Jackson: Dean's use of the Confederate flag was "wholly unacceptable"

[wndycty]

I felt it was important to provide a link to an OpEd in today's Chicago Sun-Times that actually quotes Congressman Jackson on the Dean/Confederate flag issue.

It should be noted that the column is actually positive for Dean but I felt it was necessary to show how people who SUPPORT Gov. Dean can criticize his actions with out being accused of bashing. I know I will get flamed on this probably but it is important to note that Congressman Jackson, the very man people used to defend Dean, did take issue with his comments. He and the columnist approved of the message but not how it was delivered. I think that should be considered when criticism is directed at those of us who took issue with what he said.


-snip-
Jackson told me late last week that Dean's use of the Confederate flag was "wholly unacceptable. It was wrong." Jackson said he advised Dean to use the Cooper Union talk as "the opportunity to apologize for the symbol but also to talk about the substance."
-snip-

http://www.suntimes.com/output/washington/cst-edt-laura10.html

PS--I was ready to not post anymore on this issue but this column did not appear until today.

[last1standing]

1. Okay.

Some of us took offence and some of us didn't. It seems that Dean did not want to apologize because he didn't want to lose the message. The message has been lost anyway so he has apologized.

Congratulations. You win. I'm still voting for Dean so can we move forward or do you want to wallow in this some more?

[wndycty]

2. I am not wallowing. . .

. . .I just felt it was important to note that even those who support Dean were very critical of his statement. I have many times stated that I agree with him on this issue, I just felt that it was wrong for him to vocalize in the manner that he did. Whenever I stated that I was accused of candidate bashing, which is most likely because I support another candidate.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

4. and some were uncritical of his statement

too many for my tastes. But that was now 2 weekends ago.

[Hep]

9. I'm uncritical

And you've not convinced me why I should be critical.

[Terwilliger]

14. why am I not surprised?

Tell, would it be OK if Howard Dean was a racist? That would make his racist statement more understandable.

Is it OK if Democrats pander to racists?

[Hep]

21. ASk tougher questions

Tell, would it be OK if Howard Dean was a racist?

Would what be OK? He can be whatever he wants to be, but if he were racist, I wouldn't support his run for president.

That would make his racist statement more understandable.

Except that you can't demonstrate that his comment was racist. All you can do is interpret things as loosely as humanly possible in your efforts to see an eeeeeevil monster where none exists.

Is it OK if Democrats pander to racists?

Interesting hypothetical. I haven't seen a Democrat pander to racists. For someone to believe that, they would have to make some seriously screwed up generalizations about certain people. You aren't attempting to make a seriously screwed up generalization are you? BEcause that would be, well, seriously screwed up.







At BEST.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

39. "some seriously screwed up generalizations about certain people"

apparently you missed the confederate flag statement.

[Hep]

40. It's what I'm talking about

Serisouly screwed up generalizations like, "Everyone who flies a C Flag is racist".

What seriously screwed up generalization were you talking about?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

48. I dunno, ask Dean

he's the one who made the generalization.

[Hep]

56. OK so we're on record

that you can't provide any generalization that he might have made. Perfect. Thanks!

Now the antiDean camp's job is to make something up based on the loosest generalization they can come up with!

[Isome]

92. They're not racist... they're just proud of what?

I apologize in advance for straying from the topic. But... just what are they proud of that requires them to carry the BATTLE flag of the confederacy?

Are they proud of their ancestors trying to secede from the Union, to defend their right to own other hue-man beings? Are they proud their forebearers lost the war? Are they proud of the laws subjugating the formerly enslaved Africans to treatment no better than slavery, passed after the war was lost, or of the Ferguson v. Plessy decision that ushered in the era of Jim Crow? Are they proud of the "knight riders" who terrorized the formerly enslaved after the war was lost?

What is it that they're so proud of that only the battle flag of a losing army can represent, and not their state flag?

[Hep]

8. You need to tell Dean supporters

how some Dean supporters reacted? As if we're NOT the ones who go to meetups and have our own message boards where we dscuss these things?

OH THANKS! Thanks so much for exposing us to this. If it hadn't been for your post, I might have completely forgotten the two hour discussion we had about this at our last meetup.

[mbali]

33. Interesting Response

Several Deanies have offered up examples of one or two black people who weren't offended by Dean's comments as "proof" that the comments were not offensive. In fact, Jesse Jackson, Jr. has been trotted out as Exhibit A so often that he's become the Dean poster boy.

So your dismissal of Jackson as irrelevant to this discussion - now that he's been shown to also have been offended by the comments - is very interesting.

Could it be that the views of blacks are only relevant if they AGREE with Dean?

[Hep]

37. MY WHAT?

So your dismissal of Jackson as irrelevant to this discussion - now that he's been shown to also have been offended by the comments - is very interesting.

Please show me where I dismissed Jackson at all. THANKS!

People here are acting like morons. YES some were ofended. YES some were not. NO, no one person gets to decide who IS and who ISN'T offended by something.

Jesus, am I the only adult here? Be offended if you want, but be offended KNOWING the facts.

But please, by all means, show me where I dismissed Jackson's comments of point of view. We had a two hour discussion BECAUSE some people were offended. WE worked it out. It's the anti-Dean crowd who is not yet willing to seek common ground on the issue, as EACH AND EVREY DAY on this message board proves.

[mbali]

54. I should not have said "your"

since I was referring to those Dean supporters who have used Jackson's endorsement as "proof" that Dean's comments were not offensive. I misspoke since I don't believe you have done that.

Sorry.

[Hep]

Worry not

I appreciate the correction. I'm as put off by some of the Dean supporters as I am byb some of the Kerry and Clark supporters. But better here than in real life!

[bearfartinthewoods]

67. the fact that it took two hours to "work it out" among Dean supporters

at a meet-up should tell you something!!!

how are the rest of the people? non Dean supporters? independants and southern republicans? if it took that long for the people who back him to work through it what does that tell you about the people who aren't his supporters? people who may have heard of him, for the first time, via that hamhanded comment?

stuff like that lingers...and festers.

[Hep]

69. Damn right

at a meet-up should tell you something!!!

That it is a complex issue the requires heartfelt discussion and preferably gin?

how are the rest of the people? non Dean supporters? independants and southern republicans? if it took that long for the people who back him to work through it what does that tell you about the people who aren't his supporters? people who may have heard of him, for the first time, via that hamhanded comment?

I'm not worried about it. Attention spans are short in this country.

stuff like that lingers...and festers.

Nice image! And why do they fester and linger? Because of all the GERMS who attach themselves to it. Infection. Nasty stuff.

[bearfartinthewoods]

74. you have it wrong

germs cause the infection. they don't attach themselves to it.

of course there first has to be a wound......

who was it that posted that silly thing about Dean and his mighty sword?

i just wish he'd watch where he's swinging it. we don't need any more wounds in this party or in black/white relations either.

[Hep]

77. And of course it is all deans fault!

If we don't need more wounds, tell it to Kucinich with his new web page, tell it to Kerry with his childish "you might be howard dean" attacks, and everyone else who's deep in this. But I'm sure you weren't trying to single Dean out. That would be plain silly.

[wndycty]

78. He could have raised the issue without the Confederate flag. . .

. . .and you know it.

[Hep]

81. I do know it

I've said as much many times. Of course the same line was never a big deal until now, despite his using in his stump frequently. Go figure.

[wndycty]

84. So that makes it right???

"Of course the same line was never a big deal until now, despite his using in his stump frequently. Go figure."

[TLM]

43. Such sad desperation... Read the quote....

Jackson gets two words of a sentence quoted, and the DEan bashing crew acts like that somehow contradicts what Jackson has previously said regarding this... I note that the poster made point to leave this part out of his quote...

"Dean, Jackson added, must stay out front "about the need to keep white southerners in the Democratic Party."

Both Dean and Jackson know that for decades, the Republican Party has used race-baiting to peel off southern white voters from the Democratic column. And they know that the Democrats' only hope of regaining the White House is to persuade Democrats of all stripes to put economic self-interest above racial politics.

"Once you build that coalition between blacks and whites in the South and North, once you convince them that . . . education is a constitutional right, you keep them together," Jackson said."

[last1standing]

31. You're accused of bashing...

Because you constantly post these Anti-Dean threads that belabor the same point. Why don't we try going back to working together to get rid of bush* instead?

[sangh0]

5. Typical

Instead of addressing the real issue, which is how "clumsy" Dean's words were (which in turn raises the issue of whether Dean is qualified to lead a discussion on race), you misportray wndycty as a partisan who "won" the argument.

You imply that Dean had a message, and that the message was "lost". Instead of contributing to a discussion about what Dean's mishandling of his message demonstrates about Dean, you have chosen to accuse a poster of "wallowing" in the issue.

[last1standing]

41. The only thing this demonstrates is partisanship at its worst.

And you have been a prime purveyor. I've said before that it was not a clumsy statement, it was purposely misread by those you and wndycty support. Because of the blowup, Dean has been forced to apologize and Jackson has been forced to say he was offended. Therefore, I say "congratulations. You won."

Once again I will ask if we can get back to working together or will you do your part in destroying our chances of retaking this country?

[sangh0]

46. Dean said it was "clumsy"

Did Dean "purposely misread" it?

[last1standing]

52. You seem to be unable to reply without twisting and spinning.

Your response had nothing to do with my statement.

[sangh0]

60. You said "it was not a clumsy statement"

Dean disagrees

[last1standing]

75. But that wasn't what we were discussing and you know it.

You're trying to pick out a small point that you think you can win on and using it to try and win a debate.

If you want to honestly discuss the issue at hand, then fine. Until then don't bother with the deceptions. I'm not listening.

[bearfartinthewoods]

79. some of us don't think Dean is our best chance.

that's the point.

[last1standing]

89. And it's a point I can respect.

It's the attacks on any of our candidates that bothers me so much. It only hurts the party. I can understand the usual stuff, but too many are purposely perverting the argument to imply racism or suggesting that we not reach out to those we disagree with for common cause. I have a problem with both these ideas.

And before anyone posts that I'm perverting their arguments, I know that some people were honestly offended by the flag remark. Too many here, however, are merely trying to score points against Dean in hopes their candidate will be the beneficiary.

I say lets support all our candidates and may the best one beat bush*.

[JackRiddler]

22. one thing seems for sure

This is probably working out very well for Dean, especially if he can build on it to initiate a real dialogue about race and class ... and it would have never gathered any attention if he had said "NASCAR decal" or some such. instead of the CF. Only the CF could have produced as much heat. So seen as a Machiavellian move, it seems to have come off very well.

[sangh0]

24. Si it's OK to exploit racist symbols

because it gets attention and worked out well for Dean? But when Sharpton says Dean's policies are "anti-black" then Sharpton is "race-baiting".

[TLM]

44. Oh so now Dean is exploiting the confederate flag?

I thought the meme was he was embracing it? Guess that little crap flap crashed and burned so now you've switched to Dean exploiting the poor confederate flag?

Dean didn't force SHarpton and Edwards and Kerry to be dumbasses and blow what Dean said out of proportion and take it out of context. Dean simply used the rebel flag as an icon for a group of peple that he wants to reach out to.

[loyalsister]

55. Exploitation

If this offends you, you might want to inspect the possibility that your feelings ABOUT racism may have been exploited by one or more candidates in this race.

[CWebster]

3. Let's post the rest, shall we?

Dean, Jackson added, must stay out front "about the need to keep white southerners in the Democratic Party."

Both Dean and Jackson know that for decades, the Republican Party has used race-baiting to peel off southern white voters from the Democratic column. And they know that the Democrats' only hope of regaining the White House is to persuade Democrats of all stripes to put economic self-interest above racial politics.

"Once you build that coalition between blacks and whites in the South and North, once you convince them that . . . education is a constitutional right, you keep them together," Jackson said.

That's the kind of red meat that could sustain the party for a long, long time.

Besides, why should Republicans monopolize the pickup truck vote?"

But thanks for the link, I don't know how I missed the John Conyers endorsement. That is great news!

[wndycty]

6. Aren't we nitpciking. . .

Did you see that I acknowledged that the column was positive for Dean?

[CWebster]

15. Well actually, I was rather thinking that of you.

Yes you did, but that is not what you chose to highlight for an entire thread subject matter.

Jackson had to defuse the inflamatory connotations without losing the point. Others would prefer to dwell on the exploited and senationalized interpretation.

You are using whatever you can cull to cast negative assertions. Do you think we are that dense not to notice??

[wndycty]

17. Considering the criticism I have received for raising the issue. . .

. . .in threads the last few days I felt it was appropriate to point out that I was not alone in my concern regarding Dean's use of the Confederate flag. Given the fact that Jackson's support of Dean was regularly mentioned I had to point out his thoughts on the issue, which I believe were not vocalized before this.

[Eloriel]

42. And a wonderful way to get another bash Dean thread going

Congratulations!!! Very clever.

Eloriel

[jpgray]

13. And how does using a smbol that DIVIDES blacks and southerners help?

This flag means something positive to one and something very negative to the other. Why defend using it to sway the favor of one when it enrages the other? Is the confederate flag the only way to win southern votes?

[CWebster]

20. It isn't what the flag represents

It is how it is used.


Some folks just can't get past the symbol to see how it is exploited.

[jpgray]

25. The right can use it, because it doesn't care about blacks

In fact, it wants to divide the races and connect southern pride with a symbol of slavery, and therefore racism. There is a reason the latest flag craze was during the fight for segregation and the civil rights movement--thus the political use of the flag by the right has tied it even more to racism.

You can't sever the flag's ties with slavery. In my opinion, you CAN sway white southern voters without the flag. So why bring the bloody flag into the business at all? It was a mistake, he apologized, let's get on with things. Dean has the right idea, he just made a poor decision in using the flag.

[TLM]

47. Tell me something... if the con- flag is a symbol for supporting racism

then is old glory a symbol for murdering native americans?

If you fly old glory does that mean you hate native americans and support their genocide at the hands of the union?

[jpgray]

58. There's a difference

The confederate flag and constitution were created to maintain the institution of slavery--the American flag and constitution weren't created to maintain the instutition of killing native Americans. Violence and injustice were done to the Native Americans under our flag, but our country wasn't founded to maintain a monstrous institution over their race forever--the confederate government was. Don't tie yourself in knots over this, all I'm saying is that using (not "endorsing") the confederate flag is bound to make some people angry, and that it is probably not the best symbol to employ, as blacks find it very offensive.

Again, Dean has a great idea in calling out to those lost Democrats down south, but the flag isn't the best vehicle for it. If you want to tell me it IS the best vehicle, go ahead. But trying to convince anyone that people don't see the flag as a symbol of slavery is pretty ridiculous.

[TLM]

45. DEan did not defend the flag, or endorse the flag or embrace the flag...

he simply used it as a reference to a group of folks he want to reach out to... why is that so hard to comprehend?


If I wanted to reach out to reach out to a group of Christians, and said that I want to reach out to people with Jesus fish on their car... does that mean I hate the Jews or that I hate Christians who don't drive?

You people will read ANYTHING into ANYTHING in order to attack Dean.

He could fart and you'd accuse him of supporting air pollution.

[jpgray]

59. You are being silly--the Jesus fish isn't a symbol for enslaving Jews

Please, you are going to hyperextend yourself trying to rationalize Dean's mistake. If he was going to use a reference to Southern people, he should have used Lynyrd Skynyrd, Allman Brothers, grits, anything at all but a flag that represents the institution of slavery. It's clear to me that reaching out using a divisive symbol that represents a country founded on the idea of permanently enslaving an entire race is a bad idea. Tell me, please, why does that seem like a good idea to you?

[retyred]

7. Great find

the offended have been noted above the spin, I have made my point on this issue and enough is enough, I not voting for the man....period!




Retyred In Fla
So I Read This Book

[jpgray]

10. Yes--it is a symbol of slavery to some. Like it or not, it is.

The nation was founded to maintain the institution, and so the flag must by association symbolize that institution to those who suffered under it. I have no doubt that it symbolizes Southern pride to some southerners, but why should we care about one thing the flag represents and not the other? The two things are both extant, and both VERY important to a significant group of people. Why ignore the feelings of blacks to court white southerners? Why not have a strategy that brings them both in? Let me tell you, this flag with its conflicting meanings to different people is NO way to encourage what Dean really wants to do. Stop tying yourself in knots trying to explain his mistake.

[TLM]

49. So following your logic.... then Old GLory is a symbol

"The nation was founded to maintain the institution, and so the flag must by association symbolize that institution to those who suffered under it."


of the genocide agaisnt the native americans, and the theift of land, and the murder of millions. So clearly if you fly old glory then you hate native americans and support the killing of the native people of this land?

Frankly far more horrific acts have been commited by the institution old glory represents... so why isn't old glory a more hated symbol?

WHy is it the confederate flag represents the bad things that took place int he south... yet the US flag is not a representation of all the bad things the north did?

[lulu]

68. Exactly n/t

[jpgray]

90. Again, try to think rationally for two minutes. :-)

Try to forget that you will endorse Dean no matter what he does or how he does it. You there? Okay.

The Confederate nation's Constitution is structured to permanently establish and maintain the institution of slavery. The flag represents that Constitution. Does our Constitution uphold any such heinous ideal? No. Say rather that many of the men who did acts under Old Glory failed to live up to the principles it represented, and that those who served under the Confederate flag did well if they transcended the worst ideals a nation was ever founded on.

[wndycty]

91. Yes , , ,

While I have viewed the Confederate flag as a racist symbol, I have long believed that it is a symbol of treason.

[loyalsister]

63. hmmmm

"I have no doubt that it symbolizes Southern pride to some southerners, but why should we care about one thing the flag represents and not the other? The two things are both extant, and both VERY important to a significant group of people. Why ignore the feelings of blacks to court white southerners? Why not have a strategy that brings them both in?"

I think one starting point is to stop assuming that every person who has one has bad intentions and is unworthy of our attention. There are even people who have malleable racist attitudes. The thing that has happened is the message has been that there is an group, protected and represented by Democrats, who are going to take your jobs and who are taking the tax dollars for your kids' schools, etc. These are people who do not carry a rabid hatred. They have just come to believe one of the big lies- Democrats are unfair to them because they "cater" to minorities.
So, in order to address this, it is a reasonable starting point to give people the benefit of the doubt regarding their intentions and character. A person who has this symbol on their truck, may have fallen into this propagandistic trap.
A place to start is to show them that they are in the same boat with minorities when it comes to education and health insurance, let them know that this is about everyone and MAYBE they will get it.

[Guaranteed]

11. ENOUGH

For Christ's sake, drop it. This is a STUPID issue.

[Terwilliger]

12. I don't see how you think so

it's a huge issue when you try to balance the ideology against the tactics

[bearfartinthewoods]

80. it's also a huge issue when you consider it's just one in a series

of unecessary rifts that Dean has created.
THAT is my point. the whole mess was avoidable by anyone with a clue about the south and races. of course a northern governor may not be expected to have that clue until he starts running for president.

if he doesn't understand this stuff before then, he 'd better hire someone who does and not make stupid mistakes.

[TLM]

50. THis is all they've got....

if they drop it they might have to talk about...gasp... policy.

Dean has been beating them there for 10 months.

[RetroLounge]

16. Sorry, no one cares but the bashers.

Moving on, b'bye. :boring:

[wndycty]

18. Was Jackson bashing when he said it?

Was the columnist wrong when she wrote it?

[RetroLounge]

34. Snooze

:boring:

[TLM]

51. Nope you were wrong when you spun it...

Reading the rest of that piece shows you were spining what Jackson said out of context.

[wndycty]

71. Don't be silly. . .

. . .in the original post I acknowledged that it was a positive article. You accuse me of spinning when I noted that Jackson is still supportive of Dean. . .tell me how that is spinning?

[sangh0]

19. Jackson is a "basher"???

I thought Jackson ENDORSED Dean. Isn't that an odd way to "bash" Dean?

[RetroLounge]

35. Yawn

:boring:

[CMT]

23. I think we used Rep. Jackson's name

not so much to defend Dean regarding the comments he made but to illustrate that Dean is not a racist or "anti-black" as one candidate said. Of course Dean could have presented his comments in a better way.

[CMT]

26. p.s.

I read that John Conyers is also committing to endorse Dean in the article you attached. That is awesome.

[wndycty]

30. Again thank you. . .

. . .I noted that the column I posted was actually positive as it related to Dean. . .a basher would not do that.

[Name removed]

27. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[CMT]

32. that is what I meant

but I didn't put it correctly. But thank you for accusing me of lying instead of correcting me.

[sangh0]

36. You said

"I think we used Rep. Jackson's name not so much to defend Dean regarding the comments he made but to illustrate that Dean is not a racist or "anti-black" as one candidate said..."


How does Jackson's endorsement defend Dean against claims that his policies are "anti-black"?

I would be more likely to believe your explanation if it made sense. Since I don't see any magical powers attached to Jackson's name, I don't see how invoking it demonstrates anything about Dean's policies. I don't see any purpose in Jackson's name being used the way you used it (your sentence makes it sound like a Dem accused Dean of being a racist) except to tie Sharpton to non-existent claims of race-baiting.

[CMT]

38. I conceded that I was wrong

and you corrected me, but I said I think you could have done so in a way which didn't come to calling me a liar. It was a mistake. I apologize.

[TLM]

53. Shang0 I think your posts are very anti-liberal...

And I think your positions are very anti-intelligent.


See... very easy to call someone something, and not really call them something. Sadly such non-accusations are what I've come to expect from Sharpton. He likes to bait, then play innocent, just as you are doing.

Calling someone's policy anti-black is a cheap cowardly way to imply they are racist. I wish I could say I expected more from Sharpton, but frankly I was surprised it took him this long to start up with the race baiting crap. I'm glad it backfired on him so badly though.

[sangh0]

61. Boy, that hurts

How will I ever get over it?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

93. Hey

I'm still trying to get over your dismissal of my poke at Dean's making Terri Schiavo a campaign opportunity. But I'll get over it because I know you ARE intelligent, unlike others here.

[wndycty]

28. Thank you. . .

. . .that is all I have been trying to say. I have never called Dean a racist, and I have never bashed him.

[jpgray]

29. I don't think anyone says Dean is personally racist

He was looking to reap some southern votes and he stumbled on the presentation. His idea--that white southerners benefit more on the whole from Democrats--is great.

[wndycty]

57. Has anyone in this thread responded to what Jackson said?

They want to accuse me of bashing, they want to defend the Confederate flag, but they do not want to address the fact that Jackson felt Dean saying it was wholly wrong.

There are a number of people who are reminding me of the full quote, but they don't want to acknowledge Jackson's criticism. Additionally I noted that the article was generally positive, why would I note that if I were trying to bash?

[Hep]

62. A quick request for help

Hi! Could you show me where anyone defended the flag? Thanks!

[sangh0]

64. I think

he meant "people defending Dean's use of the flag"

[wndycty]

66. Well there have been many who have said. . .

. . .that the Confederate flag is not a racist symbol.

[Hep]

70. Well,

those people don't know what they're talking about. Such a generalization can not be made. As a symbol, it means something different to everyone. I know racist people who fly the flag and I know non-racist people who fly it. The flag was an image, not the focus of the issue.

[Scott Lee]

86. Oh but they say he told southerns to "ditch God", though! LOL

Check out the thread. It's hilarious.

That awful Howard Dean, what will he say next?

[hedda_foil]

65. I stongly suggest folks take a look at the cover of Jesse Jr.'s 2001 book.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/156649186X.01._PE30_PIdp-schmoo2,TopRight,7,-26_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Jackson advances the same basic theme as Dean in this book, which was written well before Dean's candidacy ... which may be exactly why he endorsed Dean.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/156649186X/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-3301664-4147039#reader-link

[mzmolly]

82. Int ere sting!

:shrug:

[Cocoa]

72. Jackson gave Dean some good advice

his apology was the best thing Dean did in this thing. Good for Dean for listening to Jackson.

[wndycty]

73. Exactly. . .

. . .this thread would have died quickly if everyone had acknowledge Dean made a mistake and he needed to do something about it. I posted this thread to show how a high profile Dean supporter(Jackson) could criticize the candidate and still support him. It is as if there is a whole bunch of denial as to what he did wrong. There are even those in this on the DU and in this thread who are telling us if we view the Confederate flag as racist we should view old glory as racist. . .that's insane.

[Hep]

76. It's not so insane

But it's leaps away from the point. Yes, a stupid argument.

Of course one can criticize his candidate.

But then, you're not one of his supporters, so it's a little different. In fact, one wonders why you would go out of your way to prove an obvious point.

I don't think it is a big deal at all. His point is clear. His mistake was his choice of words. That's easily fixed, and was. The dialog that came about as a result is that which will keep Dean's momentum.

[mzmolly]

83. It appears Jackon and Dean have come around on this issue.

http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=10232&security=1&news_iv_ctrl=1301

:shrug:

I like Jesse Jackson Jr. and am glad he is on the 'Dean team'. I hope Dean will use him as an advisor.

[Scott Lee]

85. Now how successfull was YOUR presidential bid, Jesse?

What's that? Speak up, I can't hear you!

[wndycty]

87. It his son. . .

. . .don't get your Jesse Jackson's mixed up. This is Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr., not Rev. Jesse Jackson Sr.

[mzmolly]

88. I voted for JJ Senior in the primaries...

:shrug: