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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 02:43 PM
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7000 wounded at just 1 hospital?
. The delegation made a stop at the military hospital in Landstuhl, which has treated more than 7,000 injured and ill servicemembers from the Iraq war. The congressmen met with several injured soldiers, one whose arm had been amputated by a rocket-propelled grenade, and another who was injured by a homemade bomb.

It is unclear how many of the 7,000 are soldiers with illness unrelated to combat. Nonetheless, this number is significantly higher than anything reported elsewhere. The fact that these numbers involve only soldiers flown to Germany indicates that injuries are far from minor.

Finally, the Stars and Stripes again suggests that the official wounded number is dramatically deflated. An increased flow of wounded into Germany has created the need for a new staging area to care from them all: The decision to build a new structure comes as the steady flow of patients from Iraq continues, with Landstuhl Regional Medical Center receiving an average of 44 patients a day.

A little bit of math shows that if this average goes back to, say May 1st, then the total number of wounded/ill is actually 8,000. Perhaps a phone call to CentCom will clear this up.

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/comments.php?id=P242_0_1_0
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 02:48 PM
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1. I Don't Doubt It A Bit
ShrubCo can't afford to have bad news get out. He has already caused most of it and is afraid it will hurt his re-election bid.

Too bad for him that the truth has a way of coming out.
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this_side_up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 04:41 PM
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2.  Don't the less seriously injured
go to Rota Spain?

I wonder what that number is.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 04:57 PM
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3. Aren't the less seriously injured....
Just patched up at field hospitals and sent back to their units?
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 05:00 PM
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4. Field Hospital?
As cheap as Dimbo is at running this war, he lost his MASH units when the Red Cross pulled out.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 06:37 PM
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6. I think the US army run the MASH units
or what ever they call them. Field-aid station? Field Hospital? Combat Support Hospital? You know, the place where they collect the wounded soldiers and sort out the mess? Kinda like this one: The 21st Combat Support Hospital

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1061695,00.html

My, they are kinda busy and the beds seem to fill up fast at the moment. Interesting, this one little field hospital has seen 1,088 patients between May and August alone, and I can't believe this is the only hosiptal unit in Iraq! What is the real Casualty count, and even more important, why is this misadminstartion not announcing it? Yeah, we know the answer.
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 07:37 PM
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12. Mobile Army Surgical Hospital
And with the support he has given the troops so far (equipment and water just to name two), I believe my opinion is closer to reality than what the White House reports.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 07:44 PM
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13. Yes they are or they may even go to Landstuhl then be
returned once recovered. Key figure is over 7500 have gone through Landstuhl and on Andrews. Did you know that Brooks - the Army's burn center in Texas has treated 650 burned soldiers?
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 05:37 PM
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5. what a tragic waste...
..will they get away with hiding the extent of the wounded?
Media?
Hello?
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 07:07 PM
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7. The figure I saw in the German press
was 8,000- BACK IN FUCKING JULY. It's NOVEMBER KIDDIES!

LIES, upon LIES, upon FUCKING LIES. :argh:
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 07:11 PM
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8. Landstuhl is where they are stabilised to be transported to Andrews
I posted a great article from the LA Times that discusses the wounded in the states. Number is 7500 - you can find the article here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=683211
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 07:23 PM
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9. Sending clothing
Edited on Mon Nov-10-03 07:24 PM by Donna Zen
General Clark has put out the word that the hospital is without warm clothing. He said that the soldiers are brought in with only the clothes on their backs. He has asked us to donate, so I'm sending something hoping that some fucking zillionaire from Halliburton doesn't steal it for the guy who cleans the sauna at him chalet in Switzerland.

For sometime my anger meter has reached its limit, making it hard for me to react to this kind of news properly. Nevertheless, every wingnut who has entered my field of vision has been blasted with this news.

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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 07:33 PM
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11. Here's a link that talks about needs for clothing and hygiene
items needed by wounded soldiers returning. Note they want only new clothing. Money donation may be the best.

http://www.americasheroes.us/operationlifeline.html
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 07:28 PM
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10. Note
Many of them are treated at the Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany. They usually arrive with only the clothes on their backs. As the casualty rate rises, it becomes harder to provide the best for our wounded soldiers. They need warm clothes - the winter there isn't any warmer than winter in New Hampshire. They're also eager for phone cards to call their families back home.

In conjunction with our monthly National Day of Service, my campaign offices in New Hampshire are holding a clothing drive to give the good people at Landstuhl a hand. I'd be grateful if you could stop by our offices with clothing and international phone cards. We'll see that they get to our wounded soldiers right away.

You can drop off the clothing at our Manchester Headquarters at 60 Rogers Street, Manchester (603) 623-8000 or at our Dover Field office at 266 Central Avenue in Dover (603) 750-4000. We also anticipate opening several additional field offices across the state shortly, and each will be accepting clothing and phone card donations.

Thank you so much for your help.

Wesley Clark
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 07:52 PM
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14. are any of the Dem candidates
talking about the number wounded? And are any of them talking about why we can't afford personal care items for soldiers given what we spend on our military? Or warm clothes? I don't mean to sound harsh, but what I can afford to donate goes to poor people in my own community, who also go cold and without toothbrushes. And no one is spending 999gazillion$$ on the poor...as we are on the military. The silence of the press on the subject of the wounded - and the dead and wounded Iraqi civilians - is more evidence - as if we needed it - that most of them are a wholly owned subsidiary of Corporate interests.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 07:54 PM
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15. In Time last week they showed a soldier getting a
$100,000 prothesis and then the damn Army couldn't even buy him a plane ticket to a military hospital close to his family. They let him bounce around the country on space available military flights till another soldier took pity on him and bought him a commercial ticket.

And I wondered how many $100,000 legs they will give him in the future - well maybe if it's made by a Halliburton subsidiary.
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