Confirmation sought: Woman who accused W of rape dead, suicide?

[JackRiddler]

Don't know if this has come up before, but apparently this Schoedinger who filed the harassment lawsuit against Bush, which even many here thought was a frivolous case... died of gunshot (diagnosed suicide) in September... Here's the obit:

http://www.chron.com/class/obits/archive/qsearch.hts?operation=getdoc&database=Obituaries%3B&databases=Obituaries%3BObituaries%3BObituaries%3BObituaries%3B&docid=76532&docids=76532%3B76200%3B76168%3B46566%3B&query=schoedinger+NOT+3:RSEC&pos=1&numhits=25&start=&type=&user=houston&sview=1&hview=2&dview=1

Paper: Houston Chronicle
Date: Saturday 09/27/03
SCHOEDINGER
MARGIE D. SCHOEDINGER expired Monday, 9/22/03 . Visitation: Friday,
9/26/03 , 7 to 9pm, McCoy & Harrison Chapel. Funeral Service:
Saturday, 9/27/03 , 1:30pm, McCoy & Harrison Chapel. Interment,
Houston Memorial Gardens.

This is the same Schoedinger, right?

Here's a bulk mail currently circulating about this case, but I only just discovered the sender, Jackson Thoreau whose interesting-looking site on Coup 2000 is here:

http://www.geocities.com/jacksonthor/

----JT SAYS------

I finally got some confirmation from an obit in the Houston Chronicle that Margie Schoedinger, the woman who filed a sexual assault lawsuit against Bush last year, died in September. I called the Harris County Medical Examiner's office, which lists her cause of death as a "gunshot wound to the head" and "suicide." ...

When I talked to Schoedinger in July she sounded in good health. She was only 38. It's another weird tragedy surrounding the bush administration - and this one has received NO mention from the media.

[DuctapeFatwa]

1. Just a tragic coincidence

no different than Jessica's rescuers.

[TacticalPeek]

3. Death gets around, don't it?

:(

[mzmolly]

30. Yea, just like Wellstone ??

:(

[Brian Sweat]

2. It's quite common for people to commit suicide by shooting themselves

twice in the back of the head. Move along.

[AWD]

4. Have you read her deposition?

Her case had a LOT of really strange accusations...she sounded more insane than anything else.

I have no difficulty believing she killed herself.

[JackRiddler]

10. do you have a link, maybe?

This makes me curious now, inevitably. (I should go to sleep instead...)

I should say I've met really crazy people in my life who spun tales starring themselves and celebrities they never met, so let's google it.

Ah, here we go... coverage in CounterPunch basically dismissive of her original claims...

http://www.counterpunch.org/carter1220.html

she was claiming Bush mob pressuring her to commit suicide, but that would be consistent with a crazy person preparing to do same...

and the deposition was filed pro se (no lawyer) with this authority:

http://ccweb.co.fort-bend.tx.us

Please someone go there, search "schoedinger." Two cases appear, download the PDFs, read them and report back to us on the case. I can't just now, gotta go to bed already...

Goodnight.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

38. Two links for you...

Here's an article by Jackson Thoreau on this subject, dated 7/23/03:

More info on the Bush sexual assault lawsuit in Texas
<http://www.liberalslant.com/jt072303.htm>

Excerpt:

"I heard from the reporter who wrote that Texas story. She said she did all she could to contact Schoedinger, even driving to her home, where a man said Schoedinger could not come to the door and declined to comment. I believe the reporter - there was not much else she could do. Schoedinger probably didn't want to talk at that time. Maybe she does now - she talked to me some but then clammed up when I asked about her being harassed and her legal representation."

Here's the original story that appeared in the Fort Bend/Southwest Star:

Woman files lawsuit against President
<http://www.fortbendstar.com/Archives/2002_4q/121102/n_Woman%20files%20lawsuit%20against%20President.htm>

Excerpt:

"Margie Schoedinger of Missouri City, Texas has filed a lawsuit against George W. Bush in Fort Bend County Court. In her suit she is alleging "race based harassment and individual sex crimes committed against her and her husband." The suit lists numerous offenses and asks for actual damages, punitive damages and judgments against George W. Bush.

In her suit, among the many allegations, she has stated, "On or about, October 26, 2000, an attempt was made to abduct Plaintiff (Schoedinger) by three unknown assailants. Because of the actions of these assailants, Sugar Land police officers were dispatched to the scene. In the end, no report was taken. The assailants were treated respectfully and allowed to go free while Plaintiff (Schoedinger) was repeatedly and aggressively questioned. After filing a lawsuit, the Plaintiff’s family and past contacts were questioned and harassed." As a result, Plaintiff dismissed Plaintiff’s lawsuit. Irrespective of Plaintiff dismissing the lawsuit, the harassment continued." Schoedinger, goes on to allege "at some point, she contacted the Houston office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, filing a raced based harassment complaint, advising that the Sugar Land Police Department may or may not be harassing Plaintiff on behalf of her neighbors in Sugar Land or possibly on behalf of the First Colony Community Services Association."

I don't know about the rest of the charges, but that's the same Suger Land Police Department that "investigated" the strange death of the Enron executive, Cliff Baxter.

[Mz Pip]

5. While not unheard of

it's unusual for women to commit suicide using a gun. They usually go for pills or jumping off of high places.

MzPip
:dem:

[Capn Sunshine]

6. I think in Texas this wouln't be that divergent.

and even though AWDs take on this seems reasonable, there was something about this that rang true; it's very odd that so many of W's detractors have "suicided" or "small plane crashed"

[funkyflathead]

7. She must of felt powerless to stop the Bush junta and get justice

I feel that way but I would never take it to suicide.

[aquart]

16. Gun in the mouth or to the temple?

Did it say?

[jobycom]

34. She was mentally ill, and that wasn't spin from Bush

Several DUers concluded at the time the lawsuit was filed that she was mentally ill. Watch "A Beautiful Mind." I've got several close relatives who suffer from schizophrenia, and she showed all classic signs of it. "A Beautiful Mind" is the best representation I've seen of what happens, and how it works, though very few-- none that I've actually met-- can do what he did unmedicated.

And suicide is not unusual for schizophrenics. Some of my relatives tried it several times, some succeeded. It's a living hell, and those who suffer from it can't trust their own minds, their own memories. The suicides usually happen not in their delusional moments, when self-preservation is high, but when they are lucid, and feel the hopelessness of it all.

This is truly tragic. This woman's illness was obvious when she filed that lawsuit to anyone familiar with the signs. If you feel the need to blame Bush, blame him, because his former state did nothing to prevent something this obvious from happening to her. One wonders if there was a hands-off "let her do what she will" attitude because of the target of her accusations.

[xultar]

8. Check out this link

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2002/12/48880.html

[Wickerman]

9. That was a pretty far out story

I am as fond of Bush* conspiracy theories as the next DUer but that one was a tad over the top. The claims were rather rambling and bizarre. I am sorry to hear she killed herself.

http://www.counterpunch.org/carter1220.html
decent counterpunch article.

"According to the complaint, this treatment was orchestrated by none of than the President of the United States. Schoedinger claims that Bush is attempting to pressure her into committing suicide. (emphasis mine - guess he succeded) Of course, you may be asking why would the President do such a thing?

Well, according to the plaintiff, she personally asked Bush the very same question. Bush allegedly replied that he is concerned that Schoedinger may remember the numerous and repeated acts of sexual assault he has committed against her and her husband. His original plan was to simply kill the plaintiff. But since he couldnt go through with it, he decided to simply drive her crazy instead.

In her lawsuit, Schoedinger is asking for $50 million for "emotional distress, loss of freedom and ability to pursue Plaintiff's own dreams, alienation of affection from Plaintiff's spouse, loss of privacy, being disparaged on the Internet, and loss of Plaintiff's ability to be a Christian writer."

and some followup from Jackson Thoreau (whom I respect)
http://www.democracymeansyou.com/columns/thoreau/7-31-03-bushs-clinton-followup.htm

http://www.rense.com/general32/charged.htm
Notes on the actual filing in Sugarland TX. The plaintiff dated Bush as a minor?

[aquart]

17. Sounds nuts to me.

And I'll believe any rotten thing about Bush.

But the multiple assaults is way too much an off her meds remark.

[proud patriot]

11. I don't know what to think... I remember when the story first broke

I wasn't sure what to think , she did sound pretty far out there .
Yet to have her turn up dead . Stinky .

[grasswire]

12. do you have....

....a direct link to the story on the Jackson Thor site? It's pretty confusing to try to find it there. I want to send it to the Bush Body Count.

[knight_of_the_star]

13. This sounds too much like Vincent Foster

I remember on DU when the story about this woman first broke and everyone was looking for a way to pin it on Bush. The guy on here (his name escapes me at the moment) who investigated the claim concluded that she was nutso. THis suicide doesn't really surprise me all that much.

[Stephanie]

21. It was Will Pitt who looked into it, and found a reporter in TX who knew

about the woman. The reporter in TX told us she was not a well woman, as I recall. The original complaint, which she wrote herself, was incoherent. It's sad that she wasn't given some help.

[WilliamPitt]

32. Yup

This woman was deeply troubled, and that comes from a reporter down there who is on our side, and is in fact a DUer.

[Catherine Vincent]

14. Add this one to the Bush Body County list!

[Catherine Vincent]

22. Correction: Add this one to the Bush Body COUNT List!

:argh:

[CaptainMidnight]

15. details????

Someone here mentioned her getting shot twice in the back of the head.

WHERE IS THIS LISTED?

I followed the links so far, and no details of her death.

Captain Mike

[0rganism]

20. I think it's a Baxter reference

Remember Cliff Baxter, the Enron exec who turned up dead in Sugarland with gunshots to the back of the head? Suicide, of course.

[Ilsa]

23. Baxter's wounds were in the back of the head?

I hadn't heard that.

[0rganism]

24. Yup. Ratshot to the back of the head.

Reads like a gangland hit combined with a first-class coverup operation.

[VeniceBeat]

18. Kick

:kick:

[Stephanie]

19. Jackson Thoreau wrote a long and interesting article about this case

I think he posts at DU sometimes.

[youngred]

25. This is probably nothing, like her story

but if this had been Clinton we never would have heard the end of HE KILLED HER HE KILLED HER from the right wing idiots

[liberalmuse]

26. Bush pressuring her to kill herself?

He IS the devil! Sad to say, but this lady was off her rocker. We really need to better address the mental health issue in this country. :(

[incapsulated]

27. She sounded like

A very mentally unstable woman, to me.

Where are people getting "shot twice in the back of the head"? Where is this in any of the links?

[Catherine Vincent]

28. Actually, from now on, I will say the woman that Bush RAPED.

I know there were no charges brought up, but there weren't any brought up with Juanita what's her name. The repukes continue to say WJC raped her so I will slander Bush with this.

Tit for tat.

[incapsulated]

29. Heh

True enough!

[Andy_Stephenson]

31. See this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=392459

[linazelle]

33. I found this link on the lawsuit

http://www.fortbendstar.com/Archives/2002_4q/121102/n_Woman%20files%20lawsuit%20against%20President.htm

[AnnabelLee]

35. Kick

:kick:

[in_cog_ni_to]

36. I've never heard of this lady

filing the lawsuit. If she did? I'm not at all surprised she's dead. That's the way it works. Speak out against the BFEE and voila...you end up dead.

[Jackpine Radical]

37. If I may weigh in on this...

My impression from reading her writings was that she was clearly psychotic, most likely paranoid schizophrenic. This is a diagnosis that is often associated with bizarre accusations, but not generally with suicide. Also, PS often has a relatively late onset, say between 25 & 45 years of age, often after a relatively high-functioning previous life course (although in retrospect people who have known them can usually find some premorbid signs of deteriorating thought processes).

One possibility is that her accusations had a factual core, but that her disease process caused her to frame them in psychotic language and perhaps to add delusional material to them, thereby rendering her quite unbelievable. Somebody with a guilty conscience, knowing the fundamental truth of the accusation, might then feel threatened by her talking despite the psychotic trappings of her story and overreact by having her "suicided."

This is all purely speculation of course, but I am speculating on the basis of 24 years of experience as a PhD psychologist, much of that time as a forensic and clinical specialist.

[Minstrel Boy]

40. terrific analysis, thanks

She needn't have been telling the truth to mean trouble for Bush. And I hope it's not paranoid of me to believe there are people happy to make Bush's troubles go away. They needn't await a call from the Oval Office to know what to do.

[Must_B_Free]

39. Has this happened to any other presidents?

How come we have to believe in so many coincidences to believe the official story of everything. Why is everything surrounding Bush so very coincidental?