Howard Dean, Serious Threat - Newsmax Article

[rumguy]

I know Newsmax is a crock of sheet, bought and paid for by Scaife, etc., conservative rag. However, do you think this editorial by Chris Ruddy, the editor of Newsmax, reflects what conservatives really think about Dean? Afterall, we always hear they want him to be the nominee cuz he will be so easy to beat, but maybe they do fear him...

Ruddy is actually somewhat glowing in his comments about Dean...

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http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/11/9/160014.shtml

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

1. What editorial?

:shrug:


Ed- oh, that editorial!


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Forget what Republicans think. The Democratic party has all the power it needs to elect EVERY POTUS. If we got, and kept, our shit together, that is.

[alcuno]

2. Do we think it was just an "accident" that Rove was overheard

at that parade saying he hoped Howard Dean was the nominee? Reverse psychology.

[HazMat]

10. Exactly. Newsmax is a division of RoveBush Inc

They're trying to fire up Dean's base. He was under attack last week with the whole Confed flag flap and Rove is rushing into save him. Wouldn't want to risk having to face a real challenger.

[whirlygigspin]

22. yup yup

keep telling yourself that...it's all a plot, woo woo woo

[Pavlovs DiOgie]

18. That was so long ago

Dean wasn't even aware of the power he'd become back then. Do you really think Rove was? C'mon, I don't think anyone saw the Dean Machine as what it has become today. Rove, along with many other doubters, grossly misunderestimated Dean. Whether or not one likes Dean doesn't matter. Anyone not looking at the Dean campaign as a force to be reckoned with has their head up their ass.

[alcuno]

20. I think you misunderstand me.

Rove was "overheard" hoping for Dean in an effort to discredit Dean with members of the party. I think the "outsider" candidate is the one Rove does not want to go up against. Too many variables.

[blm]

3. yeah...they sure seem to like him....

here's another right winger, a Libertarian who is friendly with Dean, Stephen Moore of the CATO Institute. He praises Dean, too, in a Weekly Standard piece.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/073ylkiz.asp

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

5. The sentence that shreds your Zell Miller/Perot crap to pieces:

One thing about Dean, however, remains exactly as I remember it from the day I met him--his unapologetic leftist stands on social issues.

[rumguy]

6. They always say he's to liberal

to be elected, etc. So what's the story, do they really think he's actually a centrist? If they want to smear him as a liberal articles like this aren't helping...unless they really are afraid of him and want to make the democratic base worry about him by making us think that they like him or trying to snooker us into choosing him...but really I think they are fearful of him...

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

7. If Dean could raise over $100M from $100 donors...

You bet your ass they're scared!

[rucky]

15. Genghis Kahn is too liberal for Newsmax

I wouldn't bellyache over what they think. They don't know anymore about the upcoming election outcome than we do - give or take a few touchscreen voting machines.

[HazMat]

16. Dean isn't a liberal

he's a center-right libertarian Dem, but he is perceived to be an angry anti-war leftist due to his fake rhetoric and positioning to the far left in the early stages of the campaign. He had no chance and had to do whatever it took to get some traction in the Dem nom race, even if it would be suicide in the general election.

But it's all irrelevant. Dean couldn't win a general election back then or now. Zero electability.

If he gets the nom this thing is over. Bush will sit back and coast to victory.

[Sean Reynolds]

17. If Dean's a center right libertarian.....

Kerry is a hard-core conservative!

:eyes:

[rumguy]

19. Dean is genuine

in his opposition to the Iraq invasion. I don't see how you could say it was all fake. And you're right he's not as liberal as the media has painted him. He didn't ask for that...

He's a centrist in a lot of ways, and he could pivot in the general election and get the media to focus on that instead...and plus his opposition to the Iraq war will look good...that could give Rove nightmares...

[liberalmuse]

21. Interesting.

I'd say he's pretty smart then, since most of the Dems thought the best strategy at the time would be to accommodate Bush's war. The war was pretty popular when Dean came out with his angry stance. I'd say that was quite a gamble for him, and it's still paying off, apparently. He doesn't seem to be the flash-in-the-pan many predicted he'd be. His support is continually growing and he's not going to go away. To say he has 'Zero electability' is really stretching it.

[Skwmom]

4. Oh yeah. They are stupid enough to tell the world

that they fear Howard Dean.

I no longer wonder why the Democratic party has become such a dismal failure.

[rumguy]

8. such a dismal failure?

what's your problem? Eight years of peace and prosperity is not a dismal failure. A dismal failure is bush and the last three years of chaos, war, economic reversal of fortune, and a slow march towards a police state.

THAT is a DISMAL FAILURE!!!

[Donna Zen]

11. Branches of Government

I think that fact that our ideas are the right ones is not what the poster was referring to. I took the poster to be talking about winning modern elections.

And yes, they, the fat cats, are playing with us. The truth is they don't need to raise any money because they own and control the message. Just like the message that started this thread.

[rumguy]

14. I see that

However I don't think that all media conservatives just march in lock step..even though it sometimes looks like that. I remember that during the run up to the Iraq war Ruddy at Newsmax expressed genuine doubts about Bush's plan to invade...maybe there is some worry out there in the land of conservatism...

[Demobrat]

9. Well, if my take on the article is correct

they think he can beat Bush by veering sharply to the right after the nomination and beating Bush at his own game. Which I'm pretty sure means somebody over there is a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic, or something.

[Donna Zen]

12. Counter attack

They are simply countering the meme Dean can't win the general election, in order to ensure our move toward the cliff.

[onehandle]

13. This is a fund raising letter...

Next week they'll be back to "Hillary's Running!".