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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 09:03 AM
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Should Dems use the draft as a wedge issue in 2004?
There are no real college and young adult movements against the war like in Vietnam. Beings there is no draft college students and young adults are not motivated to protest. I guarantee you if the Dems start whispering Bush is going to restart the draft they would get millions of young votes and you would see more war protest.
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Bronco69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 09:05 AM
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1. Agreed!
I've been saying it for months. Start whispering now. Make it an issue!
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 09:06 AM
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2. If AWOL Takes Steps To Reinstate the Draft then he will have millions
of protestors to deal with. It won't have anything to do with what the democrats want. But, to 'whisper' that AWOL is bringing back the draft in order to fool people.. well, that's something Rove would do. Democrats are a higher species.
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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 09:12 AM
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6. wait a minute
Edited on Tue Nov-11-03 09:15 AM by demdem
I read here at DU that this was being considered by Bush. This is no dirty trick. I read a couple of articles talking about starting up draft boards. You dont think they are talking about this for fun do you.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 09:14 AM
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9. Current troop delpoyment levels around the globe cannot be maintained
without a large infusion of more troops. The only way we can sustain our current efforts is via a draft.

Looking at what's happening now, there is a chance that it won't come crashing down prior to the 2004 presidential election, but a draft woill almost certainly have to be reinstated the day after the election is held, and even then there could be dire consequences to our standing forces.
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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 09:07 AM
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3. I already sent
an e-mail to all of my college friends.
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 09:11 AM
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4. That WOULD be the
smart and morally right thing to do. However and unfortunately there are quite a few Democrats pushing this insane idea as well. Another example of one way "bipartisanship" and political suicide. Stupid, stupid, stupid, not to mention immoral to provide innocent and unwilling cannon fodder to the regime's donors. WTF can they possibly be thinking?
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 09:11 AM
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5. College students like Bush
According to a recent CNN poll which I cant find (they did a whole story on it about a week ago), college students are the MOST likely to support Bush. Believe it. It is sad...us Viet Nam era fart recognize what is going on, but the kids they interviewed for the segment were down right frightening.

I think they look to the government as a father figure. They all said some variation on "I think Bush is trying really hard, and we should give him a chance."

Not exactly the stuff of revolution.
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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 09:14 AM
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8. yeah
Is that the poll that had a 6 MOE?
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 09:13 AM
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7. No doubt
...if Dubya is re-selected, there will be a draft.

I went to a county Democratic Board Meeting last week and mentioned the effort to fill Draft Board slots. They didn't know this but they bloody well do now!

I have told my son about it (he's just the right age) and he, in turn, has been telling his friends.

I don't trust Rummy or Dubya at all.
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Timefortruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 09:21 AM
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10. No, and here’s why.
Chimp&Co. will deny, deny, deny that they are even considering a draft during the campaign. They will call any effort by the Democrats’ to bring it up demagoguery because everything is fine. They will reduce the number of troops in Iraq to prove that everything is fine. Then after Chimp is elected they will reevaluate the military needs and have Congress rubber stamp their need for a draft, with lots of rich people loop holes. Not a soul will remember that they lied during the campaign.

There is absolutely no way that they will admit that a draft is in the works, none. We have enough real issues that are solid and we should leave this one alone.
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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 09:32 AM
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12. This from the pentagon
BUZZFLASH

So now that occupation "ifs" have become reality, concerns that the US military is stretched too thin are being voiced regularly. And news that the Pentagon is advertising for personnel to staff draft boards has notched up speculation. "This is significant," Dartmouth presidential scholar and former professor of strategy at the National War College in Washington Ned Lebow said. "What the department of defense is doing is creating the infrastructure to make the draft a viable option should the administration wish to go this route." Meanwhile, the Guardian openly wondered "why the Pentagon decided at this time it was necessary to fill staff bodies which had played no function since the early 1980s."

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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 09:28 AM
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11. You do realize , don't you,
Edited on Tue Nov-11-03 09:28 AM by bowens43
that the people in congress calling for the draft to be re-instated are Democrats?
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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 09:32 AM
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13. So
And some dems voted for the war.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 06:05 PM
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19. the point is
the dems will not use this for a 'wedge issue' when so many of them are for it.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 09:34 AM
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14. Only place I've seen a draft talked about
has been here on DU. I think it's 60's nostalgia.

I did here Charlie Rangel calling for one, but I think that was more to make a point actually wanting one.
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mlawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 06:08 PM
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20. That's right!!! They have totally f----d up!!!
Now, bush has political cover, if he tries to bring the draft back, and the media can and will blame the Dems for it all.

Will this gang EVER learn to shoot straight???? :eyes:
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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 09:36 AM
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15. Unless we can prove
that a draft is in the works, wouldn't that make us lying liars like the Repukes. How, then, would we be any better than them?? also, lies, when found out, do tend to backfire. Look at Bush*'s drop in the polls. We can win this thing without soiling ourselves.
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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 09:53 AM
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16. once again
BUZZFLASH

So now that occupation "ifs" have become reality, concerns that the US military is stretched too thin are being voiced regularly. And news that the Pentagon is advertising for personnel to staff draft boards has notched up speculation. "This is significant," Dartmouth presidential scholar and former professor of strategy at the National War College in Washington Ned Lebow said. "What the department of defense is doing is creating the infrastructure to make the draft a viable option should the administration wish to go this route." Meanwhile, the Guardian openly wondered "why the Pentagon decided at this time it was necessary to fill staff bodies which had played no function since the early 1980s."
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 10:09 AM
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17. Big problem here. We shoot ourselves in foot.
The only legislation calling for a draft has been introduced by DEMOCRATS. And by more liberal Dems at that. Kind of hard to blame Bush v2.0 for it when we are publicly the ones doing it.

How do you tell young people, "Vote Democratic so you won't be drafted." when we are the ones introducing the legislation for the draft.
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 10:16 AM
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18. Another issue is...
The Dems calling for the draft live in la-la land. They think calling for this draft will make the rich Republicans think twice about calling for war, but that suggestion is as ridiculous as any out there. This is a Republican controlled Congress that walks in step with a White House that saw it's leader and many of his friends use deferrments (many of which I would question quite honestly). What makes anyone think that rich people would ever have to serve? The White House could pass a bill instantly that says that people could buy their way out of the draft for so and so dollars before Dems would even get to look at it like most bills out there.

The poor would get fucked hard on this one, which is why the draft is such a horrid idea with Bush and his boys in charge.

Someone needs to do as Al Sharpton says and "Slap the Donkey" on this one.

Rp
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HighNoonMeetUp Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 06:11 PM
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21. Any wedge we can use should be used
If he was elected by crook then he should be removed by hook.
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