I'm confused: Why would Bin Laden's "al queda" attack points in Saudi

[radwriter0555]

Arabia?

Riyadh: a new front against US
By John R Bradley in Jeddah
10 November 2003


America's fortunes in the Gulf were in free-fall yesterday after a suicide bombing in Riyadh late on Saturday that appeared to be aimed at undermining the Saudi monarchy, the United States' key ally in the region.

No one had claimed responsibility by last night, but the shadow of the fugitive Saudi national Osama bin Laden hangs over the outrage. At least 17 people, many of them Arab expatriates, were killed and 120 others, 36 of them children, were injured in a massive car bomb attack on a residential compound in Riyadh.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=462253

And

Letter from Bin Laden found on body of Saudi bomber
By John R Bradley in Jeddah
19 August 2003


A letter from Osama bin Laden and a telephone call made from Iran by his son Saad are linked to a series of al-Qa'ida attacks on Westerners in Saudi Arabia, according to Western diplomats and Saudi intelligence officials.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=435128

[Beaker]

1. They hate the House of Saud-

and westerners in what they consider to be 'Holy ground'.

It's kind of like the Tim Mcveigh types who detest our government.

[madddog]

24. Not Exactly

Bin Laden is by any stretch a religious fanatic who subscribes to a partilularly strict interpretation of Islam, and he holds other Muslims who don't share his beliefs in arguably greater enmity than the U.S. The House of Saud symbolizes all that is wrong with the Muslim faith, and is determined to try and remove them from ruling over Mecca, among other things.

Tim McViegh came to believe his government was at war with people like him. After Ruby Ridge and Waco proved that point, sufficiently enough for him, he decided to take revenge...forever damaging his cause, even if there was anyone else to take it up. As reprehensible as what he did is, religion wasn't a factor.

Although the government would sometimes have us believe that there are THOUSANDS of Tim McVeighs out there, the fact remains that they won't ever have the kind of support necessary to do what Bin Laden does...or the money.

Now, there ARE a lot of people here in this country who hate the government, but the worst thing they do is not vote!

[Tyler Durden]

2. Got a weird "terra-rist" incident?

Don't think a-l Q-a-i-d-a,

Think B-U-S-H. Just a thought.

[JHB]

3. Not sufficiently Wahabbist...

.../apostates corrupted by infidel Western influences, that sort of "reasoning".

[dArKeR]

4. Since the Bush Crime Family made Al Qaeda, to be used on a rainy day,

it's hard to figure out who's do what for what. Or self doing to self to confuse everyone else.

The Road to Sept. 11

In the late 80s, Pakistan's then head of state, Benazir Bhutto, told the first President George Bush, you are creating a Frankenstein. But the warnings never quite filtered down to the cops and G-men on the streets of New York.

http://msnbc.com/news/632825.asp

[Military Brat]

5. Because they're consorting with the infidels

If anyone knows what an infidel the BFEE is, it would be Osama.

[loudnclear]

6. But, has al-Qaeda claimed responsibility for any of these bombings?

In fact, they denied having anything to do with the UN compound bombing.
Now where does that leave you?

[TomNickell]

7. At this point 'al qaeda' may be a generic term.....

All accounts are that 'al qaeda' was always a decentralized organization. Of necessity.

With OBL in hiding and (no doubt) many leading figures gone, it is likely that there are many 'al qaeda's'. Probably competing for leadership.

[loudnclear]

8. Read how the US is spinning the attacks then tell me who is really behind

them.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/725741FC-94E7-473B-8094-CCE4B816071E.htm

[DoctorMyEyes]

16. Kinda OT

But it just happened again, and I'm wondering if it happens to anyone else.

Whenever I click on a link to english.aljazeera, it launches my Dreamweaver software!?!?

[paulk]

14. al-Qaeda never claims responsibility

for their actions.

[radwriter0555]

18. IT LEAVES ME CONFUSED... But at least I'm not one of the freaks

who just accepts whatever blanket statement o' the day from the bush regime, as truth.

[maha]

9. The House of Saud is bin Laden's first target.

This is important to understand. Bin Laden first and foremost wants the corrupt Saudi Royal family out of power in Saudi Arabia, the home of the Prophet. His beef with the U.S. is peripheral to that.

[bleedingheart]

11. I have read that the House of Saud is being held hostage by

the right-wing of its party. They technically fund the whole movement but they are so caught up in the supposed vices that they shouldn't be dabbling in that they are a target of their own machine.

It is all so confusing.

[maha]

12. The right-wing of its party = extremists Muslims

It's VERY confusing, I agree.

Very simply, the Sauds for years have been paying off the Wababi Muslims, including Osama bin Laden, in various ways to keep them from overthrowing their royal selves. The Sauds are double crossing everybody on the planet, including the United States, to stay in power.

We all know that Shrub and his minions are good buds with the Sauds, but Shrub's been able to hide documentation as to exactly how deeply in cahoots they are, so we can only guess at details.

Osama was pissed at the U.S. because of the U.S. troops on Saudi soil (at the request of the Sauds), among other things.

The point is that the ruling party in Saudi Arabia was Osama bin Laden's FIRST target, and his beef with the U.S. is mostly peripheral to that. So it's not really shocking that al Qaeda would target Saudis. They've done it before.

[Aidoneus]

10. I don't understand this particular choice of people to strike at,

but in general, the al-Saud dynasty is enemy #1 as far as "al-Qai'dah" is concerned. In their eyes, the Saudis are decadent hypocrites who sold themselves out as puppets of the "west", and have to go. Incidentally, that's a view of them that I am cautiously inclined to agree with. This view goes back many decades, when the modern line of the al-Saud dynasty first used the "Wahhabi" Ikwan to conquer the country for them, then only to betray the "Wahhabis" by becoming a British (later American) puppet regime and imperialist petrol station, brutally suppressing the Islamic Ikwan with British assistance and for "western" benefit. Of course, this that I say goes quite contrary to the false but common mythology that the al-Sauds are the heirs of the "Wahhabi" current, in fact they are the chief enemies and betrayers of that movement and opportunistically ally themselves with "western" elements in exchange for personal profit.

I don't see why "al-Qai'dah" would want to blow up a bunch of Arab servants of the royals (as the official line for this event seems to be), unless it was to send some sort of vague message that merely working for the al-Saud regime is a really bad thing that is punishable, or something convoluted like that.. it seems more like either a "black-ops" type of false flag operation (which I have some hesitancy believing, for neither the zionists or Americans--aka "the usual suspects"--have anything to gain by destablizing the Saudi client regime), or some bungled assassination attempt on Interior Minister Prince Nayaf (whose houses were nearby to the blasts) that went very badly. Either that, or logic wasn't involved in this and death was the first and last consideration. :shrug:

[Nihil]

13. "Letter from Bin Laden found on body of Saudi bomber"

That's a "suicide bomber"? Like with explosives and all that?

Damn! This is the fabled "smoking gun" that ties them into the
911 event: the letter was obviously written on the same kind of
indestructable paper that Mohammed Atta's passport used to survive
the explosion and subsequent conflagration in order to provide such
a positive identification two years ago!

Nihil

[Ficus]

15. Gulf War I

From what I understand - UBL's big problem with the Royals came in 1991 when Saddam invaded Kuwait. UBL had just gotten off of a huge victory over the Soviets in Afghanistan, and was convinced that he could beat anyone, after all he defeated one of the two superpowers. He hated Saddam and considered him a secular tyrant who was oppressing his muslim brothers, and offered his services to the Royal family to organize a popular resistance to defend Saudi. He said to them if you let the Americans in, they will never leave. The Royal family chose the US/UN route, and that really pissed off Osama, and since then has really held this over them.

Funny how the Bushies never tell that part of the story, about how UBL and Seddam never liked each other at all.

[TacticalPeek]

22. As you and maha point out,

the UBL offer to fight Saddam in '91 is a CRUCIAL fact, and it goes unreported in 99.99% of media venues.

It creates a pesky conflict with the Saddam/UBL 'terror partnership' propaganda. Tom, Peter, Dan . . . ?

[Rose Siding]

17. Who is best served by the attack?

I'm tin foiling about this one, too. -More like 'what if...'

The US sure knew it was comming (BOY! those guys know what they're doing in the intel arena *now*, don't they!?)lihop fits

Bad Arab PR for osama (HEY! You completely missed Satan!)lihop fits

[radwriter0555]

19. The bush regime.

Serves itself first and foremost.

[denverbill]

20. Maybe this will clear up some of your confusion.

[Brian Sweat]

21. The theory that I have heard is that

OBL originally formed Al Quada (The Base) not as a terrorist group but as an army that he intended to use to overthrown the Saudi royal family and then place himself on the thrown. When the U.S. established a permanent military presence in SA, they made it impossible for him to carry out his plan. As a result, he turned to terrorism in hope of driving the U.S. out of SA.

The story above about OBL trying to get support from the SA Royal Family to him in an attempt to form a popular resistance again Hussein would play right into this. What better way to take over a country than to organize an army to defeat the countries enemy. Once the enemy is defeated, OBL would be riding a wave of popularity. Then he just turns the reistance against the royal family with the help of Al Quada (his base.)

[Capn Sunshine]

23. BECAUSE THEY HATE THEIR FREEDOMS

oops. sorry. wrong country.
nevermind.
:nuke:

[dpbrown]

25. See the movie "The Silent American"

And then ask yourself how closely the strategy of 1950s CIA to stage terror attacks in Siagon and then blame the "communists" matches up with the strategy in Saudi Arabia to stage terror attacks and then blame al qaeda.

I'm not saying that's what's happening, but isn't it funny how all of a sudden the Saudis are being "targeted" by al qaeda? Mighty convenient all of a sudden for saying the Saudis, our "friends", are being attacked as well.