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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 03:04 PM
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Dean Rises Again
Edited on Tue Nov-11-03 03:33 PM by slinkerwink
Howard Dean Rises Again
by Ta-Nehisi Coates
November 12 - 18, 2003
http://www.villagevoice.com

Maybe they should have considered Howard Dean's appeal last week to sons of the South as a blueprint for success. A day before the barnstorming presidential contender was all but forced to apologize for saying he wanted the votes of guys driving trucks with Confederate flags, Democrats in Kentucky and Mississippi watched the GOP claim the governors' mansions. The Democratic Party's need to reconnect with Southern white men isn't lost on some of New York City's African American leaders, who argue it should be a natural fit.

"Global-trade schemes are taking their jobs too," says Brooklyn congressman Major Owens. "We get distracted by this Confederate flag nonsense, but I think African Americans in the South would welcome an alliance."

No matter. By Monday, polls were showing Dean had lost three points in the Iowa caucuses, while Richard Gephardt vaulted ahead by picking up six. Whether that can be reversed or whether it stems from the flag debacle at all isn't clear. Nor is it clear how much, if any, damage Dean has done to his rapport with black voters.

In the same week when he appeared on the verge of a collapse worthy of Gary Hart, Dean locked up the endorsements of two major unions, the SEIU and AFSCME. Dean's securing of the SEIU nod was particularly telling because of the union's racially diverse membership's 35 percent of which is black or Latino. Before a final decision on Dean, SEIU's executive board met with the front-runner and put the flag controversy on the table. "He really understands the plight of the community," says African American Tyrone Freeman, president of SEIU 434B (a 112,000-member local in California) and a member of the board.

more to be continued at: http://www.villagevoice.com
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 03:09 PM
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1. It goes to show you ...
... the American People and the Commentariat are not seeing eye-to-eye on some issues.

The issue of "just one slip will sink a ship" is probably one such issue.

It didn't work against Gore. That election had to be stolen. And it won't work against Dean, or Clark, or Kucinich, either.

--bkl
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 03:19 PM
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4. which is why diebold is going to be a huge issue in the general election
mark my words, the nominee is going have to focus on that to make the public aware.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 04:33 PM
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14. btw, a dean supporter asked dean about the voting issue
and dean said that he would definitely address the issue near the end of the primaries.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 03:10 PM
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2. Thanks...but
I think you may have to edit this down to three or four paragraphs (copyright restrictions and all that). ;-)
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 03:12 PM
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3. awww....alright.....
:sigh:
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 03:20 PM
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5. I find this statement troubling
"Dean's securing of the SEIU nod was particularly telling because of the union's racially diverse membership? 5 percent of which is black or Latino."

It was my understanding that Blacks make up 14% of the population and Latinos 18% but at this particular Union combined they are only represented by 5% and the Union is proud of that. Am I misunderstanding something here? Should this Union be proud of only 5% minority membership?
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 03:23 PM
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6. Obviously a typo -- the "?" is a number. 3, 4 or 5 perhaps.
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ryharrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 03:25 PM
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7. That ? mark is probably another number
Probably a typo. This page says 28% black and hispanic - http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/2003/11/07/news/nation/7193401.htm
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 03:31 PM
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8. ooh, didn't see that typo
good you caught that!
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 03:32 PM
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9. SEIU -- 35 percent of which is black or Latino
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0346/coates.php

Dean's securing of the SEIU nod was particularly telling because of the union's racially diverse membership—35 percent of which is black or Latino.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 03:41 PM
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10. Unlike Vermont's 0.5% of 608,827
Black or African American persons - 0.5%

White persons - 96.8%

Population - 608,827

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/50000.html
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 03:55 PM
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11. that has no relation to the 35% minority population in the SEIU
Edited on Tue Nov-11-03 04:00 PM by slinkerwink
It just shows that despite the lack of minorities in Dean's state, that he was able to bridge that by getting the double endorsement of the AFSCME and the SEIU tomorrow.......thanks for showing how Dean can reach out to minorities.

Thanks, Dr.Funkenstein!!!! :nopity:
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 03:58 PM
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12. And that factoid is relevant *how*, exactly?
:eyes:
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 04:25 PM
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13. :vanity kick:
:kick:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 07:05 PM
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15. Yea! Elija Cummings...And Major Owens!...
"Other African American heavies were somewhat more generous. "Governor Dean did the right thing today by expressing regret over his recent comments concerning the Confederate flag. I have always believed that my party must appeal to everyone, and I am confident that my party's eventual nominee will create a coalition that is inclusive and welcomes all Americans," said Elijah Cummings, a Maryland Democratic congressman and chair of the Congressional Black Caucus, on his website.

Even if Dean hasn't won over black voters, neither has he been outpaced by the competition. Owens, one of the first African Americans of note to endorse Dean, points out that none of the other eight candidates have made particularly great inroads in the black community. "He just stirred up a discussion," says Owens. "I don't think he did any long-term damage."



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