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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 12:25 PM
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Question: Just how many partial-birth abortions are performed in a year?
Just curious. For congress et. al. to spend so much time on this, one would think that hundreds occur each day.
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Hep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 12:27 PM
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1. Here's a link
with lots of good information:

http://www.agi-usa.org/
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veganwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 12:52 PM
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6. according to their info
there were 1.31 million abortions in america and only 1% were done after 21 weeks so if we do the math that equals 13100.
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boilerbabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:08 PM
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8. I like to have one on an occasion...
Things get pretty boring here in CT, so we like to either host Botox parties or Partial Birth Abortion Parties...

Haven't been doing it much lately, since I don't get the weekends off like I used to!!

I hate it that those Republicans are cramping my style. Wish ALL Their parents had attended one of our parties!!
XXXOOO
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maha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:53 PM
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19. LOL!
Wow, I'm in the mood for a PBA right now!
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maha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:43 PM
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13. That doesn't tell us anything about D&X abortions, though.
There are other means to perform abortions after 21 weeks than D&X, and some D&X abortions are performed earlier.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:45 PM
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14. Late term abortions are third trimester, so I thought

If true, there were 1.31 million abortions, of which 0.08% were late term, which means there were 1048 late term abortions in the us for that period.
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Mysterio Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 12:27 PM
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2. I think....
Edited on Mon Nov-10-03 12:28 PM by Mysterio
it's only a few thousand that are done each year. Most abortions are usually done within the first 6 weeks of pregnancy.
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Mel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 12:31 PM
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3. Zero
The American Medical Association does not recognize “partial-birth abortion” as descriptive of a medical procedure.
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StopTheMorans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 12:32 PM
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4. Thanks for posting that:)
I was about to:)
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boilerbabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:27 PM
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10. Exaaaaaactly ! They act like this is something done in VIP Rooms
This, to me, anyway, is just a wedge in the door to totally usurp Roe V Wade. These people have been edging their way into the government for years, starting out with local school boards, town councils, etc. It is time for the rest of us to WAKE UP and clean house.
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 12:35 PM
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5. None. That's not the name of any recognised medical procedure
The med name is 'Dilation and extraction' or 'D&X'.

I think I remember reading that there are maybe 10 performed in a year in the US, usually to save the mother.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:23 PM
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9. What never ceases to amaze me is the number of otherwise
rational people, who seem to think this is common. Do they really think this is a procedure that physicians would WANT to do? Unless they are the distant relative of Joseph Mengele, I can't even imagine them not being totally reluctant to do these procedures. A procedure like this is occasionally done on cows that have been found laboring for hours and too weak/toxic for a c-section. I can guarantee you that no veterinarian would want to do it either. It is a procedure of last resort.

Get real RWers, this is truly much ado about something that almost NEVER happens. Ahh, the power of propaganda....
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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:50 PM
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16. They have to lie...
Do they really think this is a procedure that physicians would WANT to do?

Or one that women would WANT to have?

Any woman who has carried a fetus for that long wants a child. It's utterly ridiculous to imagine that any woman would just waltz into a Planned Parenthood facility at eight months and demand an abortion! Not only that, but in most cases the procedure requires a few days of very uncomfortable preparation for the procedure which no woman in her right mind would volunteer herself to go through.

What these people are basically telling women is that we must be ready to sacrifice our lives to save our unborn, even when the unborn have little to no hope of life themselves. How heroic! Sorry, but women aren't going to just die. Not when there's a choice.

If these folks are so "moral," let's see one of the Bush girls choose to die in order to give life to an infant with no brain. (Well, Barbara did have one of those, but far as I know her life was never in danger.)
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:46 PM
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15. Probably a few more than 10
Its use seems to be primarily to terminate pregnancies where the fetus has one of several severe genetic abnormalities such as Trisomy 18 or Triploidy. Babies with these defects have no chance of survival. None. But their mothers are at high risk of severe toxemia during late pregnancy. In these cases, abortion does indeed save the life of the mother.
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Zolok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 12:53 PM
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7. More importantly...
is the U.S. Senate a qualified medical body to render informed scientific judgement on said surgical proceedure?
According to "Hitch Pitched" Rich Santorum, the answer to that question is a loud truculent "hell yes"!

Yup...we can add another achievement to the U.S. Senate...with it's busted lawyers, debauched scions, undertakers, fruitcakes, chimps, wimps, gimps and weirdoes....they all apparently have a level of medical insight denied to your average M.D.

Anyone else think that Rick Santorum's self righteous psychotic whine of a voice (get it when he really starts screeching about the liberal media and the overthrown rights of fertilized eggs everywhere)...could be sampled and used to back up a really decent hip-hop song??

:)
www.chimesatmidnight.blogspot.com

Today, another in a never ending series of attacks on Governor Willard Mitt Romney..."The Chimes at Midnight" is nothing if not consistent.
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Eileen Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:39 PM
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11. The answer is Ø - NONE - Not one - because......
The answer is Ø - NONE - Not one - because...... this Phantom Procedure which has been called 'PBA' does not exist. It is merely a slogan coined by Canaday with the help of Johnson from NRLC to shape (or more appropriately stated - misshape) publlic opinion. In other words the Phantom Procedure called PBA is a construct of the Anti Abortion Propaganda Industry (AAPI) and really is without definition as has been concluded by a number of state supreme courts and the US supreme court.

The current legislation, S3, does not ban any specific term procedure, including Late Term procedures, since there is no actual term stated in the legislation. However it is so broadly written that it could ban most second trimester abortions which use the most common procedure - D&E, and even possibly some first trimester abortions.

Might I refer you to - this previous post - . There is also a discussion of the S3 bill in the bottom link - here - and in the - S3 article on that page - the further links at the bottom of that article provide the needed proof that the Phantom Procedure does not exist. In fact nobody has ever answered the series of questions on the main Phantom page which would provide the proof needed to show it does exist.

The underhanded attempt is not to ban a specific abortion, or a specific late term abortion, as the supporters misleadingly say - but to ban most abortions.

- Eileen`s always in process page -

Eileen
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jeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:41 PM
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12. I have a question...
Are these abortions allowed if the woman's life is in jeopardy?

This happened to my grandmother. She was in her late term (7 months, I think). She caught pneumonia or something. Anyway, she couldn't live unless the baby was removed. This is when it was illegal to do such things so she and the baby died. My dad was 5 years old and grew up without a mother.
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maha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:52 PM
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18. These days
Babies born after 24 weeks' gestation have a shot at survival, and after 28 weeks' gestation their odds at growing up normal and healthy are pretty good. So once the pregnancy is in the third trimester if the mother's health requires it be terminated (which does happen) they'll take the baby but try very hard to save it.

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Eileen Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 04:47 PM
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21. Let the NY ACOG answer -
This should give you what you're loking for.

New York ACOG

Eileen
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RichM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:50 PM
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17. Here's a good source. Short answer -- 0.004% of all abortions
Statistically speaking, only .004 percent of abortions in the US are D&X abortions (also known in the medical profession as “intact D&E” abortions and “intrauterine cranial decompression” abortions), and in each case the abortion is performed under extreme circumstances...

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/oct2003/abor-o24.shtml
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 02:00 PM
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20. We all know this is an empty law.
The real purpose is to start eroding Roe vs. Wade taking us back to the days when no abortions were available. Oh those good old days fifty years ago when women stayed home and baked cookies. If she found herself with an unwanted pregnancy, she drank any number of homemade concoctions to induce a miscarriage, most were ineffective and many were deadly. The next step was the back alley abortionist, which could have any number of complications that could have been avoided by a legal therapeutic abortion. Ah, the good old days.
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