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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 08:45 PM
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Can Gephardt win without the black vote?
Why did he refuse to support the Congressional Black Caucus when the objected to awarding Florida's electoral votes to Shrub.


http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:rdUZ-byHMaUJ:www.wsws.org/articles/2001/jan2001/cong-j08.pdf+Gephardt+Florida+congressional+black+caucus&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt and other House
Democratic leaders tacitly sanctioned this arrangement, staying away
from the joint session and trying unsuccessfully to discourage any public
opposition from the black caucus to the certification of Bush's Electoral
College victory.
In their remarks on the floor of the House, several of the black
congressmen referred bitterly to the Democratic leadership's
opposition to any protest against the installation of Bush and the theft
of the presidential election, although such statements were cut short
by Vice President Gore, serving for the final time as presiding officer
of the Senate, who ruled that no speeches could be delivered by those
making objections.
“I don't care that it is not signed by a senator,” said Rep. Maxine
Waters of California as she handed in her written objection. “The chair
would advise that the rules do care,” Gore replied, triggering applause
by Republicans.
Representative Jesse Jackson Jr., a Chicago Democrat and son of
the civil rights leader, said, “It is a sad day in America when we can't
find a senator to sign the objection.” At one point, Jackson asked if any
senator in the chamber would step forward and sign his protest, but
none would
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 08:48 PM
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1. Oh my goodness! Who else wouldn't sign this?
:shrug:
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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 08:50 PM
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2. Kerry and Edwards actuallly voted to give Florida's electoral votes
to Shrub. It was unanimous. Read the article.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 08:51 PM
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3. no candidate can win without the black vote
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 09:00 PM
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4. No Democratic candidate can win without the black vote
RepuKKKes struggle when they don't have a lot a racists to vote for them.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 09:02 PM
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5. any candidate can. The "black vote," like the "white vote"

consists of a fraction of people eligible to vote.

At this point, polarization along economic as well as racial lines has reached a point sufficiently extreme for the moneyed candidates to be able to relax and fight over that corner of white affluent voters who share their concerns.

Regarding the non-voting majority, a political solution is no longer a realistic possibility.
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candy331 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 09:18 PM
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8. DuctapeFatwa
"Regarding the non-voting majority, a political solution is no longer a realistic possibility". May I ask if there are any shared thoughts as to the solutions.


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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 09:30 PM
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9. Sure! South America, Africa, lots of places are terrific examples of
Edited on Mon Nov-10-03 09:39 PM by DuctapeFatwa
what happens when you have almost all the resources in the hands of a few people, phase out the middle class and let the odds of upward mobility rise into power-ball range.

There is a possibility that it might not happen in your lifetime, it will just be your kids' problem.

edit to add that it is an admittedly small possibility, but I would guess there is a good chance that your street will not turn to Rwanda before the election, which was my point.

To speak very plainly, the rich white folks should go ahead and enjoy their election and not worry about poor people any more than the policies of either party have worried about them for decades.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 09:13 PM
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6. The 2002 elections showed
us what happens when the Blacks do not show up in large numbers, likewise Latinos. Remember we were going to un-elect Jeb Bush in
Fla. I believe he is still Govenor.
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 09:14 PM
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7. There is no single "Black vote" in the Dem primaries
although I'm sure Gephardt will get a lot.
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