why would the "feminists" want to drum up support for the military?? .. Aren't most "feminists" pro peace and anti-war? Did I miss their parade to promote a belief in hauling a** into iraq?

Please straighten me out if I've got it wrong on this one.

As for the media . hey! thumbs up for forcing yourselves onto that black hawk helicopter during a secret mission with all those special forces carrying great big guns. Job well done!!!
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 06:50 AM
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21. The Pentagon is run by women?
Edited on Mon Nov-10-03 06:53 AM by The Backlash Cometh
Freepers just are amazingly stupid. If it was about women, why wasn't Shoshana Johnson featured? Throw that bone to the freepers the next time you get a chance.
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 09:39 AM
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22. Link: about a woman CAREER soldier who just died
A few months before her planned retirement, and after several decades serving as a soldier, this woman died in the most recent chopper crash. I'd like to see the right-wing attack HER as an incompetent soldier.

http://www.pressherald.com/news/state/031110blackhawkdad.shtml
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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 10:09 AM
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23. No One...
Sure, they're going to use the story of a woman who was captured and had to be rescued as proof of women's fitness for combat duty. And, has there been an official challenge of women in the military that would necessitate such boosting?

... should have to serve in the military, men or women, and no one would have to if the FReepers and their FRuhrer would quit starting wars.
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Brian Sweat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 11:36 AM
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26. Is there any evidence that feminist groups are behind the over blown story
My guess is no. I'm sure that NOW and other groups were quick to praise Lynch when her story first hit the news, but you cannot blame them for praising her and their praise did not create the story. I have seen articles from last April that show that unnamed military officials were the sources of at least some of the details in this story. To blame this on Feminist and the media is just sad.
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