Local news trailer talked of an up-coming DRAFT, Happy Veteran's Day.

[Robin Hood]

Tonight at eleven we will be covering how the up-coming draft will effect Oregon. That was the trailer tease on my local Channel here in Portland Oregon. I couldn't believe my eyes and ears.

I want to start by saying that I despise war and all the hollow flag waving/patriotism that has lead to this big murderous nightmare. But, I think that a draft is only fair and should happen. The quicker it happens the better.

In fact the draft is exactly what this country needs to wake it's sorry ass up from it's Soma induced sleep. I say, Bring it on!! These chicken hawk SOB's in the government and in my neighborhood will change their tune real quick when uncle sam hauls their little GI Joe or Barbie off to the Bush created turkey shoot known as Iraq.

Does anyone remember when Chris Matthews(Tweety) was doing his college tour? This was pre-war. He would ask these college kids if we should go invade Iraq, and the whole auditorium would go nuts with applause and cheers, just like a football game. he would then ask, "Which of you would like to volunteer to go invade Iraq". You could hear a pin drop in an auditorium that was just seconds ago filled with earth tremoring emotion. It made me sick, and still pisses me off. Shows you that college does not guarantee intelligence.

So, it's only fair that not only the poor and lower class people fight Bush's war, but all those who made this happen should also have the opportunity to put their money where their mouth is. I guarantee you, If we started to push Bush toward a draft before the election, he would lose against a candidate that offered to pull our people out of there and build a national coalition, not this bullshit coalition of the willing, give me a break already.

The draft is coming, the draft is coming, the revolution is about to begin.

[proud patriot]

1. holy cow

:-( as a mother of a son who is only seven
i'm not comforted by this . I will do all I
can to increase world stabilty to end this
mad cowboy disease infested reality .

[Robin Hood]

6. Holy cow is right.

I think that we at the Underground should start a draft evading underground for those who do not support Bush's war. Much like the good people that smuggled Jews and other persecuted peoples during Hitler's murderous reign.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

13. Congress has worked out agreements with most other countries to include...

...Canada and Mexico that they must return draft-evaders to the U.S.

And just like the Jews discovered early in WWII that nobody would take them, not many countries will want to take Americans evading the draft.

The rat-trap is about to spring shut and there is no way out short of massive demonstrations, civil disobedience, and work stoppages.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

30. Then why not CUBA?

Not far away, and they will be very happy to help, I'll bet. :evilgrin:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

40. Or

Head to the Brazilian embassy.

[Robin Hood]

42. Cuba is a brilliant idea.

I'm sure Fidel will be there with arms wide open.

[Swede]

36. There was an AWOL soldier here in Canada only a month ago

He was perfectly safe up here.

[dreissig]

2. Draftees are Good Soldiers

Civilians think draftees are likely to be lackadaisical, even resentful soldiers. But it's not true! Draftees make very good soldiers because the selection process is rigorous.

Soldiering is also a much more natural lifestyle than civilians suspect. Guys off the street often take to it like a duck takes to water.

If Bush re-instituted the draft it wouldn't necessarily be political suicide. It might even be a big success.

[Robin Hood]

3. I live in a suburban baby factory,

And I can tell you that the freepers around here will not take kindly to having their kids takenoff to Iraq.

[corarose]

16. Why don't you go and enlist and take some of your buddies along

You don't know what you are talking about honey.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

18. Guys off the street aren't usually drafted...

...because they have no official home of record. They can't be traked down and served their papers if they choose not to go.

Were you around when the draft was going on during Vietnam? I was, and I can tell you from experience that no one wanted to be drafted, and if drafted they did everything they could to stay alive. Vietnam wasn't the draftees war, my friend, anymore than Afghanistan and Iraq will be for this generation.

"Big success"??? We'll see.

[corarose]

20. I was a kid and I remember

They did not want to go.

[corarose]

21. People in the Cities don't have to worry

They start with the poor people in the South first. You know the red states that vote Republican they will start with them first.

[Swede]

38. I saw an episode of "Tour of Duty",they were all draftees,

They said they draft "The hicks,the sp*#ks and the n#@@*%s" first and leave the colleg boys at home. That will happen again.

[eleny]

46. You're absolutely right

I'm in my late 50s and remember those days clearly. As independent minded and informed young people are these days, I think a draft will make all heck break loose. Also, the instant communications of cell phones and i-net make it all the more possible for demonstrations to be coordinated and happen very fast. My 2¢

[incapsulated]

23. That's not the point

Who is saying that the problems in Iraq are because the soldiers are doing a lousy job??

It would be political suicide. The war losing support among Americans. The country is split and that's without a draft. How do you think they will feel if their kid get's sent over there?

[Mountainman]

45. What have you been smoking "selection process is rigorous":

Anyone who can't avoid the draft who is phisiclly able to shoot a rifle and is draft age is draft material. No selection process needed. No brains needed just a trigger finger.

I was drafted in 1966.

[eileen_d]

4. Tell us about the actual story when it runs...

I wonder about this trailer. What upcoming draft?

[rucky]

5. PDX here....which station?

[Robin Hood]

7. on KGW

It's starting, and that's one of the segments. Now it's, could the US be ready to start the draft? Channel 8

[Robin Hood]

8. They said that the DOD had the notice on their web site

But took it down in the last couple of days. They gave this link to the news channels web site. http://www.kgw.com/framed_kgw/draftboards.html

LOCAL BOARDS Printer Friendly Version

A Selective Service Local Board is a group of five citizen volunteers whose mission, upon a draft, will be to decide who among the registrants in their community will receive deferments, postponements, or exemption from military service based on the individual registrant's circumstances and beliefs.

How Local Board Members are Appointed
Local Board members are appointed by the Director of Selective Service in the name of the President, on recommendations made by their respective state governors or an equivalent public official. If you are interest in serving as a Local Board member, you may apply on-line for an application package. Some requirements to be a board member are that they be:

U.S. citizens

at least 18 years old

not a retired or active member of the Armed Forces or any Reserve component

live in the area in which the board has jurisdiction

be willing to spend enough time at the position.

During Peacetime
The Board Member program is one of the primary components of the Selective Service System. Over 11,000 volunteers are currently trained in Selective Service regulations and procedures so that if a draft is reinstated, they will be able to fulfill their obligations fairly and equitably. Board members undergo an initial 12-hour training session and then participate in annual training in which they review sample cases similar to real-life situations.

During a Draft
Registrants with low lottery numbers will be ordered to report for a physical, mental, and moral evaluation at a Military Entrance Processing Station to determine whether they are fit for military service. Once he is notified of the results of the evaluation, a registrant will be given 10 days to file a claim for exemption, postponement, or deferment. At that time, board members will begin reviewing and deciding the outcome of the individual registrant's case. They may personally interview the registrant and persons who know him to gain a better understanding of his situation. A man may appeal a Local Board's decision to a Selective Service District Appeal Board.


They interviewed local draft age people and they were scared by the idea.

[eileen_d]

9. Yikes, that's a scoop

I don't have time to register at that news site (I'm sleepy!) but that would be something else, to put it mildly...

It's generally hard for me to trust local news trailers like that... last night I saw one from our local NBC affiliate with the tagline "SECRET SOCIETY" - it was about Internet file sharers. They interviewed a local teenager who downloads music and videos in silouette, as if he were in the Witness Protection Program or something. Made hime sound like Public Enemy #1. :eyes:

[Robin Hood]

10. I pasted what is on the registered site above.

IT does not say much. But they did say that the DOD had it on their web site but took it down a couple of days ago.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

37. I have an Alt-PrntScrn'd screenshot

I'll be happy to e-mail it to you. Ask to juan.(CUBAN-DICTATOR'S-SURNAME)@zipmail.com.br

Edit: correctly obfuscated e-mail addy.

[corarose]

19. Are they including College Students?

:kick:

[ET Awful]

29. Just walk in . .

sing a few bars of Alice's Restaurant and walk out.

The Alice's Restaurant Anti-Masacree Movement.

[kclown]

34. That's Entire Massacree n/t

[ET Awful]

48. ????

Nope, it's most definitely anti-massacree:

From Arlo's own site:

"And that's what it is , the Alice's Restaurant Anti-Massacre Movement, and
all you got to do to join is sing it the next time it come's around on the guitar."

http://www.arlo.net/lyrics/alices.shtml

[Media_Lies_Daily]

11. If this draft is run the way they are legislating that it will run...

...there will be NO EXEMPTIONS for anyone other than those related to being physically able to serve. That means that kids in college will be eligible for the draft. The draft also be gender-blind, and everyone that is physically able will be liable to the draft within the specified age range.

Now, having said all of that, there will be loopholes that the wealthy will find with very little difficulty. There has been talk of some sort of public service that could be done in lieu of military service, but I bet this organization will call for people with specific skills and college degrees. We will then find ourselves in another Vietnam situation where only the children of the poor- and middle-class will end up being drafted to serve in the military.

I was talking with my Dad the other day about the possibiliy of the draft being revived, and my 83-year-old WWII vet father came right out and stated that it would cause a revolution. Dad also says that what he fought against in WWII is alive and well and posing as our legal government. Not bad for a guy that voted GOP for his entire life until he voted for Gore in 2000.

[eileen_d]

15. That's a great quote from your Dad

what he fought against in WWII is alive and well and posing as our legal government

I can't say I wish for a draft. It would wake people up, but the cost is too high - more fuel for more wars, more dead and wounded on both "sides." I hope it doesn't have to come to that. Bring 'em home.

[Robin Hood]

17. I don't much care about the children of the rich.

It's the middle class that has the voting power, and that is where the draft will make the difference. Good for your dad, Sounds like he is a true Conservative. What we have now is not conservatism.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

25. But thanks to the economoic policies of the Squatter-in-Chief...

...the middle-class is rapidly disappearing while the lower economic spectrum is growing by leaps and bounds. Those in the lower specrums tend to be generally less well-informed about what's being done to them, and most lack the ability to use the Internet to do their own research. Until the poor reach the point where they have access to the information available to those of us in the middle classes, they will always be susceptible to believing what they're being told by the corporate-controlled media. Even a lot of the middle classes tend to ignore the news media because they just don't have the time to deal with it.

You'd almost think the Bushies planned it that way. Oh, wait...

[goobergunch]

31. That's under the Rangel bill

The odds of that passing in its current form are slim to none.

[gate of the sun]

41. what do you mean it will be gender blind?

does that mean they are going to draft females as well? you are basically talking about my 4 older children who will all be of draftable age.....this is very upsetting to me.....I was allready worried about my 2 sons. tell me your not serious about females......where do you get this information from?

[incapsulated]

12. I don't know

A draft would be such political suicide, during an election year no less, I don't think even the Bushishtas would be that stupid.

But, God knows, I've overestimated their collective intelligence before.

[corarose]

14. The rich won't have to worry they will take the poor kids first

They took the poor kids when they drafted them during the Viet Nam War the rich will not have to worry.

[Robin Hood]

22. I thought that the poor kids were already in Iraq.

It's the middle class kids and their parents who will change this mess, only because it will personally affect them.

[corarose]

24. They will take the ones that just turned 18

Let's sit back and watch as freepers go nuts when their large families get called in to fight Jr's oil wars.

[LosinIt]

26. Looks like it's time to start going to Quaker Meetings w/ my 12 yr old son

My 20 yr old son has a pin in his hip, so he is probably safe. My 18 yr old daughter can always make me a Grandma, if needed, and then breastfeed, so that's 9 months plus say 18 more months, then she can have another one. (Just joking, don't jump on me) But, I wonder what the policy is about breastfeeding. Can they make a Mom leave her baby before it is weaned????

[sventvkg]

27. Heres an Idea..Start telling every kid to REFUSE TO GO!!!

I dont' know why no one is saying it..Just refuse to go!!!! It's really really fucking simple..It seems even you all are so brainwashed and indoctrinated into thinking that it will ruin their lives etc etc...oh, they will go to jail etc etc..all rubbish...The will LIVE!!!!!! Screw going to war for facist Pigs....I served and Was an Army Ranger and I'm here to say, I would not serve under this administration and would NEVER serve under any administraion that drafed me into any war other then in defense of hostile aggression against the country...You could be sure I would be first in line to volunteer for service in that case...HERE IT IS AGAIN...TELL EVERY KID DRAFT AGE, TO REFUSE REFUSE REFUSE REFUSE REFUSE TO SERVE....It will be tough for them in the short term and they may even do some time, but when it's all said and done, they will be alive and eventually pardoned...if enough people refuse to serve we may well have a Revolution on our hands!!! I still remember evey Nasty killing technique Good ol Uncle Sam taught me at the Myriad schools and courses I attended in the Army...There are many like me and we could be usefull if needed, against tyranny...Anyway, Flat out tell the kids to REFUSE!!!! tell them to enter FULL REFUSAL MODE!!!!

[mikehiggins]

28. If I voted for Goldwater

they told me, we'd be at war in VietNam within the year. So I did, and we were.

If Bush is reelected, the draft is inevitable. There is no way to mount the kind of aggressive military adventures his administration is pushing without it. Simple arithmetic (you don't even have to get involved with math).

Bush has to be ousted from the White House in 2004.

Otherwise, you can start packing your kid's bags now.

[El Mariachi]

32. PROOF. PROOF PROOF

PROVE that there is an upcoming draft and I will comment.

Even if there WERE a draft, it would take over a year before they start pulling people from the draft lottery.


THINK PEOPLE

THINK.

[Beaker]

33. Draft Board DOES NOT equal draft-

This is about the normal 20-year cycle of replenishing the local draft boards. They've been there all along, and this is just a normal procedure, that just happened to occur at a bad time. A call-up draft is NOT waiting in the wings.

[kclown]

35. Dream on

See Krugman's today. "Every conspiracy theory about this
administration's intentions turns into tomorrow's news."

Proof enough for me.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

39. Link to the Krugster

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/11/opinion/11KRUG.html?pagewanted=print&position=

[scottcsmith]

43. Volunteer for your local draft board

"True Majority" is a group of progressive liberals, founded by Ben Cohen of Ben & Jerry's ice cream. They are encouraging progrssive liberals to volunteer for the draft boards. Here's the text of their latest mailing:

With 136,000 American troops stuck in Iraq and indications that thousands more are on their way, the Bush Administration is laying the groundwork to reinstate the draft. The Pentagon wants to be ready to order young Americans into combat "at the click of a finger," according to a spokesman for the draft.

Here's where you come in: Firing up Draft Boards across America would require the government to recruit local board members to serve on 2,000 local boards across America. You can volunteer to become a member of your local draft board.

If you were a scared teenager in your community confronted with being drafted, who would you want deciding your fate? If Bush brings back the draft, people like you serving on draft boards could make a huge difference to that young person's life.

To apply, click http://action.truemajority.org/ctt.asp?u=369356&l=187

Click here to read more about Bush's plan to staff up Draft Boards:
http://action.truemajority.org/ctt.asp?u=369356&l=188.

[Mountainman]

44. Stop the imperialist wars and we won't need a draft.

There is no reason why we need a draft other than to fight PNAC's wars.

Stop PNAC. Elect a Dem and there will be no need for a draft.

[Robin Hood]

47. That's absolutely right.

It is imperative that we run an anti war candidate for 04'. In a year, America will be ready for a candidate that will make this mess go away. I think that they are ready now.