CNN is no better then Fox!

[joshan361]

many of us at the Clark yahoo group have been stating that Inside Politics with Woodruff and Crowley are doing what they can to discredit Clark and brush over points that really make him stand out.

They had the Rock the Vote debate which first time around i thought was very well put together. As someone has reported , the second airing of that show (which was suday 10 am.) conveniently removed parts of the orignal live brodcast. in point parts where Clark shined telling of what he was doing at the age of 20. Also removed was the part where Dean acknowledged that he took 1 yr off to go skiing prior to attending college.

I personally, over weeks have fired off letters to the Inside Politics show and always received a form reply, funny this time when sending a letter based on this issue i received no reply. I dont know what everyone else feels about this or have also noticed it but CNN is starting to stink to high hell!

[Supormom]

1. Since September 11, 2001

They took a large leap to the right.

[newyawker99]

2. Hi joshan361!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[joshan361]

10. thanks

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[eyesroll]

3. Did CNN omit the entire discussion of what they were doing at 20,

or just the responses of Clark and Dean?

If they omitted the entire question, I would say it could have been a legitimate editorial decision. (In truth, I don't really care what any presidential candidate was doing at 20, be it skiing, learning at West Point, or in jail, as long as they're decent people now and not conveniently glossing over the fact that they went AWOL from their guard assignment.)

If they only cut Dean and Clark's responses, I do kind of wonder, since it does offer an interesting contrast. Also of importance would be what else they cut and what else they left in. Sometimes, you just need to cut for time. But you can say a lot with what you choose to cut.
(I am an editor for a living, FWIW. I'm also a Dean supporter, in the interest of full disclosure.)

I do agree in general that CNN is maybe a tiny hair above Fox. Maybe.

Welcome to DU!

[joshan361]

9. my understanding

as i only seen the first live broadcast, im saying now what others have posted on the Clark yahoo group. my understanding is the show was selectively edited, parts of the "what were u doing at the age of 20" were removed.... not all.

a main point im trying to make is, this is a pattern that i have personally seen going on there for awhile now ( woodruff started it all with the first debate she hosted ) im have no idea what their agenda is over there. be it wanting Dean in for their liking him, or wanting him in for the prevailing belief he will be wiped up by Bush ( which i dont believe ).

also something i assume is there was no mention prior to the 2nd broadcast that editing was done ( no disclaimer ). might sound like alot of assumptions but this is the typical pattern i have personally seen.

the yahoo group has also posted a link showing a site to view this part of the second debate if anyone cares to see it.

btw thanks for the welcoming. life long Dem here!

[wtmusic]

4. CNN has always smelled pretty ripe

Maybe not as consistently as Fox. They just report what *they think* everyone wants to hear.

[Mysterio]

5. at least...

Clark and Dean did something with their lives at age 20. What did Bush do? Get a free ride through college while getting piss @$$ drunk. You never hear anything about that.

Mysterio

[Nite Owl]

6. Same form responses

here. And the last time I got nadda. In a way they are worse than Fox. With Fox you at least know where they are coming from, CNN 'the most trusted' is doing a sneak attack for the right. Why aren't they broadcasting any of the Dems speeches? We have to listen to the Unpresident and he is clearly campaigning.

[dennis4868]

7. I can't say that....

CNN is as bad as FOX or MSGOP but since 911 they have bent over backwards for Bush and his criminal thugs. They are not objective. Just look who they have on their payroll....novak, kurtz, zahn, etc...These are very conservative people. But again, it could be worse if you were watching the other 2 very conservative media outlets mentioned above.

[adriennel]

8. They are just as bad as Fox and proud of it

I totally agree with you, joshan361. Until a couple of months ago, I watched CNN and checked cnn.com religiously. Then I started to notice their reporting was slanting sharply to the right. I probably shouldn't have been, but I was shocked!! Not CNN, the news network I'm happy to see when traveling abroad!!
I too have sent email to CNN.com pointing out several of their heavily-biased reports, and received the typical form responses, along with one frosty response (which shows how much the network values viewer feedback.) I inquired about CNN's lack of coverage on Bush's visit to Australia and the protesters. I received an email response with no greeting, no explanation, no signature, just a link to an article with the title "Bush: Trip advanced diplomacy on North Korea" (which, btw, never evens mentions the word protest).
Clearly CNN is adopting the Fox model wholeheartedly Please tell everyone you know who watches CNN NOT to until CNN addresses its rapidly declining objectivity.

[joshan361]

12. im trying

well , this is why i posted the debate info here, to get the word out.

for everyone here write to CNN and jus get the word out. where can we get fair news reporting anymore? i think someone mentioned Al Gore wanting to start his own station but i dont have any info on that.

[adriennel]

24. DU rocks

Personally, I like to check the DU forums for the latest news! It's great to have users all over the net posting what they find.

[FDRrocks]

11. Who owns CNN now?

[Neecy]

AOL/Time Warner

CNN is owned by a huge mega-corporation that benefits from Bush policies. It's no longer a news network, but a propaganda arm for the junta.

Time magazine has also done their fair share of whoring (unlike Newsweek, which seems to be starting - grudgingly - to tell the truth). Check out this week's issue of Time online. It's a wingnut's dream.

Expect both Time and CNN to do a complete hatchet job on the Dem nominee next year.

[FDRrocks]

14. Thats what I thought.

[populistmom]

17. Bring back Ted.

However, Ted Turner sold out. At least when he was there we had a chance. At least it was moderate, now it's centrist/right leaning and there nothing in mainstream broadcast news. CBS still gives me some hope on occasion, but it's not much better.

[maggrwaggr]

13. yes especially in the last month or so, it's gotten bizarre

ever since the chimp complained about the coverage, well, they've become just as bad as Fox.

It's really weird, and yes, more insidious than what Fox does.

People still think CNN is "journalism". It's not.

[Snellius]

15. Wolfe Blitzkrieg just couldn't wait for the "Countdown to Iraq"

I think he was the worst war whore of the bunch because he kept trying to defend his journalistic virtue.

Lately, too, all the left-leaning reporters on CNN seem to be leaving: Kate Snow went to ABC and Aaron Brown seems to be on the way out.

Some of it may have to do with being in Atlanta. When I talk to friends in the South, even well-informed, Dem friends, they seem to be living on a different political planet. I live not far from ground zero but I was surprised, talking to a friend who recently relocated in S. Carolina, how were things there, he said "You know there's a war going on."

[jeter]

16. Starting to stink?

Hasn't it always stunk?

[FrenchieCat]

18. I thought so too! Watching

Election 2000 36 days of Bullsh*t was no better on CNN than on the remaining 2 Governmental News agencies, MSnbc and Faux. At least C-span give no commentary, thank God....but how many really watch C-Span.

Here is the link to the original broadcast... http://wesleyclarkblog.us
News and discussion advancing the candidacy of the next president.
Links - * Rock the Vote Debate, complete Clark appearances

also: http://home.earthlink.net/~deezerd/

I don't have the re-broacast though.....but saw it, and it was edited. I'm going to query around to see if anybody taped the 2nd showing.

[Dr Fate]

19. In many ways, CNN is MUCH WORSE than Fox...

CNN is very subtle about their support for Bush and the war in Iraq- in this way, they fool many people into thinking theirs is a "balanced" view.

Most people know right off the bat that Fox is pro-Bush, CNN is just as pro-Bush, but they do it in a way that appears less partisan- in that way, I think CNN is even worse...

Christine Amapour, one of CNN's top anchors admitted that CNN was pro Bush. pro war, and tried to emulate Fox...

[tom_paine]

20. That's true -- how many Imperial Subjects have I heard say

"I watch CNN. I watch Faux. The truth lies somewhere in the middle."

God, the fools! That's one of the ways that Corporate TV Pravda lulls the sheep into their anesthetized sleep.

At this time there is no Party-Loyal Left-Wing Sub-Media and Lie Laundry to counter Faux. IT DOESN'T EXIST!

(I wouldn't want there even to be one, except that now that the Party-Loyal Right-Wing Sub-Media and Lie Laundry exists I see no useful alternative that to creat it's opposite number)

Corporate TV Pravda is a weak, bullied, parasitized, non-investigative, center-right organization(s)...and that's being charitable.

But, yes, many Imperial Subjects think CNN is diametrically opposed to Fox and that "the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Which is like saying the American Communist Party Monthly Newsletter and Pravda are two opposites and that the truth lay somewhere in between, back in 1978...

[Dr Fate]

23. They are right in part, the truth does usually lie in the middle...

...the falaccy is that the space btween CNN and FOX occupies the right wing, not the middle...

That is exactly why CNN is so dangerous- they are viewed as "Liberal", "Moderate" or "Fair"- very few people seem to notice just how pro-Bush they are...as I said, even one of their top commentaors, Christine Amapour admits this bias, and was repremanded for doing so...

[AP]

26. It's always more dangerous when they DON'T wear their politicis on sleeves

With Fox, you know what you get. They're more or less up front about their bias. It's much worse when, for example, you need Christianne Amanpour telling you months later that the war coverage wasn't all it should have been in terms of being honest.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

21. Boycott all Cable "News" Channels! They are all "whoring"!!!

:puke:

If the Repugs can do it then we too should boycott the media for making us look bad!

[LuCifer]

27. I 2nd the motion!!!

Especially when anyone who is reading this, obviously, has access to THE INTERNET!!! You'll NEVER see a story from a UK or Canadian based news source airing on ANY American network, since it would damage their business that they have in front of the friggin FCC & Michael Powell. And if having him as the FCC chairman is not the most GLARING conflict of interest for the needs of Americans and OUR airwaves, I don't know what is!!!!!

Lu Cifer, we love you DU and Buzzflash and SmudgeReport and LynnSamuels.com and NeilRogers.com etc and so on FOR REAL NEWS, FAIR AND BALANCED.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

22. are you surpised?

this is cnn, the network that balances bob novak and kate o'byrne, with bush-enabling psuedo-liberals margaret carlson and al hunt. all debate on cnn is center right to fringe right (with carille being the only exception, but one man does not make up for 24/7 of otherwise slanted coverage)

[AP]

25. Holy shit. Is this true? They're editing these things to hurt Clark and...

...help Dean?

Man.

It is going to be hard to win in 2004.

[DeepModem Mom]

28. Who is CNN political director Tom Hannon?

I have asked twice on DU if anyone can find any information on the man identified in articles as CNN's political director, Tom Hannon. So far, no luck. Googling gets nothing but someone with his name as a "member participant" at a 1984 conference of the right-wing outfit founded by the Hunt brothers in Texas, Council for National Policy. Surely, it's not the same man -- although some posters have surmised it is.

http://www.namebase.org/sources/NV.html

Who is this guy, who, I assume, assigns Candy Crowley to Democratic candidates, enables Judy Woodruff, gives Novak air time, and employs, as CNN's "senior political analyst" a fellow of the American Enterprise Institute, Bill Schneider (assuming on the payrolls of both CNN and AEI)? Anybody?